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Michel Rose and John Irish

Updated Feb 27,

Paris -
French President Emmanuel Macron opened the door on Monday (Tuesday AEDT) to European nations sending troops to Ukraine, although he cautioned that there was no consensus at this stage as allies agreed to ramp up efforts to deliver more munitions to Kyiv.

Some 20 European leaders gathered in Paris to send Russian President Vladimir Putin a message of European resolve on Ukraine and counter the Kremlin’s narrative that Russia is bound to win a war now in its third year.

Mr Macron argued that Russia’s defeat was necessary to ensure “Europe’s collective security” and that the meeting in Paris had underscored a new depth of western resolve to help Ukraine.

“Nothing should be excluded. We will do everything needed so Russia cannot win the war,” he told reporters.

Asked if sending western troops to Ukraine was an option, Mr Macron said the matter had been discussed at the conference. “There’s no consensus today to send in an official manner troops on the ground. But in terms of options, nothing can be ruled out,” he added, without providing details on which countries were considering such a step.

A White House official told Reuters that the United States had no plans to send troops to fight in Ukraine and there were also no plans to send NATO troops to fight there.

Mr Macron invited his European counterparts to the Elysee Palace for a hastily arranged meeting to discuss how to ramp up ammunition supplies to Ukraine amid what his advisers say is an escalation in Russian aggression over the past few weeks.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2024 at 4:27pm:



fortunately while the people who run our countries might be stupid they arent this stupid

Bobby. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2024 at 4:41pm:

The Crimean War (1853-1856) was a brutal conflict that took its name from the Crimean Peninsula on the Black Sea. The war, which claimed an estimated 650,000 lives, pitted Britain, France, Turkey and Sardinia against Russia, whose ruler, Czar Nicholas I, was attempting to expand his influence over the Middle East and the eastern Mediterranean at the expense of the declining Ottoman Empire. The British and French, in turn, saw Nicholas’ power grab as a danger to their trade routes, and were determined to stop him.

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Russia’s aggressiveness also made the British nervous about maintaining their trade with Turkey and access to India. Meanwhile, the French, who still remembered Napoleon I’s defeat by the Russians, saw a chance to take revenge. The two countries entered the war on Turkey’s side in late March 1854. With the combined might of their navies and armies—including a 60,000-man force protecting Istanbul, the Turkish capital—they expected to make short work of the Czar’s military.
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With the Austrians threatening to join the war on the allied side, the Russians finally decided they’d had enough. They agreed to end the war, and the Treaty of Paris was signed in March 1856. Russia agreed to give back the territory it had seized, and the Black Sea was demilitarized. But peace had come at an enormous cost, and tensions between the Russians and the Turks continued for decades. The two empires eventually squared off on opposite sides in World War I—an even bloodier conflict that neither Czarist Russia nor the Ottoman Empire survived.
https://www.history.com/topics/european-history/crimean-war

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68410219




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French President Emmanuel Macron has said it is key for Europe's security to defeat Russia in Ukraine, amid urgent pleas for more weapons from Kyiv.

He was speaking in Paris where he said that European leaders had agreed to set up a coalition to give Ukraine medium- and long-range missiles and bombs.

He added that there was "no consensus" on sending Western troops to Ukraine but "nothing should be excluded".

Russian troops made recent gains in Ukraine which faces big arms shortages.

Kyiv is critically dependent on modern armoury supplies from its Western allies, particularly the US, to be able to continue fighting Russia - a much bigger military force with an abundance of artillery ammunition.

But the approval of a much needed $95bn (£75bn) US aid package- including $61bn for Ukraine - faces an uphill battle in the House of Representatives.

Last weekend, Ukraine's defence minister said half of all Western aid for Kyiv had been delayed, costing lives and territory.

A full-scale invasion of Ukraine launched by Russian President Vladimir Putin is now in its third year, with no signs that the biggest war in Europe since World War Two could end soon.

america had a lot of planes shot down over serbia. whenever america has to go up against someone who can competently operate soviet anti air defense weaponry (i.e not saddam hussein's anti-air defense corps) they get a bloody nose every time.

nobody is going to submit troops to ukraine because it would or could trigger a global nuclear catastrophe that would end all life on the planet. that isn't worth risking even if the probability of it occurring was 0.1%. fortunately even the people who run our countries aren't stupid enough not to know this, but scarily enough they are getting there. the existential risk of nuclear war increases every year our ruling classes (reflecting the democratic consensus' that elect them) become increasingly emotional and mentally retarded.

Jasin wrote on Feb 28^th, 2024 at 7:53am:



It looks to me like Tanks have become obsolete due to
advanced anti-tank missiles and drones.

JC Denton wrote on Feb 29^th, 2024 at 6:22pm:



Ukraine should never have fought Russia unless NATO
went in straight away with its troops and equipment.