lee wrote on Jun 5^th, 2026 at 6:45pm:


Crippple brain lee: Shanghai and Chengdu, visited by me and aquascoot respectively , are free of homless people who receive state accomodation in China.

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Crippled brain lee (brain damage from war duty)?

You wrote (in #779)

"Yes, there is homelessness in Shanghai, but it is often hidden from public view due to government efforts to manage and contain the homeless population. Many homeless individuals are forced out of sight, making it difficult to accurately assess the extent of the issue."

Note how your ideological slant changes "management" (of the homeless)  to "forced out of sight"....In Oz we don't even bother to "force then out of sight" - as can be seen in Sydney's George St.  on any night.


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Actually the state which can inplement common prosperity wins my support: I don't give a s**t about the "freedom to elect"  clowns to govern the nation. 

Be careful, or I will sentence you to endless hearings of parliament 'question time', the ultimate example of government by 'blind leading the blind'....guaranteed to destroy one's sanity while the elected clowns argue over taxation and who should pay lower taxes.    

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Here's an google-AI overview (of the the total internet data):

Whether the re-education camps in Xinjiang are a "success" depends entirely on the metric used. From the Chinese Government's perspective, the camps are viewed as a total success. Beijing officially calls them "vocational skills and educational training centers" designed to combat poverty, separatism, and religious extremism. They claim the campaign eliminated terrorism in the region and successfully integrated Uyghurs into the modern Chinese workforce.

However, from the perspective of human rights organizations and the international community, the camps are widely condemned as a catastrophic failure of basic human rights. Key criticisms include:

Cultural Erasure: Detainees were reportedly subjected to intense political indoctrination, forced to renounce religious beliefs, and forced to learn Mandarin at the expense of their native Uyghur language and culture.

Mass Incarceration: Up to an estimated one million or more Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities were detained without charge or trial, creating widespread trauma and family separation.

Reports of Abuse: Former detainees and human rights investigators have provided harrowing accounts of torture, forced sterilization, and forced labor inside the facilities.

Evolving Repression: While the initial, large-scale internment camps have largely been dismantled or converted into regular prisons and forced-labor factories since the mass detainment peak, the apparatus of surveillance and control remains deeply entrenched.For official documentation on the scale and nature of these camps, you can read the Human Rights Watch Xinjiang reports or the findings on the Australian Strategic Policy Institute tracker.

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I prefer the elimination of terrorism, implemention of soclal order, and elimination of poverty.

'Humans rights' - according to "democracy" ideologues - disregard the social chaos and crime associated with systemic poverty in free markets, and terrorism related to religious extremism. 

Bibi prefers genocide...safe if the religious zealots you are fighting don't have the same miltary power to argue... 

I prefer dispute settlement under auspices of international law.   

Your choice.


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So you support Xinjiang's fundamentalist Uyghurs - some of them terrorists -  just like you support HK's "democracy'" ideologues/"dissidents" ie you support the break-up of the Chinese state.

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I have explained my reasoning, supporting common prosperity and soclial order.

Your brain seized up when  when I pointed to the problems of democratic rule based on (as few as) 50%+1 of self-interested electors.

You get what you deserve.

aquascoot has given an eye-winness account of the differences in outcomes.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2026 at 5:22pm:


As shown by you by walking one street.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2026 at 5:22pm:



You did note that nowhere did I say I had been to Shanghai
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2026 at 1:22pm:


And I did not say there was no homelessness. Why do you continue to lie?


thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2026 at 5:22pm:


You haven't shown anything different. You haven't shown "no homelessness", Even if there are shelters does not mean there is still no homelessness, you do understand that, don't you? We even have homeless shelters in Australia, and still have homelessness.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2026 at 5:22pm:


So "common prosperity" means there is no homelessness?

But we get you "don't care".

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2026 at 5:22pm:


Whoever said that parliament was filled with visionaries?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2026 at 5:22pm:



One man's freedom is another man's terrorist.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2026 at 5:22pm:



And International Law is controlled generally, by the leftists, and is carefully constructed by the woke.thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2026 at 5:22pm:



So now only some of them are terrorists. How did the Chinese decide? And you can't actually comprehend what I wrote.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2026 at 5:22pm:


Ad the CCP. Voting by delegates, nothing but party supporters.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2026 at 5:22pm:


So you are saying the Chinese deserve the CCP. Oh dear.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2026 at 5:45pm:


That's a good point, everyone makes sure they can support themselves, eg, with youth unemployment c. 10%,  you can still buy a quaility, yet cheap electric scooter with a carrier compartment on the back, and go to work delivering something to someone.  China doesn't do 'welfare' ("sit down money"), rather it seeks to eliminate poverty.

A major hindrance to the implementaion of common prosperity is the PBofC's adherence to obsolete Western economic practice  re taxes and debt, forcing the government to tax or borrow ....MMT  is still illegal, though state ownership of strategic industry is the norm ...; China's vast productive capacity means the govt. can issue PUBLIC money for free while managing resource mobilization to avoid inflation /deflation, rather than manipulating interest rates to control inflation.

Some top economists in China are aware of this; hopefully they will gain traction at the highest levels.  (The free market isn't a religion in China as it is in the West, so financial rationality in govt.  might yet prevail in China). 

Xi discovered the limits of free markets when Evergrande blew up a decade ago, Xi now recognizes "houses are for living in, not for investment vehicles".

