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Reply #1 - Jan 4th, 2024 at 8:53pm
 
It's the SSN purchase that's getting all the publicity but AUKUS is much more than that. It's an unprecedented sharing of knowledge and resources that has made some of the more militant and expansionist states take notice, which is where much of the criticism of this treaty originates from.
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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2024 at 11:29am:

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I recently had the chance to ask a very expensive bit of AI gear some simple questions and the replies were so far off the mark as to be worrying.
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It has been rumored that New Zealand defence minister is meeting her Australian counterpart on Thursday and reports are New Zealand will formally request to join Pillar 2 of AUKUS. Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1st, 2024 at 5:13pm:
It has been rumored that New Zealand defence minister is meeting her Australian counterpart on Thursday and reports are New Zealand will formally request to join Pillar 2 of AUKUS. Roll Eyes


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" According to the bureaucratic language of the AUKUS announcement, the purpose of Pillar Two is to “enhance our joint capabilities and interoperability.” Yet the scope of the original agreement was massive, covering “cyber capabilities, artificial intelligence, quantum technologies, and additional undersea capabilities.” A few months later, four more areas were added to these “advanced capabilities:” hypersonic and counter-hypersonic capabilities, EW, innovation, and information sharing.”

So, once again, the Kiwis want to buy into every one elses’ research and development at the smallest cost.   AUKUS is the primary platform for the development, acquisition, operation, maintenance and disposal of Australia’s nuclear submarine capability.   We are led to believe that may lead to a common UK, AUS,US boat.  NZ will most probably never allow nuclear submarines in it’s territorial waters, let alone acquire them.  They wangled themselves into "5 eyes” now they want to play with the big boys for the lowest cost possible.    

Please say “NO” would be my message to our Defence Minister.  We cannot afford NZ out of our budgets
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Reply #10 - Feb 1st, 2024 at 8:16pm
 
Vic wrote on Feb 1st, 2024 at 5:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1st, 2024 at 5:13pm:
It has been rumored that New Zealand defence minister is meeting her Australian counterpart on Thursday and reports are New Zealand will formally request to join Pillar 2 of AUKUS. Roll Eyes


This is a short description of P2

" According to the bureaucratic language of the AUKUS announcement, the purpose of Pillar Two is to “enhance our joint capabilities and interoperability.” Yet the scope of the original agreement was massive, covering “cyber capabilities, artificial intelligence, quantum technologies, and additional undersea capabilities.” A few months later, four more areas were added to these “advanced capabilities:” hypersonic and counter-hypersonic capabilities, EW, innovation, and information sharing.”

So, once again, the Kiwis want to buy into every one elses’ research and development at the smallest cost.   AUKUS is the primary platform for the development, acquisition, operation, maintenance and disposal of Australia’s nuclear submarine capability.   We are led to believe that may lead to a common UK, AUS,US boat.  NZ will most probably never allow nuclear submarines in it’s territorial waters, let alone acquire them.  They wangled themselves into "5 eyes” now they want to play with the big boys for the lowest cost possible.    

Please say “NO” would be my message to our Defence Minister.  We cannot afford NZ out of our budgets


Exactly, and given the Kiwis way too cosy relationship with the PRC they should be kept well out of AUKUS and any other significant  military cooperation.
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Not a good idea. New Zealand has little to contribute technically and the anti nuclear agenda and relationship with the PRC makes them too great a risk.
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Reply #16 - Feb 20th, 2024 at 8:33pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2024 at 8:25pm:


Yeah, like the bonds of matrimony or a politician’s oath of allegiance.
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Reply #19 - Mar 13th, 2024 at 7:33pm
 
US sub decision sparks concerns for AUKUS

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Virginia-class submarines supposed to be delivered this year are running more than 30 months late.



Former PM Malcolm Turnbull has warned Australia may never get the nuclear submarines it was promised under AUKUS, after a drastic funding decision in the US.   Sad

Under the AUKUS agreement, the US will sell Australia at least three, and possibly five, second-hand Virginia-class subs in the early 2030s – the first by 2032.


But production of one submarine has been cut from the proposed US defence budget for 2025, sparking concerns for Canberra’s planned acquisition.

