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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #240 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

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Assets - 36

What is your estimate of the current market value of your
(and/or your partner’s) household contents and personal
effects?

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Help sheet for assets
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Cash on hand

Cash on hand is an asset.

Posters have been trying to tell Greggy that all day. Roll Eyes

I've been telling you this all day:

"Cash on hand

"Enter the amount of cash you have on hand. This does not include money in your bank accounts or cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills. Enter the amount in whole dollars without any cents. For example, an amount of $100.25 can be entered as $100"

How long will it take to sink in?

If grandpa needs $200,000 cash under his mattress to pay for his day-to-day expenses of hookers & blow, or to pay his outstanding bar tab, he does not need to declare it to Centrelink.

They specifically state this:

"This does not include money in your bank accounts or cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills."

completely wrong.

if grandpa has 200,000 dollars, that affects his pension

stop lying

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #241 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:26pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:28pm:

Report what you idiot? That they paid cash? Cash is still legal in this country you dumbarse. If you rang the ato to report someone using cash they'd probably investigate you for mental illness

Paying in cash is not illegal, (even if banks and governments are doing what they can to deter and disrupt cash transactions).

However, the receiving of cash for goods and services, where the transaction details are not recorded or declared, is tax evasion.

Great, prove it's not recorded. The tax office doesn't care how you get paid or how you record it. They just care that you pay your tax on it.

Well, that's the thing. If you don't record it, (including not issuing a receipt), did the transaction occur?

Doing a cashie, (or under the table), as you know, is code for providing goods and services for which no invoice or receipt will be issued, usually in exchange for splitting the difference in tax overheads.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #242 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:26pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

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Assets - 36

What is your estimate of the current market value of your
(and/or your partner’s) household contents and personal
effects?

Quote:

Help sheet for assets
Help For Income and Assets
Make a claim help index
Banks, building societies or credit unions
Cash on hand

Cash on hand is an asset.

Posters have been trying to tell Greggy that all day. Roll Eyes

I've been telling you this all day:

"Cash on hand

"Enter the amount of cash you have on hand. This does not include money in your bank accounts or cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills. Enter the amount in whole dollars without any cents. For example, an amount of $100.25 can be entered as $100"

How long will it take to sink in?

If grandpa needs $200,000 cash under his mattress to pay for his day-to-day expenses of hookers & blow, or to pay his outstanding bar tab, he does not need to declare it to Centrelink.

They specifically state this:

"This does not include money in your bank accounts or cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills."

completely wrong.

if grandpa has 200,000 dollars, that affects his pension

Not if it's cash.

"This does not include ... cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills."

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #243 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

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Assets - 36

What is your estimate of the current market value of your
(and/or your partner’s) household contents and personal
effects?

Quote:

Help sheet for assets
Help For Income and Assets
Make a claim help index
Banks, building societies or credit unions
Cash on hand

Cash on hand is an asset.

Posters have been trying to tell Greggy that all day. Roll Eyes

I've been telling you this all day:

"Cash on hand

"Enter the amount of cash you have on hand. This does not include money in your bank accounts or cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills. Enter the amount in whole dollars without any cents. For example, an amount of $100.25 can be entered as $100"

How long will it take to sink in?

If grandpa needs $200,000 cash under his mattress to pay for his day-to-day expenses of hookers & blow, or to pay his outstanding bar tab, he does not need to declare it to Centrelink.

They specifically state this:

"This does not include money in your bank accounts or cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills."

completely wrong.

if grandpa has 200,000 dollars, that affects his pension

Not if it's cash.

"This does not include ... cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills."

No-one holds 200k for day to day expenses. It's day to day not year on year or decade on decade.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #245 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:31pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:26pm:

Not if it's cash.

"This does not include ... cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills."

No-one holds 200k for day to day expenses. It's day to day not year on year or decade on decade.

Should Greggy give himself up? Undecided

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #246 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:32pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:28pm:

Report what you idiot? That they paid cash? Cash is still legal in this country you dumbarse. If you rang the ato to report someone using cash they'd probably investigate you for mental illness

Paying in cash is not illegal, (even if banks and governments are doing what they can to deter and disrupt cash transactions).

However, the receiving of cash for goods and services, where the transaction details are not recorded or declared, is tax evasion.

Great, prove it's not recorded. The tax office doesn't care how you get paid or how you record it. They just care that you pay your tax on it.

Well, that's the thing. If you don't record it, (including not issuing a receipt), did the transaction occur?

Doing a cashie, (or under the table), as you know, is code for providing goods and services for which no invoice or receipt will be issued, usually in exchange for splitting the difference in tax overheads.

Doing a job and getting paid in cash doesn't mean it was undeclared. Horseboy was trying to say that everyone gnads paid cash for services rendered (prior post), would be on some ato watch list. Horseboy doesn't know what he's talking about .

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #247 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:34pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

Quote:

Assets - 36

What is your estimate of the current market value of your
(and/or your partner’s) household contents and personal
effects?

Quote:

Help sheet for assets
Help For Income and Assets
Make a claim help index
Banks, building societies or credit unions
Cash on hand

Cash on hand is an asset.

