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So what is truth? Is truth unchanging law?
Feb 16th, 2024 at 9:20am
 
We both have truths. Are mine the same as yours? - Jesus Christ Superstar.

There is likely an unbridgeable chasm between absolute truth and doubt, with a convincing illusion of its apprehension possible by faith.
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Reply #1 - Feb 16th, 2024 at 10:51am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 9:20am:
We both have truths. Are mine the same as yours? - Jesus Christ Superstar.

There is likely an unbridgeable chasm between absolute truth and doubt, with a convincing illusion of its apprehension possible by faith.

Is that true? Or is it a mere illusion?


Mathematical truths are absolute. Not to be confused with moral truths which are, by necessity/definition, contingent.





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Reply #2 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 2:33am
 
Nature is my truth
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Reply #3 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 6:03am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 10:51am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 9:20am:
We both have truths. Are mine the same as yours? - Jesus Christ Superstar.

There is likely an unbridgeable chasm between absolute truth and doubt, with a convincing illusion of its apprehension possible by faith.

Is that true? Or is it a mere illusion?


Mathematical truths are absolute. Not to be confused with moral truths which are, by necessity/definition, contingent.

Mathematical truths are absolute only in that we agree their axioms are, e.g. 'there are no round squares'.

The proposition that morality, like his understanding of mathematics, is predicated on absolute truth drove Plato on a lifelong wild goose chase to define absolute moral truths and absolute definitions of virtue, such as 'What is justice in itself?'.

It led him to have Socrates spout some preposterous utterances such as 'no one does wrong knowingly'.
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Reply #4 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 6:05am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 2:33am:
Nature is my truth

What do you mean by that?

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Reply #5 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 6:10am
 
One axiom was “A line has 180°” but perfectly good and useful (solid geometry etc) mathematics can be built up from a line having more than or less than 180°.

Line > 180° gave rise to solid geometry, the geometry of spheres etc.
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Reply #6 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 6:46am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 10:51am:

Mathematical truths are absolute.

Not to be confused with moral truths which are, by necessity/definition, contingent.



I 'like' that statement.     Wink


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What is truth ?

If i step outside on a sunny day and look up, 1/ the sky looks blue,
and that bright thing which hurts my eyes,
is our star, 2/ we call it 'the sun'.

But because [at that moment in time....on a bright, cloudless day] i can't see any other stars, does that mean [should that be, determinative] that there are no other stars 'up there' ?

.

And 'radio waves' ?

I can't see them, yet your smart phone works.

But 500 years ago, we didn't have machines that could detect radio waves.

And yet, even 500 years ago, forms of radio waves [in 'nature'] still existed.

Today, we humans still cannot see 'invisible' radio waves.

But today, a human being of average intelligence, would never dream of claiming that because we cannot see them, radio waves do not exist.

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Two different human beings, each decide to go on a trek,
they each go searching, and searching, and searching.

And being independently minded, they end up searching in different locales.  [....what caused such a divergence ?]

On their treks, they each have differing experiences, and they each 'find out' new and different things.

In each, a different experience, can cause a different perception, of 'reality'.


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Stay curious.

Always ask questions, even impertinent ones !     Smiley


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And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.


Psalms 119:54
Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage.


To me, this life is a pilgrimage.    ....a journey.


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Reply #7 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 6:59am
 
And then there's:

'I know what colour is but, now that you ask me, I don't'.
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Reply #8 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:08am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 6:03am:

Mathematical truths are absolute only in that we agree their axioms are, e.g. 'there are no round squares'.

The proposition that morality, like his understanding of mathematics, is predicated on absolute truth
drove Plato on a lifelong wild goose chase to define absolute moral truths and absolute definitions of virtue, such as 'What is justice in itself?'.

It led him to have Socrates spout some preposterous utterances such as 'no one does wrong knowingly'.




Morality.     and........'What is justice in itself?'

morality = =
1 principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.
2 the extent to which an action is right or wrong.




MeisterEckhart,

If you have 'stuff'.       [......i'm assuming that like us all, you do too.]

And if i come and take YOUR 'stuff'.     [......i deprive you, of YOUR 'stuff'.]

Is my action a moral action, if you do not want me to take YOUR 'stuff' ?

