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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59082 Gender:	The paradox of atheism. Jan 1^st, 2024 at 10:24am Atheists present natural selection as the truth about life - but then say that of course we should defy it by acting humanely, compassionately, in accordance with our moral code rooted in Christianity. Christian morality, humanism, religions defying natural selection - are they the result of natural selection?
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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41859 Gender:	Re: The paradox of atheism. Reply #1 - Jan 1^st, 2024 at 5:40pm Perhaps societies have learnt through trial and error that life is much better if run ethically. Perhaps overall compassion on the weaker members of society is beneficial for all in the long term. This is aside from whatever any belief systems says or not
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Re: The paradox of atheism.
Reply #3 - Jan 9^th, 2024 at 6:46pm

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2024 at 10:24am:

Atheists present natural selection as the truth about life - but then say that of course we should defy it by acting humanely, compassionately, in accordance with our moral code rooted in Christianity.

Christian morality, humanism, religions defying natural selection - are they the result of natural selection?

Two things are obvious from your comments Frank...

Firstly you don't actually know what atheism is,
and/or how an atheist—like me—defines it.

You also don't understand the term "natural selection".

Natural selection is a simple mechanism that causes
populations of living things to change over time. In
fact, it's so simple that it can be broken down into five
basic steps: variation, inheritance, selection, time and
adaptation.

It has nothing to do with human morals and/or ethics,
and unequivocally nothing to do with any religious cult.

Consider Leviticus 20:13 before claiming what moral edicts
atheists take from the Abrahamic bible. Hint—we don't
take any. The bible is simply a work of fantasy fiction,
rooted [sic] in superstition, myths, fear, ignorance, and
oppression.

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both
of them have done what is detestable. They must be put
to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

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Re: The paradox of atheism.
Reply #4 - Jan 12^th, 2024 at 10:24am

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 9^th, 2024 at 6:46pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2024 at 10:24am:

Atheists present natural selection as the truth about life - but then say that of course we should defy it by acting humanely, compassionately, in accordance with our moral code rooted in Christianity.

Christian morality, humanism, religions defying natural selection - are they the result of natural selection?

Two things are obvious from your comments Frank...

Firstly you don't actually know what atheism is,
and/or how an atheist—like me—defines it.

You also don't understand the term "natural selection".

Natural selection is a simple mechanism that causes
populations of living things to change over time. In
fact, it's so simple that it can be broken down into five
basic steps: variation, inheritance, selection, time and
adaptation.

It has nothing to do with human morals and/or ethics,
and unequivocally nothing to do with any religious cult.

Consider Leviticus 20:13 before claiming what moral edicts
atheists take from the Abrahamic bible. Hint—we don't
take any. The bible is simply a work of fantasy fiction,
rooted [sic] in superstition, myths, fear, ignorance, and
oppression.

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both
of them have done what is detestable. They must be put
to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

So is religion a result of natural selection, too?? Must be.

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Re: The paradox of atheism.
Reply #5 - Apr 21^st, 2026 at 10:24am

Atheist Missionary Wonders If You Have A Few Minutes To Talk About Nothing

PORTLAND, OR — Local residents were greeted Saturday morning by an atheist missionary who politely asked if they had a few moments to talk about nothing.

The missionary, Brent Miller, was part of a new outreach program dedicated to spreading the "Good News" that there is actually no news, no plan, and definitely no God.

"Excuse me, sir," Miller said to a man mowing his lawn. "If you were to die tonight, are you certain that you would simply cease to exist and be forgotten by a cold, indifferent universe? Do you have the peace that comes from knowing your life is a statistical accident?"

According to Miller, his mission was to provide "hope-crushing clarity" to those burdened by the belief in an afterlife. He carried a bag filled with pamphlets titled Why Your Suffering is Random and The Comfort of Eternal Non-Existence.

"Most people are living in fear that their actions have ultimate meaning," Miller explained while wiping sweat from his brow. "I'm here to tell them they can relax. Whether you're a saint or a serial killer, you're both headed for the same blackness of nothing at the end of your life. Isn't that inspiring?"