Turnbull said Australia was completely dependent on Washington to acquire the sub and US would always back its own navy if there was a shortage in production.

“The reality is the Americans are not going to make their submarine deficit worse than it is already by giving or selling submarines to Australia, and the AUKUS legislation actually sets that up,” he told ABC radio on Wednesday.

“We are bobbing along as a cork in the maelstrom of American politics.

“The reality is, unless the Americans are able to dramatically change the pace at which they’re producing submarines – and there’s no reason to believe they will be able to do so – we will not ever get the submarines that were promised.”

US defence under-secretary comptroller and chief financial officer Michael McCord said Virginia-class submarines meant to be delivered this year in America were running an average of more than 30 months late.

There are still more than a dozen subs ordered and in production.

The US reportedly must lift its submarine production to two a year by 2028 to even meet its own needs.



To allow for sales to Australia, it needs an annual build rate of 2.33. But its for the past decade has been just 1.3 subs a year.

Former senator, and one-time submariner, Rex Patrick took aim at the AUKUS arrangements on Wednesday.

“We’re pouring $4.7 billion into US shipyards to get the US sub production rate from 1.4 subs per annum to 2.3. If, after we’ve handed over our money, they only hit 2 boats per annum, the US fulfil their sub needs and we get NO subs at all,” he wrote on X.

“Even if the 2.3 target is hit, the President can renege if transferring the subs is not ‘consistent with US foreign policy and national security interest’. Those ‘Humpty Dumpty’ words can mean just what the President choses them to mean; nothing more, nothing less.”   Sad

President Joe Biden’s budget request for 2025 also includes US$11 billion ($16.7 billion) for additional investment over the next five years for the domestic submarine industry.

“We’ve already had some beginnings of submarine industrial base investments … It was a priority in last year’s budget, which, again, we don’t have that money yet, so that’s a problem,” McCord said.

Australia will also contribute $3 billion to the US submarine industry to help increase production rates.   Sad

McCord said spending money to prop up the industry rather than spending it on another submarine was a smarter investment, as the US pushed to boost its production rate to two submarines a year.

“We thought that going a different direction was our best move in that,” he said.

But Defence Minister Richard Marles said that despite the financial decisions, Australia, Britain and the US remained committed to the AUKUS pact under which the subs would be delivered.

“All three AUKUS partners are working at pace to integrate our industrial bases and to realise this historic initiative between our countries,” he said.

Rank and file Labor members have come out against the AUKUS agreement, questioning why Australia would send billions of dollars to prop up the US production line.   Sad

Labor Against War branded the US budget cut to the Virginia-class a “potential lethal blow to AUKUS”.
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Australia will also contribute $3 billion to the US submarine industry to help increase production rates.   Sad   Where is the money coming from?.   Sad   
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Australia is joining the free money handouts to US industry.

Australia should buy Chinese submarines. They can deliver at about 20% of the price of US products.

Australia will never get US subs. It might get to name a sub which has several Australian sailors under  the command of a US officer.
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 3:07pm:


I think this bit says it all..."Instead, the government has called for public spending cuts across all departments, including 7.5 percent from the New Zealand Ministry of Defence and 6.5 percent from the NZDF."

As mentioned in previous comments NZ is looking for defence handouts while contributing very little. Given their ties with China they are an unreliable ally and I doubt the UK and especially the US would look favourably on them joining. We have precedent for this with the ANZUS issue. We do not want NZ causing problems for us again.
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We are already a de facto member given our our 'global partner' relationship with NATO. This new SOFA is probably because there will be increasing numbers of UK personnel posted here, many with their families.
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No he can't. Trump is a vindictive bastard and Rudd's ill thought out remarks when Trump was running previously and none of the 'progressives' thought he had a chance, have come back to bite him.   He needs to be replaced with someone who can work with Trump, if it comes to that, getting what we want while stroking his ego.
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Belgarion wrote on Mar 25th, 2024 at 3:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24th, 2024 at 12:55pm:


No he can't. Trump is a vindictive bastard and Rudd's ill thought out remarks when Trump was running previously and none of the 'progressives' thought he had a chance, have come back to bite him.   He needs to be replaced with someone who can work with Trump, if it comes to that, getting what we want while stroking his ego.


