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Gaza: genocide?
Dec 12^th, 2023 at 3:55pm

There are plenty of people who like to accuse the Jews of genocide. The facts simply do not support this claim. It is just more Jew-hating propaganda - an attempt to rebrand Nazism as woke by chanting idiotic slogans.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 4:14pm:

Jew-baiting is a crime in Australia... our Jews are part of the furniture.... been here for yonks...

What is "Jew baiting" ?

The topic of the day in the UN is the genocide in Gaza, and how to end it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 18^th, 2023 at 7:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 18^th, 2023 at 4:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 18^th, 2023 at 3:32pm:

It's the first step in their genocide plan - "nip it in the bud".

The thing is, Israel hasn't nipped the Hamas threat in the bud - Hamas is a full-blown monster.
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Indeed.

Destroying Hamas is not easy.

Genocide is easier.

Thus, they've started murdering babies, women, and children.

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:39pm:

I find murder and genocide abhorrent, maybe it's just me...

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

However, the IDF is also committing horrendous war crimes/genocide, and they need to be condemned as well.

Even the 'mainstream' media:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_genocide_accusation

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/11/12/genocide-in-gaza-a-call-for-urgent-global-action

https://unric.org/en/palestine-preventing-a-genocide-in-gaza-and-a-new-nakba/

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Re: Gaza: genocide?
Reply #1 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:00pm

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 3:55pm:

There are plenty of people who like to accuse the Jews of genocide. The facts simply do not support this claim. It is just more Jew-hating propaganda - an attempt to rebrand Nazism as woke by chanting idiotic slogans.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 4:14pm:

Jew-baiting is a crime in Australia... our Jews are part of the furniture.... been here for yonks...

What is "Jew baiting" ?

The topic of the day in the UN is the genocide in Gaza, and how to end it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 18^th, 2023 at 7:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 18^th, 2023 at 4:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 18^th, 2023 at 3:32pm:

It's the first step in their genocide plan - "nip it in the bud".

The thing is, Israel hasn't nipped the Hamas threat in the bud - Hamas is a full-blown monster.
...

Indeed.

Destroying Hamas is not easy.

Genocide is easier.

Thus, they've started murdering babies, women, and children.

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:39pm:

I find murder and genocide abhorrent, maybe it's just me...

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

However, the IDF is also committing horrendous war crimes/genocide, and they need to be condemned as well.

Even the 'mainstream' media:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_genocide_accusation

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/11/12/genocide-in-gaza-a-call-for-urgent-global-action

https://unric.org/en/palestine-preventing-a-genocide-in-gaza-and-a-new-nakba/

Note: Mandate Palestine should never have been partitioned, just as British India should never have been partitioned.

There is a difference between ethnic cleansing via expulsion, and population reduction via genocide (by either side).

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52918 At my desk.	Re: Gaza: genocide? Reply #2 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:14pm Do you accuse the Jews of committing genocide?
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Re: Gaza: genocide?
Reply #3 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:16pm

Genocide doesn't necessarily mean killing every last person.

In fact, it doesn't have to involve killing at all.

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with
intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as
such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The IDF is quite obviously committing genocide.

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Reply #4 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:27pm

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 3:55pm:

There are plenty of people who like to accuse the Jews of genocide. The facts simply do not support this claim. It is just more Jew-hating propaganda - an attempt to rebrand Nazism as woke by chanting idiotic slogans.

Yes, those idiots say, it was ‘horrendous’, on 7 October, but it was ‘not a crime related to the Holocaust in any way’.
Their reasoning? Well, in the mid-20th century it was ‘powerless Jews’ being killed by ‘one of the most powerful states and armies’ – the Nazis. This time round, we have a ‘very powerful state’ – Israel – being attacked by ‘Palestinians who for decades [have been] under Israeli settler-colonial rule’. So it’s a ‘very, very different context’.

This is one of the most morally vacuous statements I have heard in a very long time. It is proof, surely, of the mind rot that flows from the Western identitarian obsession with power relations. For the truth is that on 7 October it was ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by a ‘powerful army’. In that pogrom, that moment, unarmed Jews were completely overpowered by a racist militia. Anyone who has witnessed the summary execution of two teenage girls at the music festival, or the bombing to death of an unarmed dad trying to shield his two sons, or the shooting of an elderly Jew in his kitchen, will know that, once again, yes, ‘powerless Jews’ were murdered for being Jews. No, it was not the Holocaust. Hamas, mercifully, is incapable of carrying out such industrial levels of murder. But the idea that ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by racists in 2023 is entirely different to ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by racists in 1943 is a wilful delusion born of brains poisoned by wokeness.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/22/accusing-israel-of-genocide-is-despicab...

