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Reply #30 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:46pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:23pm:
Belgarion wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:18pm:
I see the usual suspects have no answer. These are the useful fools who encourage HAMAS to continue using the vile tactics that have led to the deaths of so many civilians.  Roll Eyes


Everyone here condemns Hamas unconditionally.

Now, how many more babies and pregnant women would you like to see the IDF murder?

I'm curious.



This is the sort of statement that encourages HAMAS to continue doing what they are doing. How does it feel to be responsible for all these innocent deaths?  Roll Eyes


Now, how many more babies and pregnant women would you like to see the IDF murder?
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Reply #31 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:49pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:45pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:12pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:09pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 7:38pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 6:21pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 4:27pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 3:55pm:
There are plenty of people who like to accuse the Jews of genocide. The facts simply do not support this claim. It is just more Jew-hating propaganda - an attempt to rebrand Nazism as woke by chanting idiotic slogans.




Yes, those idiots say, it was ‘horrendous’, on 7 October, but it was ‘not a crime related to the Holocaust in any way’.
Their reasoning? Well, in the mid-20th century it was ‘powerless Jews’ being killed by ‘one of the most powerful states and armies’ – the Nazis. This time round, we have a ‘very powerful state’ – Israel – being attacked by ‘Palestinians who for decades [have been] under Israeli settler-colonial rule’. So it’s a ‘very, very different context’.

This is one of the most morally vacuous statements I have heard in a very long time. It is proof, surely, of the mind rot that flows from the Western identitarian obsession with power relations. For the truth is that on 7 October it was ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by a ‘powerful army’. In that pogrom, that moment, unarmed Jews were completely overpowered by a racist militia. Anyone who has witnessed the summary execution of two teenage girls at the music festival, or the bombing to death of an unarmed dad trying to shield his two sons, or the shooting of an elderly Jew in his kitchen, will know that, once again, yes, ‘powerless Jews’ were murdered for being Jews. No, it was not the Holocaust. Hamas, mercifully, is incapable of carrying out such industrial levels of murder. But the idea that ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by racists in 2023 is entirely different to ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by racists in 1943 is a wilful delusion born of brains poisoned by wokeness.

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"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" IS the call for genocide, as heard in every western city, from Sydney, Melbourne to London and New York.



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it was ‘horrendous’, on 7 October, but it was ‘not a crime related to the Holocaust in any way’.


No people have from the start said that it was ‘horrendous’ - unqualified.

Though it is correct that there is no association with the Holocaust no more than their holocaust like response in Palestine is related to the Holocaust. That's just silly.

The proper response it to be critical of all the atrocities no mater who is behind them.

Here we have 2 wrongs and 0 rights.

How would YOU respond to 7 October, duckwit?




In the 17 years prior to oct Israel has killed over 6000 Palestinians as well as kidnapping over 60 minors and transporting them over the border

How do you suggest the Palestinians respond to those atrocities? Or is it only Jews that are allowed to retaliate?

How would YOU have responded to 7 October, thicko.
Don't squirm, it not a complicated question.


You are denying Israeli responsibility for Oct 7th,  and you are now complicit in the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

You aren't capable of processing reason; when I pointed out Israel accepted the partition plan - of course,....but the Arabs didn't - of course, it belonged to them since 600AD,  you just run away and hide.

Typical conservative denial of causation.

"Deplorable". 

How would YOU have responded to 7 October, parrot.
Don't squirm, it not a complicated question.


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Reply #32 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:53pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


How would I deal with it?

Well...Trump was in a position in 2017 to bang some heads together in the UNSC, he was on "good" terms with strongmen  Xi and Putin, he could have implemented UN res 242, and guaranteed Israel's security by demonstrating the US's ability to take out extremist ideologues without destroying civilians. 

But in the end, Trump lacked the vision... 
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Reply #33 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:58pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


How would I deal with it?

Well...Trump was in a position in 2017 to bang some heads together in the UNSC, he was on "good" terms with strongmen  Xi and Putin, he could have implemented UN res 242, and guaranteed Israel's security by demonstrating the US's ability to take out extremist ideologues without dstroying civilians. 

But in the end, Trump lacked the vision... 


