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Nov 4th, 2023 at 12:23pm
 
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A new study led by the University of Oxford has overturned the view that natural rock weathering acts as a CO2 sink, indicating instead that this can also act as a large CO2 source, rivalling that of volcanoes. The results, published today in the journal Nature, have important implications for modelling climate change scenarios.

Rocks contain an enormous store of carbon in the ancient remains of plants and animals that lived millions of years ago. This means that the “geological carbon cycle” acts as a thermostat that helps to regulate the Earth’s temperature. For instance, during chemical weathering rocks can suck up CO2 when certain minerals are attacked by the weak acid found in rainwater. This process helps to counteract the continuous CO2 released by volcanoes around the world, and forms part of Earth’s natural carbon cycle that has helped keep the surface habitable to life for a billion years or more.

However, for the first time this new study measured an additional natural process of CO2 release from rocks to the atmosphere, finding that it is as significant as the CO2 released from volcanoes around the world. Currently, this process is not included in most models of the natural carbon cycle.

The process occurs when rocks that formed on ancient seafloors (where plants and animals were buried in sediments) are pushed back up to Earth’s surface, for example when mountains like the Himalayas or Andes form. This exposes the organic carbon in the rocks to oxygen in the air and water, which can react and release CO2. This means that weathering rocks could be a source of CO2, rather than the commonly assumed sink.

Up to now, measuring the release of this CO2 from weathering organic carbon in rocks has proved difficult. In the new study, the researchers used a tracer element (rhenium) which is released into water when rock organic carbon reacts with oxygen. Sampling river water to measure rhenium levels makes it possible to quantify CO2 release. However, sampling all river water in the world to get a global estimate would be a significant challenge.

To upscale over Earth’s surface, the researchers did two things. First, they worked out how much organic carbon is present in rocks near the surface. Second, they worked out where these were being exposed most rapidly, by erosion in steep, mountain locations.

Dr Jesse Zondervan, the researcher who led the study at the Department of Earth Sciences, University of Oxford, said: “The challenge was then how to combine these global maps with the river data, while considering uncertainties. We fed all of our data into a supercomputer at Oxford, simulating the complex interplay of physical, chemical, and hydrological processes. By piecing together this vast planetary jigsaw, we could finally estimate the total carbon dioxide emitted as these rocks weather and exhale their ancient carbon into the air."

This could then be compared to how much CO2 could be drawn down by natural rock weathering of silicate minerals. The results identified many large areas where weathering was a CO2 source, challenging the current view about how weathering impacts the carbon cycle. Hotspots of CO2 release were concentrated in mountain ranges with high uplift rates that cause sedimentary rocks to be exposed, such as the eastern Himalayas, the Rocky Mountains, and the Andes. The global CO2 release from rock organic carbon weathering was found to be 68 megatons of carbon per year.


https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1003520
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Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2023 at 1:37pm
 
Besides Volcanic eruptions. The process of release or intake of CO2 by rocks would be a very very very slow process over thousands of years to be of any effect, no?
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Reply #2 - Nov 4th, 2023 at 2:03pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 4th, 2023 at 12:23pm:
The global CO2 release from rock organic carbon weathering was found to be 68 megatons of carbon per year.
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Reply #3 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 11:24am
 
Man’s emissions are in excess of 30 gigatons a year.
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Reply #4 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 1:51pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 11:24am:
Man’s emissions are in excess of 30 gigatons a year.



Link?

In this forum you need to quote evidence.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 3:14pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 11:24am:
Man’s emissions are in excess of 30 gigatons a year.


And? It is not in the climate models which you favour. Probably in the assumptive emissions. Wink
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Reply #6 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 3:18pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 4th, 2023 at 12:23pm:
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A new study led by the University of Oxford has overturned the view that natural rock weathering acts as a CO2 sink, indicating instead that this can also act as a large CO2 source, rivalling that of volcanoes. The results, published today in the journal Nature, have important implications for modelling climate change scenarios.

Rocks contain an enormous store of carbon in the ancient remains of plants and animals that lived millions of years ago. This means that the “geological carbon cycle” acts as a thermostat that helps to regulate the Earth’s temperature. For instance, during chemical weathering rocks can suck up CO2 when certain minerals are attacked by the weak acid found in rainwater. This process helps to counteract the continuous CO2 released by volcanoes around the world, and forms part of Earth’s natural carbon cycle that has helped keep the surface habitable to life for a billion years or more.

