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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #105 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:56am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:30am:

Greggy trying to gaslight me. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies.

Greggy doesn't know. Roll Eyes

The determining factor with relevant agencies is one of focused interest.

They do not lack the means of accessing, formally and informally digital/electronic records.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #106 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:58am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:30am:

Greggy trying to gaslight me. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies.

Greggy doesn't know. Roll Eyes

The determining factor with relevant agencies is one of focused interest.

They do not lack the means of accessing, formally and informally digital/electronic records.

Big Brother is watching you -
he sees everything.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #107 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:06am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:30am:

Greggy trying to gaslight me. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies.

Greggy doesn't know. Roll Eyes

The determining factor with relevant agencies is one of focused interest.

They do not lack the means of accessing, formally and informally digital/electronic records.

Big Brother is watching you -
he sees everything.

Generally only if you're 'worthy' of focussed interest, although with the rapid rise of AI, what would have taken months of manual investigation, has now been reduced to less than a few hours or even minutes.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #108 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:07am

Gordon wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:

Thanks for the form Greggy - it's hilarious.
Stalin and Karl would be proud of those commies.
https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Quote:

37 Do you (and/or your partner) own, partly own or have a
financial interest in any motor vehicles, motor cycles or
trailers?
The current market value is the price that you
would expect to get if you sold the item. It is not the
replacement or insured value.
Include:
• all furniture (including soft furnishings such as
curtains), antiques and works of art
• electrical appliances such as televisions and fridges
• jewellery for personal use and hobby collections
(for example, stamps, coins)

My answer:
I have a 25 year old chair worth $2. Grin

I have a 6 year old toaster than I paid $14 for from Aldi that doesn’t work properly. Grin

I have a nearly 15 year old Hyundai Getz with over 150,000k on the clock and is insured for $5,246 (including accessories).

I wonder if I'll need to 'declare' that when I apply for the age pension in about 6 months time?

I also wonder if the pollies have to fill in a form like that Centrelink one when they apply for their pensions?

For example - our former WA Premier Mark McGowan who now gets a $300,000 a year taxpayer funded pension on top of what he's getting paid for the 4 private sector jobs he currently has.

Did he have to fill in that form?

You need to declare everything -
even your: knife, fork and spoon and plate you use for dinner.

Stalin said.

Would I have to declare my Honda?

https://i.ibb.co/mvnB7LJ/1.jpg

Declare it what? Tongue

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #109 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:38am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:06am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:30am:

Greggy trying to gaslight me. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies.

Greggy doesn't know. Roll Eyes

The determining factor with relevant agencies is one of focused interest.

They do not lack the means of accessing, formally and informally digital/electronic records.

Big Brother is watching you -
he sees everything.

Generally only if you're 'worthy' of focussed interest, although with the rapid rise of AI, what would have taken months of manual investigation, has now been reduced to less than a few hours or even minutes.

Yes - the searches are most likely automatic - done by robot software -
which detects any anomalies.
I think that's how Robodebt worked?

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #110 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:42am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:38am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:06am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:30am:

Greggy trying to gaslight me. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies.

Greggy doesn't know. Roll Eyes

The determining factor with relevant agencies is one of focused interest.

They do not lack the means of accessing, formally and informally digital/electronic records.

Big Brother is watching you -
he sees everything.

Generally only if you're 'worthy' of focussed interest, although with the rapid rise of AI, what would have taken months of manual investigation, has now been reduced to less than a few hours or even minutes.

Yes - the searches are most likely automatic - done by robot software -
which detects any anomalies.
I think that's how Robodebt worked?

Robodebt was a gross overreach and the result of an overestimation of the current state of AI.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #111 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:48am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:42am:

Robodebt was a gross overreach and the result of an overestimation of the current state of AI.

Yes -
as I said before the Govts. created this problem where
they don't have enough money to pay their pension liabilities:

Again -

People paid high taxes all their working lives to give other people pensions
and when it's their time to get some of their tax back as a pension
the Govt. uses every excuse to get out of it.

What happened?
The Govts didn't set their tax money aside or invest it to
pay back some day but they spent it all and then
borrowed a trillion dollars more.
The Govts lost your money and now don't want to pay it back -
they can't pay it back -
they even have to borrow money to pay you.
That causes high inflation too.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #112 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:53am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:48am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:42am:

Robodebt was a gross overreach and the result of an overestimation of the current state of AI.

Yes -
as I said before the Govts. created this problem where
they don't have enough money to pay their pension liabilities:

Again -

People paid high taxes all their working lives to give other people pensions
and when it's their time to get some of their tax back as a pension
the Govt. uses every excuse to get out of it.

What happened?
The Govts didn't set their tax money aside or invest it to
pay back some day but they spent it all and then
borrowed a trillion dollars more.
The Govts lost your money and now don't want to pay it back -
they can't pay it back -
they even have to borrow money to pay you.
That causes high inflation too.

Politicians are not immune from the human instinct and tendency to externalise and deflect their failures onto others.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #113 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:03am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:38am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:36am:

What degree of naivete would be required to imagine that welfare agencies, tax agencies and police departments would not be interested in the activities of those hoarding large sums of cash?

Which section on the form asks for cash to be declared?

Just give us the number.

The number these agencies would be focussed on, if they were focussed at all, is the cash amount.

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

from the official services australia website

If the value of your assets changes
You need to tell us if your overall asset values increase above what is already recorded. We need to know if the value has increased by the following amounts:

$2,000 or more for financial assets
$1,000 or more for non-financial assets.

IF YOU HAVE FINANCIAL ASSETS MORE THEN $2000 above what is RECORDED

you need to tell us .

clearly cash is a financial asset

gweggy and carl are welfare frauds

they are thieves and criminals

disgraceful selfish entitled stuff

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/asset-types?context=22526

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #114 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:38am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:36am:

What degree of naivete would be required to imagine that welfare agencies, tax agencies and police departments would not be interested in the activities of those hoarding large sums of cash?

Which section on the form asks for cash to be declared?

Just give us the number.

The number these agencies would be focussed on, if they were focussed at all, is the cash amount.

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

from the official services australia website

If the value of your assets changes
You need to tell us if your overall asset values increase above what is already recorded. We need to know if the value has increased by the following amounts:

$2,000 or more for financial assets
$1,000 or more for non-financial assets.

IF YOU HAVE FINANCIAL ASSETS MORE THEN $2000 above what is RECORDED

you need to tell us .

clearly cash is a financial asset

gweggy and carl are welfare frauds

they are thieves and criminals

disgraceful selfish entitled stuff

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/asset-types?context=22526

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #116 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #117 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Aqua,
Quote:

gweggy and carl are welfare frauds

they are thieves and criminals

disgraceful selfish entitled stuff

Are you gunna dob em in?

Hey Bobby, which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number, please.

Thanks.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #118 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:12am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t.

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number.

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Re: Lotto Winner Loses Access To Pension
Reply #119 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:15am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Aqua,
Quote:

gweggy and carl are welfare frauds

they are thieves and criminals

disgraceful selfish entitled stuff

Are you gunna dob em in?

Hey Bobby, which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f....

Just give us the number, please.

Thanks.

Go and see them - give yourself up.
You'll get a lesser sentence.

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