"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" IS the call for genocide, as heard in every western city, from Sydney, Melbourne to London and New York.

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Reply #7 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:21pm

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:27pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 3:55pm:

There are plenty of people who like to accuse the Jews of genocide. The facts simply do not support this claim. It is just more Jew-hating propaganda - an attempt to rebrand Nazism as woke by chanting idiotic slogans.

Yes, those idiots say, it was ‘horrendous’, on 7 October, but it was ‘not a crime related to the Holocaust in any way’.
Their reasoning? Well, in the mid-20th century it was ‘powerless Jews’ being killed by ‘one of the most powerful states and armies’ – the Nazis. This time round, we have a ‘very powerful state’ – Israel – being attacked by ‘Palestinians who for decades [have been] under Israeli settler-colonial rule’. So it’s a ‘very, very different context’.

This is one of the most morally vacuous statements I have heard in a very long time. It is proof, surely, of the mind rot that flows from the Western identitarian obsession with power relations. For the truth is that on 7 October it was ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by a ‘powerful army’. In that pogrom, that moment, unarmed Jews were completely overpowered by a racist militia. Anyone who has witnessed the summary execution of two teenage girls at the music festival, or the bombing to death of an unarmed dad trying to shield his two sons, or the shooting of an elderly Jew in his kitchen, will know that, once again, yes, ‘powerless Jews’ were murdered for being Jews. No, it was not the Holocaust. Hamas, mercifully, is incapable of carrying out such industrial levels of murder. But the idea that ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by racists in 2023 is entirely different to ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by racists in 1943 is a wilful delusion born of brains poisoned by wokeness.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/22/accusing-israel-of-genocide-is-despicab...

"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" IS the call for genocide, as heard in every western city, from Sydney, Melbourne to London and New York.

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it was ‘horrendous’, on 7 October, but it was ‘not a crime related to the Holocaust in any way’.

No people have from the start said that it was ‘horrendous’ - unqualified.

Though it is correct that there is no association with the Holocaust no more than their holocaust like response in Palestine is related to the Holocaust. That's just silly.

The proper response it to be critical of all the atrocities no mater who is behind them.

Here we have 2 wrongs and 0 rights.

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Re: Gaza: genocide?
Reply #8 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

Genocide doesn't necessarily mean killing every last person.

In fact, it doesn't have to involve killing at all.

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with
intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as
such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The IDF is quite obviously committing genocide.

And so is a schoolyard bully.

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Re: Gaza: genocide?
Reply #9 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 7:37pm

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

Genocide doesn't necessarily mean killing every last person.

In fact, it doesn't have to involve killing at all.

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with
intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as
such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The IDF is quite obviously committing genocide.

And so is a schoolyard bully.

You think genocide is a laughing matter? Undecided

Oh dear.

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Re: Gaza: genocide?
Reply #10 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 7:38pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:27pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 3:55pm:

There are plenty of people who like to accuse the Jews of genocide. The facts simply do not support this claim. It is just more Jew-hating propaganda - an attempt to rebrand Nazism as woke by chanting idiotic slogans.

Yes, those idiots say, it was ‘horrendous’, on 7 October, but it was ‘not a crime related to the Holocaust in any way’.
Their reasoning? Well, in the mid-20th century it was ‘powerless Jews’ being killed by ‘one of the most powerful states and armies’ – the Nazis. This time round, we have a ‘very powerful state’ – Israel – being attacked by ‘Palestinians who for decades [have been] under Israeli settler-colonial rule’. So it’s a ‘very, very different context’.

This is one of the most morally vacuous statements I have heard in a very long time. It is proof, surely, of the mind rot that flows from the Western identitarian obsession with power relations. For the truth is that on 7 October it was ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by a ‘powerful army’. In that pogrom, that moment, unarmed Jews were completely overpowered by a racist militia. Anyone who has witnessed the summary execution of two teenage girls at the music festival, or the bombing to death of an unarmed dad trying to shield his two sons, or the shooting of an elderly Jew in his kitchen, will know that, once again, yes, ‘powerless Jews’ were murdered for being Jews. No, it was not the Holocaust. Hamas, mercifully, is incapable of carrying out such industrial levels of murder. But the idea that ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by racists in 2023 is entirely different to ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by racists in 1943 is a wilful delusion born of brains poisoned by wokeness.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/22/accusing-israel-of-genocide-is-despicab...

