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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11127 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #60 - Dec 30^th, 2023 at 8:11pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 7:10pm: That happens in Austria. 60 for women, and 65 for men. Thanks Greg.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61919 Here Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #61 - Dec 30^th, 2023 at 8:37pm Wonder if he had the payment go into a super account or something like that ? It should then be invisible to centrelink with only a small reporting footprint.
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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #62 - Dec 30^th, 2023 at 8:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 7:03pm:

About 5 or 10 years back I was reading about a country (I believe it was somewhere like Denmark but I'm not sure) where once you reached pension age you received a letter from the government and/or their Centrelink 'equivalent' congratulating you on reaching pension age and informing you that your pension payments will commence on whatever the date was when you became eligible.

I assume they must already have your bank account details on their records so they can commence payments (they probably have it from their Tax Department or whatever they call it over there).

No 18 page, 60 question forms to fill in like Australia.

No questions about assets such as ancient $2 chairs or $14 dodgy Aldi toasters. Grin

Nothing but getting the age pension when eligible and not having any 'hoops' to jump through just to get it.

Sounds like Heaven. Cool

That happens in Austria.

60 for women, and 65 for men.

Now 67 for both and forms that are close to impossible to fill out.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21115 Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #63 - Dec 30^th, 2023 at 8:42pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:54pm: They knew about it on the day I filled out the forms, but they said there was no need to declare it. So the apparatchiks employees don't know the legislation.
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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #64 - Dec 30^th, 2023 at 8:45pm

As i pointed out in post #17

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Income test

Your income can reduce how much Age Pension we pay you. We use the pension income test to assess Age Pension.

Income

Assessable income can also be:
winnings you get by chance that are paid to you over time

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/income?context=22526

$5K a month for 12 months puts you over income limit.

Monthly payments are considered income.

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5520 Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #65 - Dec 30^th, 2023 at 9:45pm just buy a house with it like a good parasite then the winnings will be exempted from the pension asset test
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21115 Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #66 - Dec 30^th, 2023 at 9:48pm JC Denton wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 9:45pm: just buy a house with it like a good parasite then the winnings will be exempted from the pension asset test Only if it is your first house.
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5520 Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #67 - Dec 30^th, 2023 at 10:05pm U would know hey?
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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #68 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 5:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

lee wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 5:20pm:

Answered above Dufus. Roll Eyes

Which section on the official form that applicants must sign asks for disclosure of cash?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give me the number.

I did a.pdf search for cash and it's not mentioned as cash on hand.

That's strange as they ask every other possible question.

That's right.

The official form does not ask how much cash they have.

I've filled in about half a dozen of those forms for my parents, so I know.

I filled one out in a Centrelink office recently (when my father passed away) and the Centrelink officer told me that I only needed to declare what money my mother had in banks, super, etc.

So, once again, aquascoot is full of sh!t.

your logic is incorrect

"its not on the form so i'm in the clear "

if my son the electrician is filling in his tax return , he cant say

"well there was no column for cashies , so i'm in the clear to not declare cashies"

if they want to know about the value of your motorcyle, they want to know about cash under the mattress.

if you think you are correct, give us your name and tax file number and centrelink identifier and go do a stat dec and we will send it into the investigation unit and get a ruling on your behalf.

no

you wont

you realise you are committing a crime but your moral superiority wont let you admit it.

you are a leaner and a parasite, recieving tax payer money you are not entitiled to Cry

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #69 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 6:22am

Hard to show one's resilience on a mere fifteen large a month... whatever ...tax free ... look at all the poor, struggling politicians missing out on family etc for around twenty five large a month...

In all future elections I know how I'll be voting - NONE of the parties and a carefully sifted selection of the rest....

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #70 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:13am

lee wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:54pm:

They knew about it on the day I filled out the forms, but they said there was no need to declare it.

So the apparatchiks employees don't know the legislation. Grin

Which section on the form asks for cash to be declared?

Just give us the number.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #71 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:24am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:49am:

your logic is incorrect

"its not on the form so i'm in the clear "

His logic is absolutely correct.

And obviously you don't have a lot of dealings with government departments (Federal and State) because if you did then you should know that the #1 rule in dealing with them is "never draw unnecessary attention to yourself by giving them information they don't ask for".

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if my son the electrician is filling in his tax return , he cant say

"well there was no column for cashies , so i'm in the clear to not declare cashies"

lol... well, yes he can. And, if he made his own column to declare "cashies" I'm pretty sure he'd be the only one in Australia who did that (as well as being an idiot).

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if they want to know about the value of your motorcyle, they want to know about cash under the mattress.

Maybe they do? Who knows? But, if there isn't a section on the form where you need to add it then it isn't going to be added (unless you're an idiot like "your son the electrician" and add it yourself).

And even then... being a government department which always plays exactly by their 'rules' (as they all do) Centrelink would probably just ignore it anyway. Or have a good laugh just before they ignore it ("Hehe... have a look at what this idiot's put on the form"). Grin

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if you think you are correct, give us your name and tax file number and centrelink identifier and go do a stat dec and we will send it into the investigation unit and get a ruling on your behalf.

lol... yes, I'm sure you would. And, also I'm sure Greg or any other member here would be more than happy to provide personal information like that for you to do it. Roll Eyes

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no

you wont

you realise you are committing a crime but your moral superiority wont let you admit it.

Again... what crime is he or anyone else committing by not declaring something that Centrelink is not asking you to declare?

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you are a leaner and a parasite, recieving tax payer money you are not entitiled to Cry

Why is he or anyone else being a "leaner and a parasite" and not entitled to the money if Centrelink's form is filled in correctly and truthfully and they determine that you are entitled to it?

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #72 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:36am What degree of naivete would be required to imagine that welfare agencies, tax agencies and police departments would not be interested in the activities of those hoarding large sums of cash?
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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #73 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:37am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 8:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 7:03pm:

About 5 or 10 years back I was reading about a country (I believe it was somewhere like Denmark but I'm not sure) where once you reached pension age you received a letter from the government and/or their Centrelink 'equivalent' congratulating you on reaching pension age and informing you that your pension payments will commence on whatever the date was when you became eligible.

I assume they must already have your bank account details on their records so they can commence payments (they probably have it from their Tax Department or whatever they call it over there).

No 18 page, 60 question forms to fill in like Australia.

No questions about assets such as ancient $2 chairs or $14 dodgy Aldi toasters. Grin

Nothing but getting the age pension when eligible and not having any 'hoops' to jump through just to get it.

Sounds like Heaven. Cool

That happens in Austria.

60 for women, and 65 for men.

Now 67 for both and forms that are close to impossible to fill out.

yes - that's deliberate so that some people give up.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #74 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:38am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:36am:

What degree of naivete would be required to imagine that welfare agencies, tax agencies and police departments would not be interested in the activities of those hoarding large sums of cash?

Which section on the form asks for cash to be declared?

Just give us the number.

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