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Yes - but the official CCP policy of 'common prosperity' needs to apply to average citizens as well.... 

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Yes, but people with average abilities need to prosper as well.

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Yes, I mentioned 'welfare' aka "sit-down money" above. It's a disaster for individual morale, we all need to contribute according to our ability, but the competitive free market alone can't do it without welfare as a 'safety net'. 

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Yes, but Xi needs to avoid insane trade and geopolitical-based wars with the US which is desperate to maintain global hegemony in the face of the socalled "China threat".

China's economists hold the key to China's success ***, given our terrible "kill or be killed" world.***eg Bibi today says "Teheran must burn", despite the fact Trump wants S. Arabia to sign the Abraham accords, which they won't do so long as Israel is occupying the WB....

Xi seems determined to avoid war; the CCP could easily win hearts and minds in Taiwan if per capita GDP on the mainland surpasses, and is more equally shared on the mainland.

Taiwan's capitalist economy is a'one-trick pone' (TSMC); the mainland guided by "socialism with Chinese characteristics" can easiily create the world's most prosperous and least unequal economy on the planet, given China  already has the world's most productive economy - which is what anyone  sees when they visit China.

So - i'll let poor lee fester with his 'democratic' free market delusions, while Oz has the dubious distinction of having the most unaffordable housing in the world....and no support for the homeless....

But you (aquascoot) also need to refine your understanding of 'capitalism' ; it's fine at the individual level (get your  electric scooter and go to work), so long as the state implments common prosperity  (not 'welfare') at the macroeconoic level: 

https://ellenbrown.com/2026/06/01/the-ai-revolution-where-capitalism-meets-socia...

The AI Revolution: Where Capitalism Meets Socialism: The Abundance Paradigm, Part 2

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***(google AI)
China’s youth unemployment remains a critical structural crisis, with urban joblessness for ages 16 to 24 (excluding students) hovering around 16.9%. The crisis is driven by a severe disconnect between millions of university graduates and a sluggish economy struggling with real estate, local government debt, and weak consumer demand.

Geez.... China has a currency-issuing government, they can fund job creation programs at no cost to  taxpayers because China also has productive "overcapicity" ...how dumb can mainstream economists in China be?

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 1:40pm:



Note: since Mao's time, China has developed into the world's 2nd largest economy (first in PPP terms), with the world's best public infrastructure, most advanced space tech after the US, and is now the world's largest trading nation.

Not sure why you are looking backwards to the 1960's when China was among the poorest nations on the planet.....   

"China: Visiting Officials Occupy Homes in Muslim Region

Chinese officials, since early 2018, have imposed regular “home stays” on families in the predominantly Muslim region of Xinjiang, Human Rights Watch said today. These visits are part of the government’s increasingly invasive “Strike Hard” campaign in the region, home to 11 million Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslim minorities.

During these visits, families are required to provide officials with information about their lives and political views, and are subjected to political indoctrination. The Chinese government should immediately end this visitation program, which violates rights to privacy and family life and the cultural rights of ethnic minorities protected under international human rights law, Human Rights Watch said.

“Muslim families across Xinjiang are now literally eating and sleeping under the watchful eye of the state in their own homes,” said Maya Wang, senior China researcher at Human Rights Watch. “The latest drive adds to a whole host of pervasive – and perverse – controls on everyday life in Xinjiang.”

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The cadres perform several functions during their stay. They collect and update information about the families, such as whether they have local hukous – household registration – or are migrants from another region, their political views, and their religion. The visiting cadres observe and report on any “problems” or “unusual situations” – which can range from uncleanliness to alcoholism to the extent of religious beliefs – and act to “rectify” the situation. Cadres also carry out political indoctrination, including promoting “Xi Jinping Thought” and explaining the Chinese Communist Party’s “care” and “selflessness” in its policies toward Xinjiang. They also warn people against the dangers of “pan-Islamism,” “pan-Turkism,” and “pan-Kazakhism” – ideologies or identities that the government finds threatening. The authorities expect all of these to be done through “heart-to-heart” talks about everyday life.

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The cadres meticulously document their activities, including by submitting reports of the homestays with accompanying photos. Some of these photos and videos can be found on the Wechat and Weibo accounts of the participating agencies, which show scenes of cadres living with minority families, including in the most intimate aspects of domestic life, such as cadres and family members making beds and sleeping together, sharing meals, and feeding and tutoring their children. None of these videos or photos are posted by the visited families, and there is no indication that they consented to having them posted online. 

More - https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/05/14/china-visiting-officials-occupy-homes-muslim...

But it is all good. tgd tell us so.

tallowood wrote on Jun 8^th, 2026 at 2:50pm:


No.

Governments will eradicate war and implement common prosperity, because survival of the species depends on it. 

lee wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2026 at 12:37pm:


.....A 'One Nation' CCP?

But yes, Uighurs are benefitting from the rapid industrialization of Xinjiang, including development of advanced infrastructure (eg, HS rail, etc) 

And this:

(Daily Mail)

PM-in-waiting Andy Burnham says no to a second Scottish referendum

....The centre everywhere prefers to maintain the unity of the nation.

And today on the 250th anniversary of the US, Confederate losers are still calling for secession from the US, even though they lost that battle  in the 19th century.   

Losers.