At publishing time, Miller was seen being chased off a porch after trying to comfort a grieving widow by explaining that her late husband was currently nothing more than a highly inefficient fertilizer.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 8386 Gender:	Re: The paradox of atheism. Reply #6 - Apr 21^st, 2026 at 11:10am Atheism is just another religion based on certain set of believes.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153920 Gender:	Re: The paradox of atheism. Reply #7 - Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:02pm tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 11:10am: Atheism is just another religion based on certain set of believes. It's quite literally the exact opposite
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 8386 Gender:	Re: The paradox of atheism. Reply #8 - Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:11pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:02pm: tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 11:10am: Atheism is just another religion based on certain set of believes. It's quite literally the exact opposite Two sides of the same coin.
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Re: The paradox of atheism.
Reply #9 - Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:14pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:02pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 11:10am:

Atheism is just another religion based on certain set of believes.

It's quite literally the exact opposite Roll Eyes

Two sides of the same coin.

Again, quite literally the exact opposite.

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Reply #10 - Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:14pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:02pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 11:10am:

Atheism is just another religion based on certain set of believes.

It's quite literally the exact opposite Roll Eyes

Two sides of the same coin.

Again, quite literally the exact opposite.

In the 'horseshoe theory' kind of way.

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Reply #11 - Apr 21^st, 2026 at 8:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:02pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 11:10am:

Atheism is just another religion based on certain set of believes.

It's quite literally the exact opposite Roll Eyes

Atheism is a set of ideas that is the exact opposite of a set of unspecified ideas.

And creepy liar gweggy stinker 'thinks' he has said something meaningful. Cheesy

Ludicrous. Stupid creeps are always ludicrous.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153920 Gender:	Re: The paradox of atheism. Reply #12 - Apr 21^st, 2026 at 8:19pm Frank wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 8:00pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:02pm: tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 11:10am: Atheism is just another religion based on certain set of believes. It's quite literally the exact opposite Atheism is a set of ideas ... No, it isn't.
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Re: The paradox of atheism.
Reply #13 - Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 1:14pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:14pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 12:02pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 11:10am:

Atheism is just another religion based on certain set of believes.

It's quite literally the exact opposite Roll Eyes

Two sides of the same coin.

Again, quite literally the exact opposite.

In the 'horseshoe theory' kind of way.

Or as the two sides of the same coin.

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Reply #14 - Apr 23^rd, 2026 at 10:48am

10 Powerful Stories From People Who Converted To Atheism

Greg Hanson, 29, unemployed: "I really like sinning. God doesn't like sinning. So I thought, 'What if there wasn't a God?' Checkmate, Christians."

Karl Linsenberger, 32, influencer: "My DoorDash driver forgot to deliver my fries. A 'god' who is both all-loving and all-powerful cannot exist."

Chad Quarrel, 27, Subway sandwich artist: "One time I started punching old ladies in church and they asked me to stop. Christians are the worst."

Kim Jong Un, 43, public servant: "How did you get in here? Guards, seize him!"

Ruby Concepción, 24, activist: "I wanted to be able to kill babies."

Tim, unknown age & occupation: "Have you seen the Kansas City Royals play baseball? There is no God."

Paul Johnson, 67, Warhammer 40K enthusiast: "I carefully observed the intricate design and majesty of creation and concluded it was all an accident."

Murderin' Steve, 29, murderer: "I wanted to murder people, and then I realized if God is real, I might get in trouble for that. So there is no God. Thanks for asking, man - it feels good to be seen. Everyone always asks, 'Where is Murderin' Steve; we have to catch him and prevent him from murderin' again. No one ever asks, 'How is Murderin' Steve?'"

Chancel Boutrain, 35, trombonist: "When I was a kid, I asked my parents for a Playstation 2, and they got me a Sega Saturn. That was the very moment I realized there could not be a good God out there."

