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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #45 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:05pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Some of the song lyrics use poetic license.

Like:

And Frankie kicked a mine
The day that mankind kicked the moon
God help me - he was goin' home in June.

Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon on 20th July 1969.

And Frankie was going home in June 1970.

Was he?

The point of the lyric was that he was almost set to go home - a year later doesn't cut it.

You need to provide evidence.

Get back to me when you can Wink

Again: no year is mentioned.

The mood of the song includes the urgency of the moment.

Going home in June of the next year meant he had 11 long months to step on mines (when every step could be your last one on two legs).

Indeed.

But do you have evidence that "Some of the song lyrics use poetic license"?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moon rhymes with June.

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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #46 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:06pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Some of the song lyrics use poetic license.

Like:

And Frankie kicked a mine
The day that mankind kicked the moon
God help me - he was goin' home in June.

Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon on 20th July 1969.

And Frankie was going home in June 1970.

Was he?

The point of the lyric was that he was almost set to go home - a year later doesn't cut it.

You need to provide evidence.

Get back to me when you can Wink

Again: no year is mentioned.

The mood of the song includes the urgency of the moment.

Going home in June of the next year meant he had 11 long months to step on mines (when every step could be your last one on two legs).

Indeed.

But do you have evidence that "Some of the song lyrics use poetic license"?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

June rhymes with Moon.

HAHAHA!!!
Meister Eccy just kicked Peccary's butt. Grin

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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #47 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:08pm

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:36pm:

The Strine originates from the Irish speaking Irish

It's more complicated than that.

The convicts and settlers from 1788 to the mid-19th century came from every part of the UK and Ireland, each with their own regional accents.

The Australian accent was born of the need for a 'lingua franca' among UK- and Irish-descent inhabitants of New Holland.

The term 'strine' is a recent (1965) reference to the broad Australian accent.

There are many 'accents' here in Australia from long ago.
Just as there are States & Territories.
Nothing is overly uniform here. The 'formal' description of Strine is just an 'umbrella' description for lack of really doing some research. You could say a Federal minded person wrote it up that way.
Their accents are very different like Julia Gillard's SA accent to Pauline Hanson's QLD accent - even though they're both 'Rangas'.

Shumann's Strine accent is also like the Sea Shanty songs like Bound for South Australia originally. That too is Strine, but more closer to the Irish accent as if still stuck at sea and not landed on 'australian'.

Strine is a reference to the broad Australian accent and is as uniform across the country as accents get in the Anglosphere.

Not from what I hear.
And when it comes to 'accents', I can trust better to what I 'hear', than read.

Many peoples in the UK and Ireland can barely understand each other from either end of a street, let alone regional or national accents.

There is no strine speaker who is unintelligible to any other strine speaker anywhere in Australia.

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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #48 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Some of the song lyrics use poetic license.

Like:

And Frankie kicked a mine
The day that mankind kicked the moon
God help me - he was goin' home in June.

Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon on 20th July 1969.

And Frankie was going home in June 1970.

Was he?

The point of the lyric was that he was almost set to go home - a year later doesn't cut it.

You need to provide evidence.

Get back to me when you can Wink

Again: no year is mentioned.

The mood of the song includes the urgency of the moment.

Going home in June of the next year meant he had 11 long months to step on mines (when every step could be your last one on two legs).

Indeed.

But do you have evidence that "Some of the song lyrics use poetic license"?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moon rhymes with June.

Your white flag has been accepted.

Do you even know what poetic license is?

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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #49 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:10pm

Agnes. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:23pm:

I love that song so much! It's perfect.!

I agree.

It is a great song of an eternal sentiment, expressed in a particular context of Australian experience and vernacular.

I am glad they re- recorded it and that they did so because it speaks to their hearts and souls. The lyrics are not 'updated', the pronouns are not adjusted, 'they/them were only 19'.

And that just shows the seriousness and lasting meaning of the song and the utter ridiculousness and ephemeral nature of the compulsive 'updaters' of our lives.

I want to see the song performed by Aborigine, Chinese, Indian, Irish, Vietnamese, Italian diggers who WERE in a war for Australia, and by their sons and daughters.

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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #50 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Some of the song lyrics use poetic license.

Like:

And Frankie kicked a mine
The day that mankind kicked the moon
God help me - he was goin' home in June.

Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon on 20th July 1969.

And Frankie was going home in June 1970.

Was he?

You tell me.

What year is mentioned in the song lyrics?

The onus is on you to prove your claim.

You forfeited your first claim to question Peccary by providing this highlighted sentence as your 'counterclaim' to it being based on the 'year' specifically.
In other words Peccary, you asked then forfeited (before he answered it) it by 'FLINCHING' by putting forth your 'answer' (in regards to it being based on year) as to why you originally 'disagree' - so therefore, you have to cough it up first. Grin

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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #51 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:15pm

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Some of the song lyrics use poetic license.

Like:

And Frankie kicked a mine
The day that mankind kicked the moon
God help me - he was goin' home in June.

Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon on 20th July 1969.

And Frankie was going home in June 1970.

