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Feb 5th, 2024 at 7:51am
 
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/drake-passage-rough-sea-scn/index.html


‘Like going to the moon’: The world’s most terrifying ocean crossing


Julia Buckley, CNN
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Updated 3:09 PM EST, Sun February 4, 2024


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It’s the body of water that instils fear and inspires sailors in equal measure. Six hundred miles of open sea, and some of the roughest conditions on the planet – with an equally inhospitable land of snow and ice awaiting you at the end of it.

“The most dreaded bit of ocean on the globe – and rightly so,” Alfred Lansing wrote of explorer Ernest Shackleton’s 1916 voyage across it in a small lifeboat. It is, of course, the Drake Passage, connecting the southern tip of the South American continent with the northernmost point of the Antarctic Peninsula.

Once the preserve of explorers and sea dogs, the Drake is today a daunting challenge for an ever-increasing number of travelers to Antarctica – and not just because it takes up to 48 hours to cross it. For many, being able to boast of surviving the “Drake shake” is part of the attraction of going to the “white continent.”

But what causes those “shakes,” which can see waves topping nearly 50 feet battering the ships? And how do sailors navigate the planet’s wildest waters?

At around 600 miles wide and up to 6,000 meters (nearly four miles) deep, the Drake is objectively a vast body of water. To us, that is. To the planet as a whole, less so.

The Antarctic Peninsula, where tourists visit, isn’t even Antarctica proper. It’s a thinning peninsula, rotating northwards from the vast continent of Antarctica, and reaching towards the southern tip of South America – the two pointing towards each other, a bit like a tectonic version of Michelangelo’s “Creation of Adam” in the Sistine Chapel.

That creates a pinch point effect, with the water being squeezed between the two land masses – the ocean is surging through the gap between the continents.

“It’s the only place in the world where those winds can push all around the globe without hitting land – and land tends to dampen storms,” says oceanographer Alexander Brearley, head of open oceans at the British Antarctic Survey.

Winds tend to blow west to east, he says – and the latitudes of 40 to 60 are notorious for strong winds. Hence their nicknames of the “roaring forties,” “furious fifties” and “screaming sixties” (Antarctica officially starts at 60 degrees).


But winds are slowed by landmass – which is why Atlantic storms tend to smash into Ireland and the UK (as they did, causing havoc, with Storm Isha in January buffeting planes to entirely different countries) and then weaken as they continue east to the European continent.

With no land to slow them down at the Drake’s latitude anywhere on the planet, winds can hurtle around the globe, gathering pace – and smashing into ships.
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Reply #1 - Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:00am
 
https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2007/09/20/2038604.htm


Published 20 September 2007

The Roaring Forties bring wild winds, wet weather and
cold temperatures to Tasmania and southern Australia.


The bane of sailors since Cook first circumnavigated Antarctica, these mighty winds influence everything from delicate native rainforest rodents to parrots and penguins.

By Heather Catchpole



Tasmania, smack bang in the path of the roaring forties.


If you've spent time on the west coast of Tasmania you'll know that the prevailing wind is westerly. And how. Stretching from latitudes 40-44 degrees South, Tasmania lies smack bang in the path of the roaring forties - westerly winds that rip around the Earth in latitudes between 40 and 50 degrees.

While similar wind patterns exist in the northern hemisphere, the lack of land in the south means there's little to stop or slow these gusty winds as they complete their circumpolar race.

"Because Tasmania dangles down from Australia it's more exposed to the westerlies. All of southern Australia experiences them, but more often than not Tasmania is within those westerlies," says Ian Barnes-Keoghan from the Bureau of Meteorology's Tasmania and Antarctica Regional Office.
When hot air meets a spinning Earth

Global wind currents like the roaring forties are influenced by the Earth's shape and spin, and by basic thermodynamics: hot air rises.

In the southern hemisphere, warm air rises at the equator and moves south, while cooler air moves north to replace it. You might expect that this elevated warm air would continue to travel straight to the South Pole, where having cooled it would sink. But our atmosphere is too thin and the distance too great to sustain a single convection cell like that. Instead, the warm air that rises south of the equator sinks again at around 30 degrees south - (think Coffs Harbour in the east and Kalgoorlie in the west). From here the air travels along the surface of the Earth until latitude 60 south, after which it rises again as it moves towards Antarctica. In simple terms, it's like a double figure 8 conveyor belt of air stretching from the Equator to the South Pole.

