freediver wrote on Mar 5
th, 2024 at 10:03am:
Why are you confused about the value assigned to money?
Quote: "Human rights" - based on belief in "natural individual rights" which don't exist
What if it is based on something other than your strawman?
Now we are getting somewhere: "Rights" based on something other than Classical Liberalism's delusional "natural individual rights" - whether a "strawman" or not, let's read on.
Quote:The whole point of an intersubjective reality....
Now you are separating concept from function; we already know the concept itself - "shared BELIEF" (according to you) - is flawed, so now you want to move on to consider what it's "point" is...ie what you want "shared belief" to achieve.
Quote:....is that it becomes real because of the belief, regardless of what basis that belief has.
There's your error; I insist on an examination of reality itself (as it affects interpersonal relationships), you insist on raising belief to the status of reality and proceeding from there.
I reject that non-rational approach.
Quote:Criticising the basis for the belief does not change the reality that comes from it.
Addressed and refuted above. Reality based on belief is irrational.
Quote:Just like complaining that money is invented "out of thin air" does not change the reality of its value.
I mentioned money because the public has no idea about its nature; the common belief that fiat currencies are bad because they are not based on the gold standard is an example of that flawed thinking/belief.
btw, I'm not complaining about the fact money is
created out of thin air, I'm urging currency-issuing governments to reclaim that money-creation power from private money lenders who currently have the sole right to create money as debt. Currency-issuing governments need to fund themselves, so they are not forced to beg for "taxpayer money".
As for the "value" of fiat money, it comes from the nation's
real resources and productivity of the people. Not illusory.....unlike Bitcoin, a ponzi scheme; be ready for the next collapse in 'value' if you are an investor.
Quote:Would money suddenly become an illusion if people thought it's value came from God,
No; but not seeing the reality would certainly result in flawed economic policy...
Quote:aliens, magic, or clever paperwork? You are criticising your own (deliberate?) misunderstanding of what human rights are, nothing more.
Refuted at the top of this post.