Irrelevant, I'm not the one saying "don't do this, don't do that" without saying how they would do it. You're attempting to answer a question with a question.
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Re: Gaza: genocide?
Reply #34 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 7:37pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 6:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 4:16pm:
Genocide doesn't necessarily mean killing every last person.

In fact, it doesn't have to involve killing at all.

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with
intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as
such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


The IDF is quite obviously committing genocide.



Grin

And so is a schoolyard bully.


You think genocide is a laughing matter?   Undecided

Oh dear.


I am laughing at the stupidity of your posts Greg.
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Re: Gaza: genocide?
Reply #35 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:06pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy

Yes, yes, yes, you are very stupid. We know. Everyone knows.

Say something that is NOT  stupid. Try.



If I did you certainly wouldn't recognise it.
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Reply #36 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:08pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


I already told you,  id target hamas. It's not rocket science ffs.

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Reply #37 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:10pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:58pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


How would I deal with it?

Well...Trump was in a position in 2017 to bang some heads together in the UNSC, he was on "good" terms with strongmen  Xi and Putin, he could have implemented UN res 242, and guaranteed Israel's security by demonstrating the US's ability to take out extremist ideologues without dstroying civilians. 

But in the end, Trump lacked the vision... 


Irrelevant, I'm not the one saying "don't do this, don't do that" without saying how they would do it. You're attempting to answer a question with a question.

 

No, I'm attempting to get you to use your brain, and to consider what is needed to end the conflict, after Israel has ...eliminated ... Hamas.

The world is watching, Israel runs the risk of irretrievably shaming itself forever.
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Reply #38 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:14pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


I already told you,  id target hamas. It's not rocket science ffs.



How? What would be your plan?

Every time HAMAS launches a rocket, Israel should launch one back to exact co-ords it was fired from and like HAMAS not caring if it hit civilians? Do retaliatory raids to rape, murder, behead and burn Palestinians, not necessarily in that order? Hunt down HAMAS with single shot pistols so no civilians get used as a human shield? What is your plan?
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Reply #39 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:18pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


I already told you,  id target hamas. It's not rocket science ffs.



How? What would be your plan?


Target hamas. What part of that is difficult?
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Reply #40 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:22pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


I already told you,  id target hamas. It's not rocket science ffs.



How? What would be your plan?


Target hamas. What part of that is difficult?


They are, you don't like them doing it.
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Reply #41 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:26pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:22pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


I already told you,  id target hamas. It's not rocket science ffs.



How? What would be your plan?


Target hamas. What part of that is difficult?


They are, you don't like them doing it.


Not while Israel displays no intentions to ever implement UN res 242. That's why we need  the US to show some moral backbone.
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Reply #42 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:37pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:26pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:22pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


I already told you,  id target hamas. It's not rocket science ffs.



How? What would be your plan?


Target hamas. What part of that is difficult?


They are, you don't like them doing it.


Not while Israel displays no intentions to ever implement UN res 242. That's why we need  the US to show some moral backbone.


You still haven't said what you would do beyond your hypothetical UN that doesn't actually exist. Should the world make America have some "backbone"? How? Do you think we should let China make the world a better place?
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Reply #43 - Dec 12th, 2023 at 10:02pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:22pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


I already told you,  id target hamas. It's not rocket science ffs.



How? What would be your plan?


Target hamas. What part of that is difficult?


They are, you don't like them doing it.



Unless they are totally incompetent,  No they are not.
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Reply #44 - Dec 13th, 2023 at 6:05am
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


They would "deal" with it by not doing anything to prevent Muslims achieving their genocide of the Jews.

John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 10:02pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:22pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:28pm:
The israeli terrorist supporters aren't interested in answers.  Cheesy


I'm interested in how you and Gregg would deal with it besides the usual list of don't kill anyone or destroy their homes and infrastructure but how would you go about it? You know Israel's capabilities, they could level the place in a week if they didn't care about civilians. They haven't. What WOULD you have them do? Tell us your plan to weed HAMAS out of the civilian population without harming a single civilian?


I already told you,  id target hamas. It's not rocket science ffs.



How? What would be your plan?


Target hamas. What part of that is difficult?


They are, you don't like them doing it.



Unless they are totally incompetent,  No they are not.


If you think it would be so easy, why is this the closest thing to a straight answer anyone has posted here on the topic?

Would you describe what Israel is doing as genocide?
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