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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41847 Gender:	Old camry has new noise Dec 27^th, 2023 at 7:21pm my old camry (2008, 315,000 kms) has a new noise. Or maybe it is more apparent now. It's related to engine speed (revs), not car speed. Sounds like a feathering dull noise. Possibly compressed air leak? Might not go on long drives till it's been to the garage.
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Reply #2 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 7:27pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 7:21pm:

my old camry (2008, 315,000 kms) has a new noise.
Or maybe it is more apparent now.
It's related to engine speed (revs), not car speed.
Sounds like a feathering dull noise. Possibly compressed air leak?

Might not go on long drives till it's been to the garage.

Hard to diagnose without hearing it.

Since it's related to RPM possibly exhaust leak.

Is it still running smooth going Ok?

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56833 Gender:	Re: Old camry has new noise Reply #3 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 8:31pm It sounds 'old' Sprint. Best see a Dealer, rather than a Mechanic.
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Reply #4 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 9:48pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 7:21pm:

my old camry (2008, 315,000 kms) has a new noise.
Or maybe it is more apparent now.
It's related to engine speed (revs), not car speed.
Sounds like a feathering dull noise. Possibly compressed air leak?

Might not go on long drives till it's been to the garage.

Make a recording of the sound and post it.

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Reply #5 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 10:30pm

Jasin wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 8:31pm:

It sounds 'old' Sprint.
Best see a Dealer, rather than a Mechanic.

I wouldn't go to a dealer they rip you off.

Find a mechanic that is busy with cars lined up to be fixed.

If they have no work waiting they will find things that don't really need doing so they can charge you more.

I would start looking at exhaust manifold gaskets exhaust temps are over 500 deg c . Then move down down exhaust system. Just a guess we will see if i was close.

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Reply #7 - Dec 28^th, 2023 at 1:50pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 7:27pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 7:21pm:

my old camry (2008, 315,000 kms) has a new noise.
Or maybe it is more apparent now.
It's related to engine speed (revs), not car speed.
Sounds like a feathering dull noise. Possibly compressed air leak?

Might not go on long drives till it's been to the garage.

Hard to diagnose without hearing it.

Since it's related to RPM possibly exhaust leak.

Is it still running smooth going Ok?

Could be exhaust leak too, thanks. Runs well still, idling was a bit unstable.
Sort of a whirring feathery noise, possibly disappears about 2000 +rpm. Perhaps a pump or some pulley , had a tensioner pulley changed a few years ago. that should be ok, serpentine belt looks good.
Gave it an oil and filter change yesterday. Coolant is good. Idling seems better now.
I take good car of my old cars, I'm pretty fussy about old cars NOT breaking down

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Reply #8 - Dec 28^th, 2023 at 6:52pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 1:50pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 7:27pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 7:21pm:

my old camry (2008, 315,000 kms) has a new noise.
Or maybe it is more apparent now.
It's related to engine speed (revs), not car speed.
Sounds like a feathering dull noise. Possibly compressed air leak?

Might not go on long drives till it's been to the garage.

Hard to diagnose without hearing it.

Since it's related to RPM possibly exhaust leak.

Is it still running smooth going Ok?

Could be exhaust leak too, thanks. Runs well still, idling was a bit unstable.
Sort of a whirring feathery noise, possibly disappears about 2000 +rpm. Perhaps a pump or some pulley , had a tensioner pulley changed a few years ago. that should be ok, serpentine belt looks good.
Gave it an oil and filter change yesterday. Coolant is good. Idling seems better now.
I take good car of my old cars, I'm pretty fussy about old cars NOT breaking down

Could be alternator bearing or brushes, less likely but possibly water pump. Grab your biggest screwdriver and use it as a stethoscope, put the handle to your ear and touch various engine parts and see if you can isolate where the noise is coming from. FFS don't get the screwdriver into moving parts.

