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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153779 Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #210 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 2:56pm Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 1:59pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:02pm: Centrelink wants Greggy's arse now. Not if they're looking for a Perth guitar shop owner. Who was the moron who came up with that one? Jasin I wish!
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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #211 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:23pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 1:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 1:21pm:

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show us the receipt for this job and show us the entry for the 20 gst for the 31/12/2023 for a job you did at mts blogs

I don't recall doing a job on that particular day. Can you prove I was there? Can you prove I was paid cash and can you prove I was paid on that same day?

The gst is with the gst included in the rest of the $1000 I deposited that week for cash jobs

I don't believe you own any businesses horseboy, you don't even understand how the tax office works

i dont recall

that will throw them off the scent

they do these stings to send a shudder through the whole industry

its also illegal for a tax agent to cover for the cash economy

i dont believe you have ever run a business Grin

I don't care what it does for their scent. It's what they can prove that's important.

Why did you make up that story about the old lady? Worried your stupidity would shine through without it?

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #212 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 2:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 1:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:02pm:

Centrelink wants Greggy's arse now. Grin

Not if they're looking for a Perth guitar shop owner. Cheesy

Who was the moron who came up with that one?

Jasin

I wish!

Pecker presses the Panic Button. Grin

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #213 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:26pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 2:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t.

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

youre getting desperate now gweggy

i assure you, the cash economy is not immune from the scrutiny of centrelink, the tax department and the child support agency

you are naive beyond belief, or more likely a liar.

i know a business guy who was audited

they asked him to show where the cash came for multiple things in his possession.

we even had a politician get into grief for a bottle of expensive wine they had in their possession ( i forget who)
their powers are broad ranging

if , for example, your parents never got money out of the bank for groceries and had groceries , the auditors could ask "how"

if someone tipped them off, you would be surprised how cunning they are.

as for my son the electrician

an old lady we know is actually paid by the ATO to get tradies out to do little jobs (fix a leaky tap, change a light bulb) she pays cash and doesnt ask for a reciept. after a couple of years, the tax department pull the trap. and they come down on them like a ton of bricks. massive fines.

i have told my son to NEVER do a cashie

Funny how in the last few months I had jobs done by a small motors business, a car detailer and a smoke alarm installer ....

and they all wanted cash.

Ride on mower repairs were $198

Ceramic coating applied to paint work on my car
$2650

Install new required standard connected smoke alarms in the house - $500

All registered ABN business who also advertise their businesses on radio, Local Search & TV
all wanted cash. No receipts.

The closest horseboy has ever come to running a business is selling bags of horseshit at his farm gates.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #214 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:28pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 2:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 2:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t.

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

youre getting desperate now gweggy

i assure you, the cash economy is not immune from the scrutiny of centrelink, the tax department and the child support agency

you are naive beyond belief, or more likely a liar.

i know a business guy who was audited

they asked him to show where the cash came for multiple things in his possession.

we even had a politician get into grief for a bottle of expensive wine they had in their possession ( i forget who)
their powers are broad ranging

if , for example, your parents never got money out of the bank for groceries and had groceries , the auditors could ask "how"

if someone tipped them off, you would be surprised how cunning they are.

as for my son the electrician

an old lady we know is actually paid by the ATO to get tradies out to do little jobs (fix a leaky tap, change a light bulb) she pays cash and doesnt ask for a reciept. after a couple of years, the tax department pull the trap. and they come down on them like a ton of bricks. massive fines.

i have told my son to NEVER do a cashie

Funny how in the last few months I had jobs done by a small motors business, a car detailer and a smoke alarm installer ....

and they all wanted cash.

Ride on mower repairs were $198

Ceramic coating applied to paint work on my car
$2650

Install new required standard connected smoke alarms in the house - $500

All registered ABN business who also advertise their businesses on radio, Local Search & TV
all wanted cash. No receipts.

they run the risk you report them annonymously.

and then they are on the ATO radar for life.

its not worth a good nights sleep

a tax audit is a serious stressor

Report what you idiot? That they paid cash? Cash is still legal in this country you dumbarse. If you rang the ato to report someone using cash they'd probably investigate you for mental illness

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #215 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:32pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:28pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 2:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 2:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t.

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

youre getting desperate now gweggy

i assure you, the cash economy is not immune from the scrutiny of centrelink, the tax department and the child support agency

you are naive beyond belief, or more likely a liar.

i know a business guy who was audited

they asked him to show where the cash came for multiple things in his possession.

we even had a politician get into grief for a bottle of expensive wine they had in their possession ( i forget who)
their powers are broad ranging

if , for example, your parents never got money out of the bank for groceries and had groceries , the auditors could ask "how"

if someone tipped them off, you would be surprised how cunning they are.

as for my son the electrician

an old lady we know is actually paid by the ATO to get tradies out to do little jobs (fix a leaky tap, change a light bulb) she pays cash and doesnt ask for a reciept. after a couple of years, the tax department pull the trap. and they come down on them like a ton of bricks. massive fines.

i have told my son to NEVER do a cashie

Funny how in the last few months I had jobs done by a small motors business, a car detailer and a smoke alarm installer ....

and they all wanted cash.