Trump may have to pull his head in.  Australia employs and controls Rudd, not el Presidente, despite what Trump may believe.  He can declare Rudd persona non grata but he cannot physically sack him. If Rudd apologises, Trump will need to be satisfied with that.  If he makes life difficult, we can make his life just as difficult if we wish.  Our alliance is greater than the ego of one man. Roll Eyes
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No kidding! Shocked Well aren't these journos on the ball! The PRC threat is the reason for the formation of AUKUS in the first place, and the inclusion of Japan would be a welcome addition. New Zealand on the other hand, we can well do without.
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I think the caption of the photo accompanying the article tells us all we need to know about the subject matter knowledge of the authors.   Roll Eyes
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An excellent idea. Japan can being a lot of useful stuff to the party. I believe Canada is also making noises about joining as a tier II member.
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An excellent idea. Japan can being a lot of useful stuff to the party. I believe Canada is also making noises about joining as a tier II member.


Thing is, Japan, just like New Zealand has anti-nuclear clauses in it's constitution and legislation.  So what makes Japan more suitable than New Zealand for membership?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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An excellent idea. Japan can being a lot of useful stuff to the party. I believe Canada is also making noises about joining as a tier II member.


Thing is, Japan, just like New Zealand has anti-nuclear clauses in it's constitution and legislation.  So what makes Japan more suitable than New Zealand for membership?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Japan has bans on nuclear weapons, however it can bring other technology to the table. New Zealand would bring nothing except an expectation of hand outs and a too close relationship with the PRC.
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Indeed. In spite of all the politics and naysaying, the project is moving quietly along.
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I have just returned from a visit to WA, where I was able to get a brief tour of HMAS Stirling. The amount of new construction happening surpasses anything I saw back in the 90s when I made my last visit. Our guide would not confirm or deny that all of this was mostly to do with AUKUS but it's not hard to join the dots.. Cool
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I have just returned from a visit to WA, where I was able to get a brief tour of HMAS Stirling. The amount of new construction happening surpasses anything I saw back in the 90s when I made my last visit. Our guide would not confirm or deny that all of this was mostly to do with AUKUS but it's not hard to join the dots.. Cool


That is to be expected, we now afterall. playing with the big kids in their playground now.   Cool
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With Japan and South Korea wanting to join AUKUS, and New Zealand considering parts of AUKUS membership, how long before Indonesia, the Philippines and parts of Southeast Asia apply to join making AUKUS the NATO of the Pacific?
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Interesting question.  Indonesia has long preferred a non-aligned stance.  The Philippines less so.  Malaysia prefers to remain uncommitted at this time. PNG?  No idea.  It is a mixed bag of nations and while most see the PRC as a threat, not that many view it quite that alarming.  SEATO was a similar mixed bag and was seen as primarily as means to suppress Independence Movements in SE Asia.
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That door is well and truly closed and bolted. The French subs are perhaps a better bet than the American or UK ones but they will still need to be nuclear.
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That door is well and truly closed and bolted. The French subs are perhaps a better bet than the American or UK ones but they will still need to be nuclear.


OIC. I thought tho that diesel-electric subs were quieter than nuclear ones? Or is range a problem or has everything sub changed to nuclear? I am not really well, or at all really, read up on subs incl our nuke subs deal.
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That door is well and truly closed and bolted. The French subs are perhaps a better bet than the American or UK ones but they will still need to be nuclear.


OIC. I thought tho that diesel-electric subs were quieter than nuclear ones? Or is range a problem or has everything sub changed to nuclear? I am not really well, or at all really, read up on subs incl our nuke subs deal.


