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Remembering John Pilger
Feb 25th, 2024 at 6:51pm
 
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Reply #1 - Feb 25th, 2024 at 7:09pm
 
A good man and excellent journalist.
They don't make them like him anymore.
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Reply #2 - Feb 27th, 2024 at 7:55pm
 
What about when it shows Gareth Evans saying Pilger's work was sensationalism mixed with sanctimony!

What a stooge he was!
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You try to make Israel out like Nazi Germany,
because you fear that they are not and are better than your Media-induced Fake Politics USA military culture and style (ranked 3rd in WW2 for war atrocities after Nazis and Soviets).
And you expect us to take you seriously?  Huh  Roll Eyes  Grin Grin
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Reply #4 - Feb 28th, 2024 at 9:40pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 7:58pm:
You try to make Israel out like Nazi Germany,
because you fear that they are not and are better than your Media-induced Fake Politics USA military culture and style (ranked 3rd in WW2 for war atrocities after Nazis and Soviets).
And you expect us to take you seriously?


You don't know the real history of Nazism and the Bolsheviks.

But here's a start:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1652250085/233#233

And check out Behind Communism by Frank L.Britton.


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Reply #5 - Feb 28th, 2024 at 11:59pm
 
You're holding onto the past as if it's just going to repeat itself.
I pity those who only get to watch 'repeats'.

Take Australia.
It's the first time Whities will experience the Southern Hemisphere and its not going to be like anything known as Southern Europe and it's 'history', up there in the Northern Hemisphere - that's for sure.

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Reply #6 - Feb 29th, 2024 at 5:44pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 11:59pm:
You're holding onto the past as if it's just going to repeat itself.
I pity those who only get to watch 'repeats'.

Take Australia.
It's the first time Whities will experience the Southern Hemisphere and its not going to be like anything known as Southern Europe and it's 'history', up there in the Northern Hemisphere - that's for sure.



The history of it is important for understanding events in the present.
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Reply #7 - Feb 29th, 2024 at 6:42pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 25th, 2024 at 7:09pm:
A good man and excellent journalist.
They don't make them like him anymore.

Oh, they do. The guy has metastasised.

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Reply #8 - Feb 29th, 2024 at 7:24pm
 
I read where he joined in supporting Russian and Syrian government bombing of civilians, calling opposition to it 'supporting terrorists' (by bombing hospitals and killing staff etc) and an American conspiracy against Syria.... this while giving a speech in Russia...

Adios, muchacho... hasta la vista....
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Reply #9 - Feb 29th, 2024 at 7:30pm
 
Pilgar never really agreed with the USA's 'media' Politics.
He stuck to the British politics as the true politics for the world.
America's politics is a 'selfish' politics and does nothing for the world. Because of America - you have nations like China, Russia, Iran and N.Korea.
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Reply #10 - Feb 29th, 2024 at 9:20pm
 
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The verb ‘to pilgerise’ was invented by Auberon Waugh some decades ago. It means to distort in a tendentious way or to present information in a sensationalist manner to reach a foregone conclusion.

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The only modern Journalist to have a verb named after him.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Mar 1st, 2024 at 9:52am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 29th, 2024 at 9:20pm:
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The verb ‘to pilgerise’ was invented by Auberon Waugh some decades ago. It means to distort in a tendentious way or to present information in a sensationalist manner to reach a foregone conclusion.

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The only modern Journalist to have a verb named after him.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Not one to be proud of. Like the adjective Bbwianesque or adverb Bbwianesquely.

No journalist wants to be accused of pilgerising Bbwianesquely.
Instant professional ruin and lifetime ridicule.
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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Mar 6th, 2024 at 10:57pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 29th, 2024 at 9:20pm:
The verb ‘to pilgerise’ was invented by Auberon Waugh some decades ago. It means to distort in a tendentious way or to present information in a sensationalist manner to reach a foregone conclusion.