But if convection were the only factor affecting the movement of air we wouldn't have global wind systems like the roaring forties or trade winds. At the same time as this air is moving from the Earth's surface up into the atmosphere and back down again, the spin of the Earth forces air that's moving south along the surface (in particular the air between latitudes 30 and 60) to slide below overlying air. This creates a flow of air from west to east - the westerly roaring forties.

The great speed of the roaring forties is produced because of the relative change in rotational speed of the land at the Earth's surface. Because it's a sphere spinning on its axis, the surface of the Earth is traveling at different speeds depending on latitude. The equator - with a circumference of 40,000km - zips around the Earth at speeds of about 1500 km/hr, while Coffs Harbour is only moving through space at 260 km/hr. So as air moves from the equator to the South Pole, it does so over land that is rotating more slowly. To someone on land, this air has sped up, making these westerly winds seem furious in their speed and constancy.

While the roaring forties influence the entire island of Tasmania and southern parts of South Australia, Western Australia and Victoria, it's the mountainous western half of Tassie that feels the full brunt of the winds. Gusts of up to 200 km/hr - as fierce as a strong cyclone - have been measured.

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Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:21am
 
Think of all that radiation going with it from the nuclear wars.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #3 - Feb 5th, 2024 at 2:25pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:21am:
Think of all that radiation going with it from the nuclear wars.



The radioactive fallout from nuclear tests is everywhere on the planet -
even in the ice of Antarctica.



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Reply #4 - Feb 5th, 2024 at 3:45pm
 
Those Roaring Winds will spread Radiation far and wide around the planet to microwave and fry people out in the open.
To contaminate the soils to feed the mutations.

When-ever the Winds and Rains come, people will have to hide deep below like Termites.
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Reply #5 - Feb 5th, 2024 at 3:59pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 3:45pm:
Those Roaring Winds will spread Radiation far and wide around the planet to microwave and fry people out in the open.
To contaminate the soils to feed the mutations.

When-ever the Winds and Rains come, people will have to hide deep below like Termites.



I think most of that nuclear waste has dissipated and been diluted by now
but even a nanogram can cause cancer when ingested.

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Reply #6 - Feb 5th, 2024 at 4:05pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 3:59pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 3:45pm:
Those Roaring Winds will spread Radiation far and wide around the planet to microwave and fry people out in the open.
To contaminate the soils to feed the mutations.

When-ever the Winds and Rains come, people will have to hide deep below like Termites.



I think most of that nuclear waste has dissipated and been diluted by now
but even a nanogram can cause cancer when ingested.



Not even remotely close in the Chernobyl or Fukishima areas. Any dissipation of radiation has been just 'transferred' across the terrains via natural means.
Animal around Chernobyl have been 'burnt black' so to speak due to radiation. Black Frogs, Black Dogs, Black Catfish - everything being burnt Black. And they're the lucky ones.
There has been no 'decline' of Radiation. Takes more than just a Media's generation or two to hope they can sweep it under the rug - a possible future so hopelessly lost.
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Reply #7 - Feb 5th, 2024 at 4:23pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
Not even remotely close in the Chernobyl or Fukishima areas. Any dissipation of radiation has been just 'transferred' across the terrains via natural means.
Animal around Chernobyl have been 'burnt black' so to speak due to radiation. Black Frogs, Black Dogs, Black Catfish - everything being burnt Black. And they're the lucky ones.
There has been no 'decline' of Radiation. Takes more than just a Media's generation or two to hope they can sweep it under the rug - a possible future so hopelessly lost.



This topic is more about living in the roaring 40s or sailing on a ship in the roaring 40s.
There is someone on this forum who lives at 43 degrees South.
It must be windy and cold in winter there.
It would be great right now in summer though.


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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2024 at 5:41am
 
https://www.weatherwatch.co.nz/content/why-is-nz-so-windy-we-explain-the-roaring...