"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" IS the call for genocide, as heard in every western city, from Sydney, Melbourne to London and New York.

Quote:

it was ‘horrendous’, on 7 October, but it was ‘not a crime related to the Holocaust in any way’.

No people have from the start said that it was ‘horrendous’ - unqualified.

Though it is correct that there is no association with the Holocaust no more than their holocaust like response in Palestine is related to the Holocaust. That's just silly.

The proper response it to be critical of all the atrocities no mater who is behind them.

Here we have 2 wrongs and 0 rights.

How would YOU respond to 7 October, duckwit?

Other than gorging on peas. What is the CORRECT response to what Gazans did on 7 October?

Do tell us.

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Re: Gaza: genocide?
Reply #11 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 7:40pm

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 7:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:27pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 3:55pm:

There are plenty of people who like to accuse the Jews of genocide. The facts simply do not support this claim. It is just more Jew-hating propaganda - an attempt to rebrand Nazism as woke by chanting idiotic slogans.

Yes, those idiots say, it was ‘horrendous’, on 7 October, but it was ‘not a crime related to the Holocaust in any way’.
Their reasoning? Well, in the mid-20th century it was ‘powerless Jews’ being killed by ‘one of the most powerful states and armies’ – the Nazis. This time round, we have a ‘very powerful state’ – Israel – being attacked by ‘Palestinians who for decades [have been] under Israeli settler-colonial rule’. So it’s a ‘very, very different context’.

This is one of the most morally vacuous statements I have heard in a very long time. It is proof, surely, of the mind rot that flows from the Western identitarian obsession with power relations. For the truth is that on 7 October it was ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by a ‘powerful army’. In that pogrom, that moment, unarmed Jews were completely overpowered by a racist militia. Anyone who has witnessed the summary execution of two teenage girls at the music festival, or the bombing to death of an unarmed dad trying to shield his two sons, or the shooting of an elderly Jew in his kitchen, will know that, once again, yes, ‘powerless Jews’ were murdered for being Jews. No, it was not the Holocaust. Hamas, mercifully, is incapable of carrying out such industrial levels of murder. But the idea that ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by racists in 2023 is entirely different to ‘powerless Jews’ being murdered by racists in 1943 is a wilful delusion born of brains poisoned by wokeness.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/22/accusing-israel-of-genocide-is-despicab...

"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" IS the call for genocide, as heard in every western city, from Sydney, Melbourne to London and New York.

Quote:

it was ‘horrendous’, on 7 October, but it was ‘not a crime related to the Holocaust in any way’.

No people have from the start said that it was ‘horrendous’ - unqualified.

Though it is correct that there is no association with the Holocaust no more than their holocaust like response in Palestine is related to the Holocaust. That's just silly.

The proper response it to be critical of all the atrocities no mater who is behind them.

Here we have 2 wrongs and 0 rights.

How would YOU respond to 7 October, duckwit?

Easy.

Don't blow up hospitals and lie about Hamas hiding in them.

Don't murder children.

Don't murder pregnant women.

That's a pretty good start.

How many more babies do you want to see murdered? I'm curious.

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Reply #12 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 7:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 7:37pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

Genocide doesn't necessarily mean killing every last person.

In fact, it doesn't have to involve killing at all.

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with
intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as
such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The IDF is quite obviously committing genocide.

And so is a schoolyard bully.

You think genocide is a laughing matter? Undecided

Oh dear.

What is the korrekt response to the 7 October pogrom, repulsive, vomitous creep? What would YOU have done in response, skincrawling, lying, repellent shite?

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Re: Gaza: genocide?
Reply #13 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 7:44pm

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 7:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 7:37pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

Genocide doesn't necessarily mean killing every last person.

In fact, it doesn't have to involve killing at all.

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with
intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as
such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The IDF is quite obviously committing genocide.

And so is a schoolyard bully.

You think genocide is a laughing matter? Undecided

Oh dear.

What is the korrekt response to the 7 October pogrom, repulsive, vomitous creep? What would YOU have done in response, skincrawling, lying, repellent shite?

Easy.

Don't blow up hospitals and lie about Hamas hiding in them.

Don't murder children.

Don't murder pregnant women.

That's a pretty good start.

How many more babies do you want to see murdered? I'm curious.

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