So he was plagiarized by Evans.
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Reply #14 - Mar 7th, 2024 at 7:45am
 
waggawoody wrote on Feb 29th, 2024 at 5:44pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 11:59pm:
You're holding onto the past as if it's just going to repeat itself.
I pity those who only get to watch 'repeats'.

Take Australia.
It's the first time Whities will experience the Southern Hemisphere and its not going to be like anything known as Southern Europe and it's 'history', up there in the Northern Hemisphere - that's for sure.



The history of it is important for understanding events in the present.


Learning from history so you don't repeat the mistakes of the past(in the present).

We don't seem to be doing that.
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John Pilger: Why Hillary Clinton Is More Dangerous Than Donald Trump

By John Pilger on March 23, 2016International Affairs

The following is an edited version of an address given by John Pilger at the University of Sydney, entitled ‘A World War Has Begun’.

I have been filming in the Marshall Islands, which lie north of Australia, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Whenever I tell people where I have been, they ask, “Where is that?” If I offer a clue by referring to “Bikini”, they say, “You mean the swimsuit.”

Few seem aware that the bikini swimsuit was named to celebrate the nuclear explosions that destroyed Bikini island. Sixty-six nuclear devices were exploded by the United States in the Marshall Islands between 1946 and 1958 – the equivalent of 1.6 Hiroshima bombs every day for twelve years.

Bikini is silent today, mutated and contaminated. Palm trees grow in a strange grid formation. Nothing moves. There are no birds. The headstones in the old cemetery are alive with radiation. My shoes registered “unsafe” on a Geiger counter.

Standing on the beach, I watched the emerald green of the Pacific fall away into a vast black hole. This was the crater left by the hydrogen bomb they called “Bravo”. The explosion poisoned people and their environment for hundreds of miles, perhaps forever.



On my return journey, I stopped at Honolulu airport and noticed an American magazine called Women’s Health. On the cover was a smiling woman in a bikini swimsuit, and the headline: “You, too, can have a bikini body.” A few days earlier, in the Marshall Islands, I had interviewed women who had very different “bikini bodies”; each had suffered thyroid cancer and other life-threatening cancers.

Unlike the smiling woman in the magazine, all of them were impoverished: the victims and guinea pigs of a rapacious superpower that is today more dangerous than ever.

I relate this experience as a warning and to interrupt a distraction that has consumed so many of us. The founder of modern propaganda, Edward Bernays, described this phenomenon as “the conscious and intelligent manipulation of the habits and opinions” of democratic societies. He called it an “invisible government”.

How many people are aware that a world war has begun? At present, it is a war of propaganda, of lies and distraction, but this can change instantaneously with the first mistaken order, the first missile.



In 2009, President Obama stood before an adoring crowd in the centre of Prague, in the heart of Europe. He pledged himself to make “the world free from nuclear weapons”. People cheered and some cried. A torrent of platitudes flowed from the media. Obama was subsequently awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

It was all fake. He was lying.


The Obama administration has built more nuclear weapons, more nuclear warheads, more nuclear delivery systems, more nuclear factories. Nuclear warhead spending alone rose higher under Obama than under any American president. The cost over thirty years is more than $1 trillion.

A mini nuclear bomb is planned. It is known as the B61 Model 12. There has never been anything like it. General James Cartwright, a former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said, “Going smaller [makes using this nuclear]weapon more thinkable.”

In the last eighteen months, the greatest build-up of military forces since World War Two – led by the United States – is taking place along Russia’s western frontier. Not since Hitler invaded the Soviet Union have foreign troops presented such a demonstrable threat to Russia.

Ukraine – once part of the Soviet Union – has become a CIA theme park. Having orchestrated a coup in Kiev, Washington effectively controls a regime that is next door and hostile to Russia: a regime rotten with Nazis, literally. Prominent parliamentary figures in Ukraine are the political descendants of the notorious OUN and UPA fascists. They openly praise Hitler and call for the persecution and expulsion of the Russian speaking minority.