Or, do you judge it to be an immoral action ?   [.....from your perspective.]



Matthew 7:11
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12  Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.




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Re: So what is truth? Is truth unchanging law?
Reply #9 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:15am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 6:03am:
Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 10:51am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 9:20am:
We both have truths. Are mine the same as yours? - Jesus Christ Superstar.

There is likely an unbridgeable chasm between absolute truth and doubt, with a convincing illusion of its apprehension possible by faith.

Is that true? Or is it a mere illusion?


Mathematical truths are absolute. Not to be confused with moral truths which are, by necessity/definition, contingent.

Mathematical truths are absolute only in that we agree their axioms are, e.g. 'there are no round squares'.




A priori statements, being independent of experience or observation, are not matters for agreement or disagreement.

Only a Bbwian would disagree with an a priori truth. Or greatdivide. Or Smiff.  Our in-house intellectuals. Tsk, tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:20am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:15am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 6:03am:
Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 10:51am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 9:20am:
We both have truths. Are mine the same as yours? - Jesus Christ Superstar.

There is likely an unbridgeable chasm between absolute truth and doubt, with a convincing illusion of its apprehension possible by faith.

Is that true? Or is it a mere illusion?


Mathematical truths are absolute. Not to be confused with moral truths which are, by necessity/definition, contingent.

Mathematical truths are absolute only in that we agree their axioms are, e.g. 'there are no round squares'.




A priori statements, being independent of experience or observation, are not matters for agreement or disagreement.

Only a Bbwian would disagree with an a priori truth. Or greatdivide. Or Smiff.  Our in-house intellectuals. Tsk, tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

When does a right triangle contain more than one 90-degree angle?
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Reply #11 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:22am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:08am:
MeisterEckhart,

If you have 'stuff'.       [......i'm assuming that like us all, you do too.]

And if i come and take YOUR 'stuff'.     [......i deprive you, of YOUR 'stuff'.]

Is my action a moral action, if you do not want me to take YOUR 'stuff' ?

Or, do you judge it to be an immoral action ?   [.....from your perspective.]


What if I stole 'my stuff'?
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Reply #12 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:46am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:20am:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:15am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 6:03am:
Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 10:51am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 9:20am:
We both have truths. Are mine the same as yours? - Jesus Christ Superstar.

There is likely an unbridgeable chasm between absolute truth and doubt, with a convincing illusion of its apprehension possible by faith.

Is that true? Or is it a mere illusion?


Mathematical truths are absolute. Not to be confused with moral truths which are, by necessity/definition, contingent.

Mathematical truths are absolute only in that we agree their axioms are, e.g. 'there are no round squares'.




A priori statements, being independent of experience or observation, are not matters for agreement or disagreement.

Only a Bbwian would disagree with an a priori truth. Or greatdivide. Or Smiff.  Our in-house intellectuals. Tsk, tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

When does a right triangle contain more than one 90-degree angle?

A triangle has 3 angles.
The three angles amount to 180 degrees.
A right angle is 90 degrees.
A triangle cannot have more than one angle of 90 degrees.

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Reply #13 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:48am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:46am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:20am:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:15am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 6:03am:
Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 10:51am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 9:20am:
We both have truths. Are mine the same as yours? - Jesus Christ Superstar.

There is likely an unbridgeable chasm between absolute truth and doubt, with a convincing illusion of its apprehension possible by faith.

Is that true? Or is it a mere illusion?


Mathematical truths are absolute. Not to be confused with moral truths which are, by necessity/definition, contingent.

Mathematical truths are absolute only in that we agree their axioms are, e.g. 'there are no round squares'.




A priori statements, being independent of experience or observation, are not matters for agreement or disagreement.

Only a Bbwian would disagree with an a priori truth. Or greatdivide. Or Smiff.  Our in-house intellectuals. Tsk, tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

When does a right triangle contain more than one 90-degree angle?

A triangle has 3 angles.
The three angles amount to 180 degrees.
A right angle is 90 degrees.
A triangle cannot have more than one angle of 90 degrees.


Unless you draw one on a sphere.
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Reply #14 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:51am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 7:22am:

What if I stole 'my stuff'?



Then that is proof, that there is a lot of A priori immoral circumstance in our human universe.



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