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Jovial Monk Moderator Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Plimer confused? Jan 17^th, 2024 at 9:36pm Plimer worked in igneous and metamorphic rocks, now is a climate scientist? Someone pointed out. . .confusions. . .in Plimer’s book. https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/Geoscientist/Letters/2012/Ian-Plimer-confused-on-fund...
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60422 Gender:	Re: Plimer confused? Reply #1 - Jan 17^th, 2024 at 9:46pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 17^th, 2024 at 9:36pm: Plimer worked in igneous and metamorphic rocks, now is a climate scientist? Someone pointed out. . .confusions. . .in Plimer’s book. https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/Geoscientist/Letters/2012/Ian-Plimer-confused-on-fund... Did you post, that juvenile wanker?
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Jovial Monk Moderator Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Plimer confused? Reply #2 - Jan 17^th, 2024 at 10:00pm Hello Sore End, I am not a member of the British Geological Society so, nope.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60422 Gender:	Re: Plimer confused? Reply #3 - Jan 17^th, 2024 at 10:10pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 17^th, 2024 at 10:00pm: Hello Sore End, I am not a member of the British Geological Society so, nope. So who posted that drivel after your own heart, juvenile?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21502 Gender:	Re: Plimer confused? Reply #4 - Jan 17^th, 2024 at 10:27pm Sorry got carried away. Can’t resist denying AGW, can you? Never mind, accept you posted in error.
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Re: Plimer confused?
Reply #5 - Jan 17^th, 2024 at 10:35pm

Frank wrote on Jan 17^th, 2024 at 10:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 17^th, 2024 at 10:00pm:

Hello Sore End, I am not a member of the British Geological Society so, nope.

So who posted that drivel after your own heart, juvenile?

How about discussing the letter?

Plimer gets lots of things about climate wrong, as the letter suggests.

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Reply #6 - Jan 17^th, 2024 at 11:55pm

Plimer seems not to have the vaguest scientific notions
of what causes global warming, or CO₂ emissions or their
sequestration.

Plimer says scientists have never proved that human
emissions of carbon dioxide drive global warming.

Proof does not exist in science but experts say the evidence
puts the theory beyond any reasonable doubt.

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/geologist-misleads-with-climate-change-proof-cl...

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/professor-double-counts-with-claim-australia-is...

Plimer likes to argue that his position on global warming
is dismissed by mainstream scientists because they are
part of a "fundamentalist religion" and a "mafia". In fact,
his arguments are rejected because they're just plain wrong.

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Reply #7 - Jan 18^th, 2024 at 12:26am

Yup, if he was a stratigrapher or palaeontologist you could accept more of what he is talking about. He worked in igneous and metamorphic rocks/provinces like the Broken Hill lead/silver/zinc mines.

All this crap about CO2 is only 421ppm how could it do anything—N2, O2 and Ar do not absorb IR, CO2, water vapor, CH4, O3 etc do absorb IR.

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Re: Plimer confused?
Reply #8 - Jan 18^th, 2024 at 8:26am

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 17^th, 2024 at 11:55pm:

Plimer seems not to have the vaguest scientific notions
of what causes global warming, or CO₂ emissions or their
sequestration.

Plimer says scientists have never proved that human
emissions of carbon dioxide drive global warming.

Proof does not exist in science but experts say the evidence
puts the theory beyond any reasonable doubt.

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/geologist-misleads-with-climate-change-proof-cl...

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/professor-double-counts-with-claim-australia-is...

Plimer likes to argue that his position on global warming
is dismissed by mainstream scientists because they are
part of a "fundamentalist religion" and a "mafia". In fact,
his arguments are rejected because they're just plain wrong.

Laughable. Science is not a court case. Reasonable doubt is irrelevant and citing it is very misleading.

Falsifiability and repeatable experimentation are the key to scientific theories.
Having only one planet in one solar system, experimentation is not possible. Only modeling is. Modeling, by its nature, is always incomplete. Sceptics, like Plimer, provide 'falsification' of the modelling by pointing out that the modelings are deficient as they do not explain past climate changes for which there is evidence, and therefore the models are not reliable for the predictions for present and future climate changes.

To say that an emeritus professor of geology "seems not to have the vaguest scientific notions of what causes global warming" is Bbwianesquely conceited, Guff. The hyperbole unmoors you every time. Ridiculous.

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Reply #9 - Jan 18^th, 2024 at 9:02am

We know:

1. The Earth revolves around the sun which warms it.

2. The surface of the Earth emits IR which would cool the surface.atmosphere/oceans when it reaches space

3. We know (since the 1850s FFS!) that CO2, CH4 and water vapor absorb IR.

4.1. After absorbing a photon of IR the GHG molecule is more energetic—e.g. the two O atoms in the CO2 molecule vibrate around the carbon atom.

4.2. The energised CO2 molecule collides with a N2, O2 or Ar molecule and transfers its energy to that molecule—more kinetic energy = more heat.

—This is quantum mechanics: you will need to invalidate that science to overturn the AGW theory

6. Because of this absorption/collision the lower part of the atmosphere, the troposphere warms and the upper layer, the stratosphere cools. The top of the stratosphere is where GHG molecules finally emit IR to space. See the IR spectrum top of atmosphere:

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Jovial Monk Moderator Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Plimer confused? Reply #10 - Jan 18^th, 2024 at 9:04am Having an atmosphere makes a difference—the atmosphere absorbs some and reflects (aerosols, clouds) some sunlight back to space. Look at the diurnal temperature swings on the moon and on Earth.
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Jovial Monk Moderator Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Plimer confused? Reply #11 - Jan 18^th, 2024 at 9:05am Bush/wildfires will grow fiercer and burn more often. The West Antarctic Ice Sheet is having its ice shelves—its brakes—melted as the Southern Ocean warms more quickly than the other ocean basins.
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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 6025 Victoria Gender:	Re: Plimer confused? Reply #12 - Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 4:25am To claim that a geologist has suitable qualifications in order to talk about climatology is the equivalent of saying that nurse educator "Dr" John Campbell is sufficiently qualified in order to talk about the COVID pandemic and its vaccines. Both step way out of their technical knowledge zones.
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