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Reply #9 - Dec 28^th, 2023 at 7:53pm

A guy on another site may hav e had tha answer

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......... There is no compressed air in any vehicle unless it is for starting (diesel only) or brakes.
You do have vacuum for various functions such as climate control etc. They are small diameter rigid "hoses".
Get a can of spray carburetor cleaner. Yea, you don't have a carb, but find a spray can at your favorite parts store. Start the engine and spray it near the hoses. When the engine speeds up, you have found your leak. You can buy new "hose" (Toyota will probably have exact replacements, for an awesome price) or depending on the break, electrical tape may solve the issue.

Very well diagnosed. You are right. I had a good look over the air inlet side (I'm not a mechanic at all).
Saw a couple of worm drive clamps holding 2 areas. Took a #3 phillips screwdriver, one tightened up about 1 1/2 revolutions. That is a lot, the other less than a full revolution, that is a significant.
Idle speed is stable now, it's not sucking air in where it should not.

Congrats

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153771 Gender:	Re: Old camry has new noise Reply #10 - Dec 28^th, 2023 at 8:26pm Glad you sorted it, Sprint. Things like that frustrate me.
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17370 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Old camry has new noise Reply #11 - Dec 28^th, 2023 at 8:33pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 8:26pm: Glad you sorted it, Sprint. Things like that frustrate me. Not sure he has. It's just something he read online.
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Reply #12 - Dec 28^th, 2023 at 8:42pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Glad you sorted it, Sprint.

Things like that frustrate me.

Not sure he has. It's just something he read online.

Oh well, he has a 2008 Camry - he can't go wrong.

From about 2005 to 2009, those are the most reliable cars in the country.

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Reply #13 - Dec 28^th, 2023 at 8:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Glad you sorted it, Sprint.

Things like that frustrate me.

Not sure he has. It's just something he read online.

Oh well, he has a 2008 Camry - he can't go wrong.

From about 2005 to 2009, those are the most reliable cars in the country.

He doesn't give a lot to go on though. Auto/manual? Noise with clutch depressed? Where the noise is coming from even in a general direction. Very hard to say what it can be so I assumed automatic for simplicity's sake..

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Reply #14 - Dec 28^th, 2023 at 9:05pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

A guy on another site may hav e had tha answer

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......... There is no compressed air in any vehicle unless it is for starting (diesel only) or brakes.
You do have vacuum for various functions such as climate control etc. They are small diameter rigid "hoses".
Get a can of spray carburetor cleaner. Yea, you don't have a carb, but find a spray can at your favorite parts store. Start the engine and spray it near the hoses. When the engine speeds up, you have found your leak. You can buy new "hose" (Toyota will probably have exact replacements, for an awesome price) or depending on the break, electrical tape may solve the issue.

Very well diagnosed. You are right. I had a good look over the air inlet side (I'm not a mechanic at all).
Saw a couple of worm drive clamps holding 2 areas. Took a #3 phillips screwdriver, one tightened up about 1 1/2 revolutions. That is a lot, the other less than a full revolution, that is a significant.
Idle speed is stable now, it's not sucking air in where it should not.

Congrats

A vacum hose leak will cause engine to run rougher it will interfere with manifold pressure sensor. Idle will be all over the place yet this can happen with high KMs as Idle Air Controller valve carbons up which doesn't allow it to work properly.

A vacum leak will be really noticeable at idle and small throttle openings when vacum is higher. At full throttle a vacum hose leak doesn't make much if any difference.
It's not something you will hear unless bonnet is open and you're searching for it.

Vacum is highest with 0% throttle opening.

That said all rubber hoses have finite life after about 15 years they can be questionable.

I had a radiator hose split once coolant pissing out i used electrical tape wrapped around it like a tight bandage to get home after topping water up. With older cars probably wise to keep a roll of electrical tape in it.

With high kms it could be worn bearing in alternator or water pump as setanta suggested.