Oliver Monare, 13, unemployed: "I was converted to atheism after seeing this online meme calling God a "fairy sky daddy". Ha, memes. Six-seven!"

Wow. Incredibly moving stuff. What is your personal testimony about converting to atheism? Let us know in the comments below.

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Reply #15 - May 7^th, 2026 at 9:18am

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2024 at 10:24am:

Atheists present natural selection as the truth about life - but then say that of course we should defy it by acting humanely, compassionately, in accordance with our moral code rooted in Christianity.

Christian morality, humanism, religions defying natural selection - are they the result of natural selection?

Not all atheists say that. The biggest atheist movement in history - communism - said submit or die. They killed a few hundred million people.

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Reply #16 - May 7^th, 2026 at 9:49am

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2026 at 9:18am:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2024 at 10:24am:

Atheists present natural selection as the truth about life - but then say that of course we should defy it by acting humanely, compassionately, in accordance with our moral code rooted in Christianity.

Christian morality, humanism, religions defying natural selection - are they the result of natural selection?

Not all atheists say that. The biggest atheist movement in history - communism - said submit or die. They killed a few hundred million people.

Stalin based his rule on the hierarchy of the Gregorian Christian Orthodox order... He originally considered becoming a Gregorian Orthodox priest. Between the ages of 15 and 20, he attended the Tbilisi Theological Seminary.

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Reply #17 - May 7^th, 2026 at 11:32am

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2026 at 9:18am:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2024 at 10:24am:

Atheists present natural selection as the truth about life - but then say that of course we should defy it by acting humanely, compassionately, in accordance with our moral code rooted in Christianity.

Christian morality, humanism, religions defying natural selection - are they the result of natural selection?

Not all atheists say that. The biggest atheist movement in history - communism - said submit or die. They killed a few hundred million people.

They were selecting for the New Man, Communist man.
They wanted to accelerate netural selection in service of an ideal. Another ideological eugenics.
ANd people quickly adapted to the new environment: they betrayed and dobbed in each other.

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Reply #18 - May 7^th, 2026 at 11:34am

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2024 at 10:24am:

Atheists present natural selection as the truth about life - but then say that of course we should defy it by acting humanely, compassionately, in accordance with our moral code rooted in Christianity.

Christian morality, humanism, religions defying natural selection - are they the result of natural selection?

Most christians acknowledge natural selection.

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accordance with our moral code rooted in Christianity.

This is mostly expressed as religon not christianity, you obviously modified this due to your limitations. Imagine if you had to associate your view to include Islam or Buddism?

Also, morality in no way associates to religion or Christianity. All of the original religious text is barbaric and well diverse from morality including the Christian versions. Morality clearly existed long before religion.

If you look at the groups like the Christian Nationalists, you find a group a long way away from morality and Christianity. Many christian groups loudly expouse morality while seldom practising it.

How do you line up Nationalist religion with a religion born in the middle east with stories of a black man from that national region? Yes, there really is a whole religious segment that somehow align this with White American nationalism or Brazilian Nationalism or German nationalism?

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Reply #19 - May 7^th, 2026 at 11:47am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 7^th, 2026 at 9:49am:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2026 at 9:18am:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2024 at 10:24am:

Atheists present natural selection as the truth about life - but then say that of course we should defy it by acting humanely, compassionately, in accordance with our moral code rooted in Christianity.
Christian morality, humanism, religions defying natural selection - are they the result of natural selection?

Not all atheists say that. The biggest atheist movement in history - communism - said submit or die. They killed a few hundred million people.

Stalin based his rule on the hierarchy of the Gregorian Christian Orthodox order... He originally considered becoming a Gregorian Orthodox priest. Between the ages of 15 and 20, he attended the Tbilisi Theological Seminary.

It was Jugashvili family tradition, especially his mother hopes rather then Josef's consideration.
Josef's natural inclination was Robin Goodian and Marx's "expropriate the expropriators" provided him with good excuse and sacked him into commie ideology, the rest, including his atheism, was matter of political logic.

BTW, while you are on this trek check out Mao's religious background.

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