This is seldom news in the West, or it is inverted to suppress the truth.

In Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia – next door to Russia – the US military is deploying combat troops, tanks, heavy weapons. This extreme provocation of the world’s second nuclear power is met with silence in the West.

What makes the prospect of nuclear war even more dangerous is a parallel campaign against China.

Seldom a day passes when China is not elevated to the status of a “threat”.  According to Admiral Harry Harris, the US Pacific commander, China is “building a great wall of sand in the South China Sea”.

What he is referring to is China building airstrips in the Spratly Islands, which are the subject of a dispute with the Philippines – a dispute without priority until Washington pressured and bribed the government in Manila and the Pentagon launched a propaganda campaign called “freedom of navigation”.

What does this really mean? It means freedom for American warships to patrol and dominate the coastal waters of China. Try to imagine the American reaction if Chinese warships did the same off the coast of California.

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I made a film called The War You Don’t See, in which I interviewed distinguished journalists in America and Britain: reporters such as Dan Rather of CBS, Rageh Omar of the BBC, David Rose of the Observer.

All of them said that had journalists and broadcasters done their job and questioned the propaganda that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction; had the lies of George W. Bush and Tony Blair not been amplified and echoed by journalists, the 2003 invasion of Iraq might not have happened, and hundreds of thousands of men, women and children would be alive today.

The propaganda laying the ground for a war against Russia and/or China is no different in principle. To my knowledge, no journalist in the Western “mainstream” – a Dan Rather equivalent, say – asks why China is building airstrips in the South China Sea.

The answer ought to be glaringly obvious. The United States is encircling China with a network of bases, with ballistic missiles, battle groups, nuclear-armed bombers.

This lethal arc extends from Australia to the islands of the Pacific, the Marianas and the Marshalls and Guam, to the Philippines, Thailand, Okinawa, Korea and across Eurasia to Afghanistan and India. America has hung a noose around the neck of China. This is not news. Silence by media; war by media.

In 2015, in high secrecy, the US and Australia staged the biggest single air-sea military exercise in recent history, known as Talisman Sabre. Its aim was to rehearse an Air-Sea Battle Plan, blocking sea lanes, such as the Straits of Malacca and the Lombok Straits, that cut off China’s access to oil, gas and other vital raw materials from the Middle East and Africa.


In the circus known as the American presidential campaign, Donald Trump is being presented as a lunatic, a fascist. He is certainly odious; but he is also a media hate figure. That alone should arouse our scepticism.

Trump’s views on migration are grotesque, but no more grotesque than those of David Cameron. It is not Trump who is the Great Deporter from the United States, but the Nobel Peace Prize winner, Barack Obama.

According to one prodigious liberal commentator, Trump is “unleashing the dark forces of violence” in the United States. Unleashing them?

This is the country where toddlers shoot their mothers and the police wage a murderous war against black Americans. This is the country that has attacked and sought to overthrow more than 50 governments, many of them democracies, and bombed from Asia to the Middle East, causing the deaths and dispossession of millions of people.

No country can equal this systemic record of violence. Most of America’s wars (almost all of them against defenceless countries) have been launched not by Republican presidents but by liberal Democrats: Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton, Obama.

In 1947, a series of National Security Council directives described the paramount aim of American foreign policy as “a world substantially made over in [America’s] own image”. The ideology was messianic Americanism. We were all Americans. Or else. Heretics would be converted, subverted, bribed, smeared or crushed.

Donald Trump is a symptom of this, but he is also a maverick. He says the invasion of Iraq was a crime; he doesn’t want to go to war with Russia and China. The danger to the rest of us is not Trump, but Hillary Clinton. She is no maverick. She embodies the resilience and violence of a system whose vaunted “exceptionalism” is totalitarian with an occasional liberal face.