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Reply #16 - Dec 28^th, 2023 at 11:33pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

A guy on another site may hav e had tha answer

Quote:

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Quote:

......... There is no compressed air in any vehicle unless it is for starting (diesel only) or brakes.
You do have vacuum for various functions such as climate control etc. They are small diameter rigid "hoses".
Get a can of spray carburetor cleaner. Yea, you don't have a carb, but find a spray can at your favorite parts store. Start the engine and spray it near the hoses. When the engine speeds up, you have found your leak. You can buy new "hose" (Toyota will probably have exact replacements, for an awesome price) or depending on the break, electrical tape may solve the issue.

Very well diagnosed. You are right. I had a good look over the air inlet side (I'm not a mechanic at all).
Saw a couple of worm drive clamps holding 2 areas. Took a #3 phillips screwdriver, one tightened up about 1 1/2 revolutions. That is a lot, the other less than a full revolution, that is a significant.
Idle speed is stable now, it's not sucking air in where it should not.

Congrats

A vacum hose leak will cause engine to run rougher it will interfere with manifold pressure sensor. Idle will be all over the place yet this can happen with high KMs as Idle Air Controller valve carbons up which doesn't allow it to work properly.

A vacum leak will be really noticeable at idle and small throttle openings when vacum is higher. At full throttle a vacum hose leak doesn't make much if any difference.
It's not something you will hear unless bonnet is open and you're searching for it.

Vacum is highest with 0% throttle opening.

That said all rubber hoses have finite life after about 15 years they can be questionable.

I had a radiator hose split once coolant pissing out i used electrical tape wrapped around it like a tight bandage to get home after topping water up. With older cars probably wise to keep a roll of electrical tape in it.

With high kms it could be worn bearing in alternator or water pump as setanta suggested.

Thanks guys. I agree all the hoses should be changed. If that one had 'changed', others are close to that too.
New water pump is a good idea, I asked the garage about one 3 years ago, it was ok then. It had a new alternator , radiator and tensioner pulley about 3 years ago.
Could be a good list for the next garage visit.

1/ replace air inlet hoses where possible.
2/ Install new water pump. (Preventative maintenance)
3/ Stop oil weep around rocker box.
4/ New spark plugs due?

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Reply #17 - Dec 29^th, 2023 at 11:31pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 11:33pm:

Thanks guys. I agree all the hoses should be changed. If that one had 'changed', others are close to that too.
New water pump is a good idea, I asked the garage about one 3 years ago, it was ok then. It had a new alternator , radiator and tensioner pulley about 3 years ago.
Could be a good list for the next garage visit.

1/ replace air inlet hoses where possible.
2/ Install new water pump. (Preventative maintenance)
3/ Stop oil weep around rocker box.
4/ New spark plugs due?

They should have put new radiator hoses in when replacing radiator if so they should be ok.
Heater hoses use coolant from engine to firewall about inch thick they would be the weak part of cooling system.

It's consequences of failure to consider.
With coolant leaks it's engine meltdown if you don't turn engine off.
Vacum hose failing means engine running rough misfires etc at less than 10% throttle opening and idle, provided you're not driving hundreds of km you can get home.
There is a thicker vacum hose to brake booster if that fails you lose power assist meaning brake pedal needs double to 5 times force to get it to stop.

We should be able to rule out what you have replaced.

The water pump will get really noisy before it fails i wouldn't replace that just yet. Older cars (70s-80s) with engine driven fan on water pump could send fan blades into radiator when pump failed. Modern cars have electric fans it doesn't happen with them.

It depends how much rocker cover gasket it leaking if it's only a little bit i wouldn't worry. Sometimes nipping bolts up a little tighter cures it. Modern cars have rubber gasket they're really good older cars had cork ones that didn't last.

Spark plugs last a lot longer in modern cars better materials in them the longer lasting ones cost more so if car isn't misfiring i wouldn't replace them. EFI means car runs better for clean burning so plugs last much longer.