Range is the main problem.  No one builds conventional subs with long enough range.  The COLLINS class were unique and unusual.  The only reason why the Swedes got the contract was because they bent over backwards for us to make their subs suitable for what we basically wanted.  The Germans failed to make the cut off date for the contract and had too short a range.  The Yanks are imposing all sorts of conditions on us.  The British less so.
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I visited HMAS Stirling last April for the first time since about 1996. The changes in that time were incredible, as was the development in the surrounding Rockingham area. Henderson will have alarge part to play in the future.  (Mind you, HMAS Stirling was planed from the outset as a support base for nuclear submarines) 
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I can't see Trump, for all his erratic decision making, doing anything to stop AUKUS. This is a long term alliance and was worked out by  pragmatic people who will have factored in changes of government in all three countries.   
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Middle son works for Penten, software, electronic warfare team. Been working for them pretty much since they started.

https://www.penten.com/applied-ai/trapradio/

https://amiosec.com/aukus-ew-innovation-challenge-win/
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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2025 at 9:36pm:


Middle son works for Penten, software, electronic warfare team. Been working for them pretty much since they started.

https://www.penten.com/applied-ai/trapradio/

https://amiosec.com/aukus-ew-innovation-challenge-win/


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Most Australians have very little grasp of military matters and are understandably confused, especially when ideological opponents like Turnbull and Keating continue to peddle their misinformation.  There are certainly concerns about some of the detail but overall AUKUS is the best way forward for Australia military security. 
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Indeed, the people who first put it together ensured that AUKUS has a life of its own independent of any political changes in the three participating countries.
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During a press conference at the Oval Office on Thursday, the US president was asked whether he intended to discuss the AUKUS alliance in his meeting with visiting British Prime Minister Keir Starmer.

"What does that mean?" Mr Trump responded, seemingly puzzled by the reference.

"AUKUS — the Australia-US defence alliance," the reporter explained.

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From your link

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Under an alternative proposed in the paper, the US would not sell any submarines to Australia; instead, it would sail its own submarines, under US command, out of Australian bases.

“Up to eight additional Virginia-class SSNs would be built and, instead of three to five of them being sold to Australia, these additional boats would instead be retained in US navy service and operated out of Australia along with the five US and UK submarines that are already planned to be operated out of Australia.”

The paper argued that Australia, rather than spending money to buy, build and sail its own nuclear-powered submarines, would instead invest that money in other military capabilities – long-range missiles, drones, or bombers




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It’s with trepidation I agree now.

The money wasted on the failed French deal should be put under greater scrutiny.
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The money wasted on the failed French deal should be put under greater scrutiny.


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Australia faces a “colossal surrender of sovereignty” if promised US nuclear-powered submarines do not arrive under Australian control, former foreign affairs minister Bob Carr has said, arguing the US is “utterly not a reliable ally” to Australia.

“It’s inevitable we’re not getting them,” Carr told the Guardian, ahead of the release of a report from Australians for War Powers Reform that argues the multibillion-dollar Aukus deal had been imposed upon Australia without sufficient public or parliamentary scrutiny.

“The evidence is mounting that we’re not going to get Virginia-class subs from the United States,” Carr said, “for the simple reason they’re not building enough for their own needs and will not, in the early 2030s, be peeling off subs from their own navy to sell to us.”

Under “pillar one” of the planned Aukus arrangement, it is proposed the US would sell Australia between three and five of its Virginia-class nuclear-powered submarines in the early 2030s before the Aukus-class submarines were built, first in the UK, then in Australia.


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Former foreign minister says it is ‘inevitable’ US won’t supply nuclear-powered submarines under Aukus.

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Indeed, the people who first put it together ensured that AUKUS has a life of its own independent of any political changes in the three participating countries.

And if all three changes?
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Another great article by Peter Briggs.  It is a real travesty that he . has apparently fallen out with the Submarine “Think Tank” in Defence,  as his views quite often don’t fit with the required narrative.  He was an excellent CO in my past life and earned a reputation as a fiercely competitive Skipper and not afraid to anger our alliance members by taking photos of the propellors and underwater fittings and fixtures on their state of the art maritime capability.

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We certainly need a new submarine class now, not in 10 or 20 years time. Apart from filling the capability gap, it will get the shipyards back in the construction groove and provide platforms to increase the number of trained submariners. All this is required before we acquire SSNs.
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We certainly need a new submarine class now, not in 10 or 20 years time. Apart from filling the capability gap, it will get the shipyards back in the construction groove and provide platforms to increase the number of trained submariners. All this is required before we acquire SSNs.

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More anti AUKUS gloom and doom. While the media and politicians spout rubbish, things are moving quietly along in the background with the minimum of fuss and bother.
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Going to put the pressure up?

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