Ride on mower repairs were $198

Ceramic coating applied to paint work on my car
$2650

Install new required standard connected smoke alarms in the house - $500

All registered ABN business who also advertise their businesses on radio, Local Search & TV
all wanted cash. No receipts.

they run the risk you report them annonymously.

and then they are on the ATO radar for life.

its not worth a good nights sleep

a tax audit is a serious stressor

Report what you idiot? That they paid cash? Cash is still legal in this country you dumbarse. If you rang the ato to report someone using cash they'd probably investigate you for mental illness

Yep, perfectly legal.

Anyone know what colour the sky is in aquascoot's world?

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #216 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:45pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:28pm:

Report what you idiot? That they paid cash? Cash is still legal in this country you dumbarse. If you rang the ato to report someone using cash they'd probably investigate you for mental illness

Paying in cash is not illegal, (even if banks and governments are doing what they can to deter and disrupt cash transactions).

However, the receiving of cash for goods and services, where the transaction details are not recorded or declared, is tax evasion.

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Reply #217 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:46pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:28pm:

Report what you idiot? That they paid cash? Cash is still legal in this country you dumbarse. If you rang the ato to report someone using cash they'd probably investigate you for mental illness

Paying in cash is not illegal, (even if banks and governments are doing what they can to deter and disrupt cash transactions).

However, the receiving of cash for goods and services, where the transaction details are not recorded or declared, is tax evasion.

Who did that? Shocked

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120596 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #218 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:30pm Greggy - give yourself up - you'll get a much lighter sentence.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56834 Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #219 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:41pm Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:30pm: Greggy - give yourself up - you'll get a much lighter sentence. Do you think Peccary will be blowing the harmonica while with his 'Bubba', in a prison cell?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120596 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension Reply #220 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:47pm Jasin wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:30pm: Greggy - give yourself up - you'll get a much lighter sentence. Do you think Peccary will be blowing the harmonica while with his 'Bubba', in a prison cell? The soap - pick it up.
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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #221 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:47pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:30pm:

Greggy - give yourself up -
you'll get a much lighter sentence.

Do you think Peccary will be blowing the harmonica while with his 'Bubba', in a prison cell?

The soap - pick it up. Grin

What's for dinner tonight, Booby?

Just you and JaSin?

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Reply #223 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:59am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:52am:

My mother keeps about $40,000 - $50,000 cash on hand for shopping and other day to day expenses so, if she was applying for the pension today (and filling in that form), she wouldn't have to declare that money.

They tell her specifically NOT to.

Now you're heading towards reality and what Centrelink determines is a reasonable amount of cash on hand for shopping and other day-to-day expenses.

And that amount is ... ???

Whatever Centrelink determines it is.

If they find out you have $50K and decide that is unreasonable, they could withhold your pension and leave it to you to explain.

You really aren't paying attention.

The form specifically says: "Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses".

So how would they find out how much cash anyone has on hand?

Are we back to the "Midnight Mattress Squad"?

You have no idea of the latitude that is given, under acts and regulations, to administrative departments.

How Centrelink comes to know about your cash holdings is one thing...

And that was the question.

So ... ???

Moreover, spending $50,000 a year on shopping and day to day expenses seems quite conservative.

I'm quite sure that I spend much more than that.

Are you eating Russian caviar, and buying/selling cars for cash?

$961 a week for shopping and day to day expenses is not extravagant.

Not even close.

Rent alone will set someone back at least $400.

$125/week in rent. Food $100/week ($200/fortnight groceries). Electricity, internet and phone about $250/month. Other expenses might be $100/week. Did spend something like $150/week in booze. Trying to cut that out.

Even then, $900+ a week in groceries, utilities, rent/mortgage and other things seems excessive.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #224 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:53pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 12:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:59am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:52am:

My mother keeps about $40,000 - $50,000 cash on hand for shopping and other day to day expenses so, if she was applying for the pension today (and filling in that form), she wouldn't have to declare that money.

They tell her specifically NOT to.

Now you're heading towards reality and what Centrelink determines is a reasonable amount of cash on hand for shopping and other day-to-day expenses.

And that amount is ... ???

Whatever Centrelink determines it is.

If they find out you have $50K and decide that is unreasonable, they could withhold your pension and leave it to you to explain.

You really aren't paying attention.

The form specifically says: "Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses".

So how would they find out how much cash anyone has on hand?

Are we back to the "Midnight Mattress Squad"?

You have no idea of the latitude that is given, under acts and regulations, to administrative departments.

How Centrelink comes to know about your cash holdings is one thing...

And that was the question.

So ... ???

Moreover, spending $50,000 a year on shopping and day to day expenses seems quite conservative.

I'm quite sure that I spend much more than that.

Are you eating Russian caviar, and buying/selling cars for cash?

$961 a week for shopping and day to day expenses is not extravagant.

Not even close.

Rent alone will set someone back at least $400.

$125/week in rent. ...

Do you live in 1986?

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