As for the noise open the bonnet get someone to hold revs in range where you hear it and follow where noise is coming from. If you can hear it while driving you should be able to trace it with bonnet open. If you locate source of noise and don't know what it is post a pic.

If your dashboard lights up with faults for engine gearbox or ABS SRS etc some Supercheap Auto shops do diagnostic scanning for around $30 takes about 10 minutes they will give you printout with fault codes and what is wrong. It's the cheapest option for diagnostic scanning most charge around $80-150 with Mercedes being the worst around $330 to plug scanner in to tell you what is wrong.

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Reply #20 - Jan 30^th, 2024 at 5:28am

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 29^th, 2023 at 11:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 11:33pm:

Thanks guys. I agree all the hoses should be changed. If that one had 'changed', others are close to that too.
New water pump is a good idea, I asked the garage about one 3 years ago, it was ok then. It had a new alternator , radiator and tensioner pulley about 3 years ago.
Could be a good list for the next garage visit.

1/ replace air inlet hoses where possible.
2/ Install new water pump. (Preventative maintenance)
3/ Stop oil weep around rocker box.
4/ New spark plugs due?

They should have put new radiator hoses in when replacing radiator if so they should be ok.
Heater hoses use coolant from engine to firewall about inch thick they would be the weak part of cooling system.

It's consequences of failure to consider.
With coolant leaks it's engine meltdown if you don't turn engine off.
Vacum hose failing means engine running rough misfires etc at less than 10% throttle opening and idle, provided you're not driving hundreds of km you can get home.
There is a thicker vacum hose to brake booster if that fails you lose power assist meaning brake pedal needs double to 5 times force to get it to stop.

We should be able to rule out what you have replaced.

The water pump will get really noisy before it fails i wouldn't replace that just yet. Older cars (70s-80s) with engine driven fan on water pump could send fan blades into radiator when pump failed. Modern cars have electric fans it doesn't happen with them.

It depends how much rocker cover gasket it leaking if it's only a little bit i wouldn't worry. Sometimes nipping bolts up a little tighter cures it. Modern cars have rubber gasket they're really good older cars had cork ones that didn't last.

Spark plugs last a lot longer in modern cars better materials in them the longer lasting ones cost more so if car isn't misfiring i wouldn't replace them. EFI means car runs better for clean burning so plugs last much longer.

As for the noise open the bonnet get someone to hold revs in range where you hear it and follow where noise is coming from. If you can hear it while driving you should be able to trace it with bonnet open. If you locate source of noise and don't know what it is post a pic.

If your dashboard lights up with faults for engine gearbox or ABS SRS etc some Supercheap Auto shops do diagnostic scanning for around $30 takes about 10 minutes they will give you printout with fault codes and what is wrong. It's the cheapest option for diagnostic scanning most charge around $80-150 with Mercedes being the worst around $330 to plug scanner in to tell you what is wrong.

Thanks Baron, that is great information.

I took it to the local mechanic, he has worked on this car for a about a decade.
He said it is fine, that is a normal noise

I'll see if I can tweak down the rocker box cover

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......... 1/ replace air inlet hoses where possible.
2/ Install new water pump. (Preventative maintenance)
3/ Stop oil weep around rocker box.
4/ New spark plugs due? ..........

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Reply #25 - Jan 31^st, 2024 at 2:40pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 30^th, 2024 at 5:28am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 29^th, 2023 at 11:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 28^th, 2023 at 11:33pm:

Thanks guys. I agree all the hoses should be changed. If that one had 'changed', others are close to that too.
New water pump is a good idea, I asked the garage about one 3 years ago, it was ok then. It had a new alternator , radiator and tensioner pulley about 3 years ago.
Could be a good list for the next garage visit.

1/ replace air inlet hoses where possible.
2/ Install new water pump. (Preventative maintenance)
3/ Stop oil weep around rocker box.
4/ New spark plugs due?

They should have put new radiator hoses in when replacing radiator if so they should be ok.
Heater hoses use coolant from engine to firewall about inch thick they would be the weak part of cooling system.