As presidential election day draws near, Clinton will be hailed as the first female president, regardless of her crimes and lies – just as Barack Obama was lauded as the first black president and liberals swallowed his nonsense about “hope”. And the drool goes on.


Described by the Guardian columnist Owen Jones as “funny, charming, with a coolness that eludes practically every other politician”, Obama the other day sent drones to slaughter 150 people in Somalia. He kills people usually on Tuesdays, according to the New York Times, when he is handed a list of candidates for death by drone. So cool.

In the 2008 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton threatened to “totally obliterate” Iran with nuclear weapons. As Secretary of State under Obama, she participated in the overthrow of the democratic government of Honduras. Her contribution to the destruction of Libya in 2011 was almost gleeful. When the Libyan leader, Colonel Gaddafi, was publicly sodomised with a knife – a murder made possible by American logistics – Clinton gloated over his death: “We came, we saw, he died.”

One of Clinton’s closest allies is Madeleine Albright, the former Secretary of State, who has attacked young women for not supporting “Hillary”. This is the same Madeleine Albright who infamously celebrated on TV the death of half a million Iraqi children as “worth it”.

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Among Clinton’s biggest backers are the Israel lobby and the arms companies that fuel the violence in the Middle East. She and her husband have received a fortune from Wall Street. And yet, she is about to be ordained the women’s candidate, to see off the evil Trump, the official demon. Her supporters include distinguished feminists: the likes of Gloria Steinem in the US and Anne Summers in Australia.

A generation ago, a post-modern cult now known as “identity politics” stopped many intelligent, liberal-minded people examining the causes and individuals they supported – such as the fakery of Obama and Clinton; such as bogus progressive movements like Syriza in Greece, which betrayed the people of that country and allied with their enemies.

Self-absorption, a kind of “me-ism”, became the new zeitgeist in privileged western societies and signalled the demise of great collective movements against war, social injustice, inequality, racism and sexism.

Today, the long sleep may be over. The young are stirring again. Gradually. The thousands in Britain who supported Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader are part of this awakening – as are those who rallied to support Senator Bernie Sanders.



In Britain last week, Jeremy Corbyn’s closest ally, his shadow treasurer John McDonnell, committed a Labour government to pay off the debts of piratical banks and, in effect, to continue so-called austerity.

In the US, Bernie Sanders has promised to support Clinton if or when she’s nominated. He, too, has voted for America’s use of violence against countries when he thinks it’s “right”. He says Obama has done “a great job”.

In Australia, there is a kind of mortuary politics, in which tedious parliamentary games are played out in the media while refugees and Indigenous people are persecuted and inequality grows, along with the danger of war. The government of Malcolm Turnbull has just announced a so-called defence budget of $195 billion that is a drive to war. There was no debate. Silence.

What has happened to the great tradition of popular direct action, unfettered to parties? Where is the courage, imagination and commitment required to begin the long journey to a better, just and peaceful world? Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?

Where are those who will shatter the silence? Or do we wait until the first nuclear missile is fired?

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Reply #19 - Apr 5th, 2024 at 8:47am
 
"to pilger", defined as: To present information in a sensationalist manner to reach a foregone conclusion.
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Reply #20 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:09pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Apr 5th, 2024 at 8:47am:
"to pilger", defined as: To present information in a sensationalist manner to reach a foregone conclusion.


Anyone who attacks Pilger because of his honest and factual reporting is either stupid, ignorant or a shill for corrupt pollies and their corporate cronies.

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Reply #21 - Apr 17th, 2024 at 11:23pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 25th, 2024 at 7:09pm:
A good man and excellent journalist.
They don't make them like him anymore.


True. I've seen many Pilger docos in my short life. All enlightening, even if I sometimes questioned a few of his conclusions, but that's just me.

On balance, Pilger was right, only if because nobody else was exposing the facts he did.

And they didn't. Nobody else reported them.

So how does a poster who observes such facts support the daylight slaying of a security guard solely because he's a Muslim?

How is this even possible?
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