However, for the first time this new study measured an additional natural process of CO2 release from rocks to the atmosphere, finding that it is as significant as the CO2 released from volcanoes around the world. Currently, this process is not included in most models of the natural carbon cycle.

The process occurs when rocks that formed on ancient seafloors (where plants and animals were buried in sediments) are pushed back up to Earth’s surface, for example when mountains like the Himalayas or Andes form. This exposes the organic carbon in the rocks to oxygen in the air and water, which can react and release CO2. This means that weathering rocks could be a source of CO2, rather than the commonly assumed sink.

Up to now, measuring the release of this CO2 from weathering organic carbon in rocks has proved difficult. In the new study, the researchers used a tracer element (rhenium) which is released into water when rock organic carbon reacts with oxygen. Sampling river water to measure rhenium levels makes it possible to quantify CO2 release. However, sampling all river water in the world to get a global estimate would be a significant challenge.

To upscale over Earth’s surface, the researchers did two things. First, they worked out how much organic carbon is present in rocks near the surface. Second, they worked out where these were being exposed most rapidly, by erosion in steep, mountain locations.

Dr Jesse Zondervan, the researcher who led the study at the Department of Earth Sciences, University of Oxford, said: “The challenge was then how to combine these global maps with the river data, while considering uncertainties. We fed all of our data into a supercomputer at Oxford, simulating the complex interplay of physical, chemical, and hydrological processes. By piecing together this vast planetary jigsaw, we could finally estimate the total carbon dioxide emitted as these rocks weather and exhale their ancient carbon into the air."

This could then be compared to how much CO2 could be drawn down by natural rock weathering of silicate minerals. The results identified many large areas where weathering was a CO2 source, challenging the current view about how weathering impacts the carbon cycle. Hotspots of CO2 release were concentrated in mountain ranges with high uplift rates that cause sedimentary rocks to be exposed, such as the eastern Himalayas, the Rocky Mountains, and the Andes. The global CO2 release from rock organic carbon weathering was found to be 68 megatons of carbon per year.


https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1003520



Dumb rocks are causing the climate  crisis! How dare they?

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Reply #7 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 3:21pm
 
Dumb rocks are not playing much of a role in AGW.

60+ megatons

is nothing compared to

30+ gigatons.


I understand conservative asshats may not know the difference between mega and giga. Let Google be your friend.
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Reply #8 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 3:29pm
 
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Reply #9 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 3:35pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 3:21pm:
Dumb rocks are not playing much of a role in AGW.

60+ megatons

is nothing compared to

30+ gigatons.


I understand conservative asshats may not know the difference between mega and giga. Let Google be your friend.


What other aspects of the very complex global climate system are  not in the models?? How much do volcanos emit, including unidentified, unmapped undersea volcanos?
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Reply #10 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 3:36pm
 
About 3% of our emissions.
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Reply #11 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 4:12pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 3:36pm:
About 3% of our emissions.


And that is only a guesstimate on "our" emissions. Wink

But perhaps you can quantify ocean outgassing, that too is a guesstimate.
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Reply #12 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 4:18pm
 
A “guestimate” says lees who thought 60+ megatons was a big deal?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

How do you think we arrive at the 30+ gigatons figure lees?

Maybe working out the emissions from the known amounts of coal, oil, gas burned eh?  Wink

How do mega and giga relate lees? Do you know? Then enlighten Sore End who doesn’t.
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Reply #13 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 4:29pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 4:18pm:
A “guestimate” says lees who thought 60+ megatons was a big deal?


Only you assumed I thought it a big deal. Roll Eyes

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 4:18pm:
How do you think we arrive at the 30+ gigatons figure lees?


It is an estimate. A guesstimate.

"Countries report their emissions through what is known as a ‘bottom up’ approach, where national emissions are estimated by combining data on types of activity with the emissions typically produced by those activities"

https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/how-do-countries-measure-greenhouse-...

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 4:18pm:
Maybe working out the emissions from the known amounts of coal, oil, gas burned eh?


And then there are the unknown or unreported or misreported emissions.  Roll Eyes

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 4:18pm:
Do you know?


Yes petal. But do you? Roll Eyes

Edit: "To see the magnitude of the issue, consider that the average emissions intensity for Australia’s black-coal-fired plants is around 0.9 kg of CO₂ per kilowatt-hour, while Victoria’s brown coal plants run at 1.2-1.5 kg of CO₂ per kilowatt-hour"

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They use an average because there is no set CO2 emissions from coal. Roll Eyes
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LOL!
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