Was he?

You tell me.

What year is mentioned in the song lyrics?

The onus is on you to prove your claim.

You forfeited your first claim to question Peccary by providing this highlighted sentence as your 'counterclaim' to it being based on the 'year' specifically.

The year, month and day the lyric refers to is obvious: 20th July 1969.

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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #53 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:08pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:36pm:

The Strine originates from the Irish speaking Irish

It's more complicated than that.

The convicts and settlers from 1788 to the mid-19th century came from every part of the UK and Ireland, each with their own regional accents.

The Australian accent was born of the need for a 'lingua franca' among UK- and Irish-descent inhabitants of New Holland.

The term 'strine' is a recent (1965) reference to the broad Australian accent.

There are many 'accents' here in Australia from long ago.
Just as there are States & Territories.
Nothing is overly uniform here. The 'formal' description of Strine is just an 'umbrella' description for lack of really doing some research. You could say a Federal minded person wrote it up that way.
Their accents are very different like Julia Gillard's SA accent to Pauline Hanson's QLD accent - even though they're both 'Rangas'.

Shumann's Strine accent is also like the Sea Shanty songs like Bound for South Australia originally. That too is Strine, but more closer to the Irish accent as if still stuck at sea and not landed on 'australian'.

Strine is a reference to the broad Australian accent and is as uniform across the country as accents get in the Anglosphere.

Not from what I hear.
And when it comes to 'accents', I can trust better to what I 'hear', than read.

Many peoples in the UK and Ireland can barely understand each other from either end of a street, let alone regional or national accents.

There is no strine speaker who is unintelligible to any other strine speaker anywhere in Australia.

*sigh
It has nothing to do with 'understanding the accent', it's just accepting it for what it is. A case of the Sea Shanty Strine singers sounded 'more Irish' than the Strine that Schumann sang with that was probably more evolved under the influence of other 'accents' around as well. But every and any accent has a beginning. Irish was were Strine 'evolved' from specifically, more than any other 'ancestral' accent getting around at the time.

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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #54 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:16pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Some of the song lyrics use poetic license.

Like:

And Frankie kicked a mine
The day that mankind kicked the moon
God help me - he was goin' home in June.

Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon on 20th July 1969.

And Frankie was going home in June 1970.

Was he?

The point of the lyric was that he was almost set to go home - a year later doesn't cut it.

You need to provide evidence.

Get back to me when you can Wink

Again: no year is mentioned.

The mood of the song includes the urgency of the moment.

Going home in June of the next year meant he had 11 long months to step on mines (when every step could be your last one on two legs).

Indeed.

But do you have evidence that "Some of the song lyrics use poetic license"?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moon rhymes with June.

Your white flag has been accepted.

Do you even know what poetic license is?

Your white flag has already been accepted in good faith.

You made an honest mistake - that's fine.

Continuing to push the issue is only making you look worse.

Wink

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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #56 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:19pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:15pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Some of the song lyrics use poetic license.

Like:

And Frankie kicked a mine
The day that mankind kicked the moon
God help me - he was goin' home in June.

Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon on 20th July 1969.

And Frankie was going home in June 1970.

Was he?

You tell me.

What year is mentioned in the song lyrics?

The onus is on you to prove your claim.

You forfeited your first claim to question Peccary by providing this highlighted sentence as your 'counterclaim' to it being based on the 'year' specifically.

The year, month and day the lyric refers to is obvious: 20th July 1969.

And the year, month and day he was going home?

Wink

White flag accepted, folded, and put away.

Thank you for playing.

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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #58 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:22pm

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:15pm:

It has nothing to do with 'understanding the accent', it's just accepting it for what it is. A case of the Sea Shanty Strine singers sounded 'more Irish' than the Strine that Schumann sang with that was probably more evolved under the influence of other 'accents' around as well. But every and any accent has a beginning. Irish was were Strine 'evolved' from specifically, more than any other 'ancestral' accent getting around at the time.

The Abroad Australian accent is a bit like Shakespeare's English when it is spoken in the accent of 16th-century London - which was a melting pot of accents - every English speaker of the Anglosphere outside the UK and Ireland can recognise their own accent in it.

The broad Australian accent (strine) began as a compromise of multiple UK and Irish regional accents.

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Re: I Was Only Nineteen - New Release
Reply #59 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:19pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:15pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Some of the song lyrics use poetic license.

Like:

And Frankie kicked a mine
The day that mankind kicked the moon
God help me - he was goin' home in June.

Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon on 20th July 1969.

And Frankie was going home in June 1970.

Was he?

You tell me.

What year is mentioned in the song lyrics?

The onus is on you to prove your claim.

You forfeited your first claim to question Peccary by providing this highlighted sentence as your 'counterclaim' to it being based on the 'year' specifically.

The year, month and day the lyric refers to is obvious: 20th July 1969.

And the year, month and day he was going home?

Wink

White flag accepted, folded, and put away.

Thank you for playing.

You say you're a muso... What did you do? Peel oranges for them?

You've never spoken to a lyricist in your life.

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