It's consequences of failure to consider.
With coolant leaks it's engine meltdown if you don't turn engine off.
Vacum hose failing means engine running rough misfires etc at less than 10% throttle opening and idle, provided you're not driving hundreds of km you can get home.
There is a thicker vacum hose to brake booster if that fails you lose power assist meaning brake pedal needs double to 5 times force to get it to stop.

We should be able to rule out what you have replaced.

The water pump will get really noisy before it fails i wouldn't replace that just yet. Older cars (70s-80s) with engine driven fan on water pump could send fan blades into radiator when pump failed. Modern cars have electric fans it doesn't happen with them.

It depends how much rocker cover gasket it leaking if it's only a little bit i wouldn't worry. Sometimes nipping bolts up a little tighter cures it. Modern cars have rubber gasket they're really good older cars had cork ones that didn't last.

Spark plugs last a lot longer in modern cars better materials in them the longer lasting ones cost more so if car isn't misfiring i wouldn't replace them. EFI means car runs better for clean burning so plugs last much longer.

As for the noise open the bonnet get someone to hold revs in range where you hear it and follow where noise is coming from. If you can hear it while driving you should be able to trace it with bonnet open. If you locate source of noise and don't know what it is post a pic.

If your dashboard lights up with faults for engine gearbox or ABS SRS etc some Supercheap Auto shops do diagnostic scanning for around $30 takes about 10 minutes they will give you printout with fault codes and what is wrong. It's the cheapest option for diagnostic scanning most charge around $80-150 with Mercedes being the worst around $330 to plug scanner in to tell you what is wrong.

Thanks Baron, that is great information.

I took it to the local mechanic, he has worked on this car for a about a decade.
He said it is fine, that is a normal noise

I'll see if I can tweak down the rocker box cover

Quote:

......... 1/ replace air inlet hoses where possible.
2/ Install new water pump. (Preventative maintenance)
3/ Stop oil weep around rocker box.
4/ New spark plugs due? ..........

Start with the middle bolts and work your way to the outside in bigger circles when tightening things up.

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Reply #26 - Jan 31^st, 2024 at 8:04pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 31^st, 2024 at 2:40pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 30^th, 2024 at 5:28am:

............... Thanks Baron, that is great information.

I took it to the local mechanic, he has worked on this car for a about a decade.
He said it is fine, that is a normal noise

I'll see if I can tweak down the rocker box cover

Quote:

......... 1/ replace air inlet hoses where possible.
2/ Install new water pump. (Preventative maintenance)
3/ Stop oil weep around rocker box.
4/ New spark plugs due? ..........

Start with the middle bolts and work your way to the outside in bigger circles when tightening things up.

Thanks, will look at it in a few days.
It's a good old car, we are recently retired so the longer it runs well the better.
It's probably worth $5K, gets us wherever we want to go, is quiet, smooth, low repair bills, good highway car.
If it runs well for another 3 years that will be a big help to our budget.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56833 Gender:	Re: Old camry has new noise Reply #29 - Feb 1^st, 2024 at 2:09pm chimera wrote on Feb 1^st, 2024 at 9:16am: An old canary had a new noise. The neighbour's bird saw a brown snake. It did a bolt. Your mind is scary. You do know that don't you LTYC?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41847 Gender:	Re: Old camry has new noise Reply #30 - Feb 1^st, 2024 at 2:23pm Jasin wrote on Jan 31^st, 2024 at 10:13pm: Old people in old cars. old cars with high kms on them too
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: Old camry has new noise Reply #31 - Feb 1^st, 2024 at 3:02pm Jasin wrote on Feb 1^st, 2024 at 2:09pm: chimera wrote on Feb 1^st, 2024 at 9:16am: An old canary had a new noise. The neighbour's bird saw a brown snake. It did a bolt. Your mind is scary. No just dodgy eyesight.
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