Why is NZ so windy? We explain the Roaring Forties!


2/02/2024


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Which brings us to the “The Roaring Forties”.

This is the belt of wind at latitude 40 (south to latitude 50) over the Southern Ocean that sailors centuries ago named. Unlike the northern hemisphere, which has a lot of land at this latitude, the Southern Hemisphere in the 40s is mostly ocean with just tips of land –
like Tasmania, New Zealand’s South Island and the very southern portion of South America the only areas that briefly jut out into this area. With a lack of land to slow things down the wind whips up across the sea, fuelled by storms these strong winds swirl around Antarctica quickly.


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Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2024 at 7:41pm
 
Is my dog too cold?


How cold is too cold for a walk? Here’s how to tell

Published: May 31, 2022



If your dog has a single coat, you might need to think a bit more carefully about the cold.
Breeds in this category include maltese, cavaliers, greyhounds, whippets, and staffies.

Letting your dog choose

In Australia, a cold day is generally easier to manage for dogs than a hot day.

So yes, you could have an Italian greyhound as a pet in southern Tasmania, as long as you add layers when needed and maybe accept they are going to sleep in bed with you under the covers.

I like to let dogs choose, as much as possible, what they need to manage their core temperature.

For example, you might provide a bed with a cover, or extra bedding and blankets on a cold day, so they can use what they need and move away from it when they have warmed up enough.

Once I put a jacket on my dog, she is unable to take it off herself, so I am relying on being able to tell somehow that she doesn’t want it on anymore.
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Shame Australia isn't further south.
Would be a lot greener and fertile.
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Reply #11 - Feb 6th, 2024 at 9:01pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 6th, 2024 at 8:46pm:
Shame Australia isn't further south.
Would be a lot greener and fertile.



We waste most of the rain water that hits the tropics here.
It just goes out to sea.

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UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 10th, 2024 at 5:23pm:
My point was that even though my region is closer to the Equator than the Arctic Circle, those cold winds from the south during the winter is quite chilling. No amount of mountain ranges will shelter us from a cold breeze coming from the south. In fact, the air coming off the mountains would likely make it a few degrees colder than the air that makes its way through the valley. In the summertime during hot weather, the westerly breeze is mitigated by the mountain ranges that keep the hot days slightly cooler.



Yes - it's a lot colder in Tasmania.

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Reply #13 - Feb 12th, 2024 at 7:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 2:25pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:21am:
Think of all that radiation going with it from the nuclear wars.



The radioactive fallout from nuclear tests is everywhere on the planet -
even in the ice of Antarctica.


Radioactive fallout is dangerous for the first few days after detonation. It is still bad a week after detonation. It is safe in the region about a month later. Radiation may well make it to the Antarctic from test sites like Mururoa Atoll. But the significance would be mild and barely something that stays around.
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Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2024 at 8:06pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2024 at 6:04pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 10th, 2024 at 5:23pm:
My point was that even though my region is closer to the Equator than the Arctic Circle, those cold winds from the south during the winter is quite chilling. No amount of mountain ranges will shelter us from a cold breeze coming from the south. In fact, the air coming off the mountains would likely make it a few degrees colder than the air that makes its way through the valley. In the summertime during hot weather, the westerly breeze is mitigated by the mountain ranges that keep the hot days slightly cooler.



Yes - it's a lot colder in Tasmania.


Shid-eh? So, a place 15 to 20 degrees south of my location is colder? Bobby, the other day, I pointed out that the temperature of Melbourne and Hobart are basically similar. The only time Melbourne is considerably hotter than Hobart is during those rare heatwaves blowing wind in from the desert. With the exception of that, you see similar cool weather for about 9 months of the year.

My region is slightly sheltered from the heat and the cold by mountain ranges either well west of my town, or the Athelstane Ranges. Monk claims that the tablelands is enough to shelter his place from cold weather. Meanwhile, you don't have that shelter from cold weather. It, on average, is colder in Hobart than in Melbourne. But, I have seen weather observations from Melbourne stating freezing temperatures there much more than I hear about Hobart.
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