Posters have been trying to tell Greggy that all day. Roll Eyes

I've been telling you this all day:

"Cash on hand

"Enter the amount of cash you have on hand. This does not include money in your bank accounts or cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills. Enter the amount in whole dollars without any cents. For example, an amount of $100.25 can be entered as $100"

How long will it take to sink in?

If grandpa needs $200,000 cash under his mattress to pay for his day-to-day expenses of hookers & blow, or to pay his outstanding bar tab, he does not need to declare it to Centrelink.

They specifically state this:

"This does not include money in your bank accounts or cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills."

completely wrong.

if grandpa has 200,000 dollars, that affects his pension

Not if it's cash.

"This does not include ... cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills."

No-one holds 200k for day to day expenses. It's day to day not year on year or decade on decade.

Excuse me?

Are you saying day to day means just enough for literally two days?

Where are you getting this from - the Centrelink form?

Pensioners will need money for their day to day expenses for the rest of their lives (16 years, on average).

Where on any government website or form does it stipulate that day to day is limited to a week, a month, a year, or a decade?

Show me the link, and I'll concede defeat.

day-to-day: "happening regularly every day".

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #248 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:34pm Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:29pm: No-one holds 200k for day to day expenses. It's day to day not year on year or decade on decade. I'd like to see this play out in court. Someone suing the state over the withholding of pension because it turned out they had $200K in cash buried in the backyard!
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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #249 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:37pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:29pm:

No-one holds 200k for day to day expenses. It's day to day not year on year or decade on decade.

I'd like to see this play out in court.

Someone suing the state over the withholding of pension because it turned out they had $200K in cash buried in the backyard!

They'd be sure to win with Gregg as their representation. Roll Eyes

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #250 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:37pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:28pm:

Report what you idiot? That they paid cash? Cash is still legal in this country you dumbarse. If you rang the ato to report someone using cash they'd probably investigate you for mental illness

Paying in cash is not illegal, (even if banks and governments are doing what they can to deter and disrupt cash transactions).

However, the receiving of cash for goods and services, where the transaction details are not recorded or declared, is tax evasion.

Great, prove it's not recorded. The tax office doesn't care how you get paid or how you record it. They just care that you pay your tax on it.

Well, that's the thing. If you don't record it, (including not issuing a receipt), did the transaction occur?

Doing a cashie, (or under the table), as you know, is code for providing goods and services for which no invoice or receipt will be issued, usually in exchange for splitting the difference in tax overheads.

Doing a job and getting paid in cash doesn't mean it was undeclared. Horseboy was trying to say that everyone gnads paid cash for services rendered (prior post), would be on some ato watch list. Horseboy doesn't know what he's talking about .

go away stupid

you said the ato dont care how you record it.

BS

pecca says you can have 200 k cash on hand and get centrelink benefits without declaring it

BS

try your BS somewhere else

the ATO would have you both for breakfast and no one should listen to you (on tax or any thing else for that matter)

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #251 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:37pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:34pm: Excuse me? Are you saying day to day means just enough for literally two days? Where are you getting this from - the Centrelink form? It means whatever Centrelink determines it means, or what a court determines a 'reasonable person' would think it means.
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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #252 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:38pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:29pm:

No-one holds 200k for day to day expenses. It's day to day not year on year or decade on decade.

I'd like to see this play out in court.

Someone suing the state over the withholding of pension because it turned out they had $200K in cash buried in the backyard!

yeah pablo escobar got the pension Roll Eyes

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #253 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

Quote:

Assets - 36

What is your estimate of the current market value of your
(and/or your partner’s) household contents and personal
effects?

Quote:

Help sheet for assets
Help For Income and Assets
Make a claim help index
Banks, building societies or credit unions
Cash on hand

Cash on hand is an asset.

Posters have been trying to tell Greggy that all day. Roll Eyes

I've been telling you this all day:

"Cash on hand

"Enter the amount of cash you have on hand. This does not include money in your bank accounts or cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills. Enter the amount in whole dollars without any cents. For example, an amount of $100.25 can be entered as $100"

How long will it take to sink in?

If grandpa needs $200,000 cash under his mattress to pay for his day-to-day expenses of hookers & blow, or to pay his outstanding bar tab, he does not need to declare it to Centrelink.

They specifically state this:

"This does not include money in your bank accounts or cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills."

completely wrong.

if grandpa has 200,000 dollars, that affects his pension

Not if it's cash.

"This does not include ... cash held to meet day-to-day expenses and to pay outstanding bills."

No-one holds 200k for day to day expenses. It's day to day not year on year or decade on decade.

Excuse me?

Are you saying day to day means just enough for literally two days?

Where are you getting this from - the Centrelink form?

Pensioners will need money for their day to day expenses for the rest of their lives (16 years, on average).

Where on any government website or form does it stipulate that day to day is limited to a week, a month, a year, or a decade?

Show me the link, and I'll concede defeat.

day-to-day: "happening regularly every day".

White flag accepted.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #254 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:39pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:34pm:

Excuse me?

Are you saying day to day means just enough for literally two days?

Where are you getting this from - the Centrelink form?

It means whatever Centrelink determines it means, or what a court determines a 'reasonable person' would think it means.