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Re: The Beatles - Now and Then
Reply #15 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 3:27pm

Sophia wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

[ Walrus song is mainly in A & E major so it has a more upbeat cheery sound to it.

Interesting you find it cheery!

I've always found I Am the Walrus to be captivating in a disturbing and haunting way. Like a vision of Vincent Van Gogh in his mad moments put to music.

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Reply #16 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:10pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 3:27pm:

Sophia wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

[ Walrus song is mainly in A & E major so it has a more upbeat cheery sound to it.

Interesting you find it cheery!

I've always found I Am the Walrus to be captivating in a disturbing and haunting way. Like a vision of Vincent Van Gogh in his mad moments put to music.

Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come...

Yellow matter custard dripping from a dead dog's eye

Semolina Pilchard Climbing up the Eiffel tower

Man, you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allen Poe

Yes it’s a mad song Grin

Admittedly there’s this part that winds right down and then…

….lifted by the crescendo of …

I am the egg man
They are the egg men
I am the walrus
Goo goo g'joob

Two of the saddest Beatles songs I always thought were Eleanor Rigby and Yesterday.

There’s a remake with Paul … I will find it…
Love the violins in this!

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Reply #17 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:19pm

Sophia wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 3:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 2:55pm:

I thought it was dull, boring and monotonous.

If you heard that being sung by some mob you had never heard of, you would stop listening pretty quickly.

It is full of sad chords.
What a pity that a more uplifting song was not written instead.

There is also a version that is transposed into a C major chord with that song done by John Lennon at the time. I think the minor chord sadder sound suits the memories…since 2 Beatles have passed.

Lennon meant it to sound sad - that's why he chose minor chords.

I think he was depressed when he wrote it.

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Reply #18 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:34pm

I'm a big Beatles fan, but don't particularly like Lennon's solo stuff. Was never a big fan of Lennon as a person either.

This song is a Lennon song (i.e. written by John), and it's not that great in my personal opinion (I like the chord progression, but Lennon's voice is just awful).

Like Rick (below) though, I'm glad it's out there.

If it makes people happy, then I'm all for it.

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Reply #19 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:35pm

Ah! Two songs with a bit of controversy to them!

McCarthey was sure he made up the name 'Eleanor Rigby' despite there being an Eleanor Rigby buried (not along with her name as it turned out!) at St Peter's Graveyard in Woolton, where Lennon and Mccartney would walk through.

Then there's 'Yesterday' and the spat between Lennon and McCartney, with Lennon insisting it was his song. In retrospect, it sounds nothing like a Lennon song of the era.

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Sophia Gold Member Offline Posts: 9735	Re: The Beatles - Now and Then Reply #20 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:42pm And whilst I’m madly you-tubing enjoying randomness of songs past… This by George Harrison… and I’m in a bit of shock… he passed in 2001? But… but… it only feels like … … not that long ago! Anyway… I love the photos in this clip…George had a good looking ruggedness about him as he aged.
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Reply #22 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:49pm

I saw Paul live in concert right before COVID hit - it was a brilliant show.

I didn't go to see him this time around though because I think he's past it now.

The same goes for Springsteen and the Stones - I've seen them both live many, many times but I wouldn't go again as I believe their best work is behind them now.

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Reply #23 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:51pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:43pm:

Anyone see Paul McCartney while he was here?

I saw him with Wings at the Opera House many years ago back when the acoustics were pretty bad so that was disappointing.

I listened to a few YouTube clips of his current Australian performances this time around and I honestly thought he should be retired and not touring.

It's the same for most live concerts -

you can never get that perfect studio sound.

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Reply #24 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:51pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:43pm:

Anyone see Paul McCartney while he was here?

I saw him with Wings at the Opera House many years ago back when the acoustics were pretty bad so that was disappointing.

I listened to a few YouTube clips of his current Australian performances this time around and I honestly thought he should be retired and not touring.

It's the same for most live concerts -

you can never get that perfect studio sound.

I've been to many many concerts that were awesome. I'm certainly not expecting a studio sound.

He's 81 though and his voice is weak.

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Reply #25 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:56pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

Then there's 'Yesterday' and the spat between Lennon and McCartney, with Lennon insisting it was his song. In retrospect, it sounds nothing like a Lennon song of the era.

Then there's the story about McCartney, having been arrested in Japan for Marijuana possession, and the cops playing 'Yesterday' over and over again in his cell - with McCartney certain it had been organised by Lennon through Yoko Ono to take the piss out of McCartney while he was stuck in lock-up.

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Reply #26 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 5:23pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:51pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:43pm:

Anyone see Paul McCartney while he was here?

I saw him with Wings at the Opera House many years ago back when the acoustics were pretty bad so that was disappointing.

I listened to a few YouTube clips of his current Australian performances this time around and I honestly thought he should be retired and not touring.

It's the same for most live concerts -

you can never get that perfect studio sound.

I've been to many many concerts that were awesome. I'm certainly not expecting a studio sound.

He's 81 though and his voice is weak.

The best concerts are where they don't even try to copy the studio sound -
they ad lib and do their own thing -
every time it's different.

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Re: The Beatles - Now and Then
Reply #27 - Nov 4^th, 2023 at 5:32pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 4:43pm:

Anyone see Paul McCartney while he was here?

I saw him with Wings at the Opera House many years ago back when the acoustics were pretty bad so that was disappointing.

I listened to a few YouTube clips of his current Australian performances this time around and I honestly thought he should be retired and not touring.

a customer saw him in Newcastle last week. Said it was great

Just another thing you got wrong Cheesy

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Reply #28 - Nov 5^th, 2023 at 6:50am

Well, having seen the thrashing this song has got in just 2 days, I'd have to say the song's ultimate effect is creepy.

Here's why.

1. The song was almost certainly written and composed by Lennon for Yoko Ono while he was in a state of deep depression.

2. Images of him towards the end of the '70s show him completely emaciated - likely caused by his anxiety about abandonment which had plagued him all his life, and was now sapping his life energy.

3. The meaning of, and the impetus to, write the song was reimagined by McCartney to be about missing his Beatles band members - not what Lennon likely had in mind for the song - if he even expected it to ever be released to the public.

4. The video features a Lennon 'resurrected' from the dead with images that contradict the song's mood and adds the creepy element of anachronism - Lennon's image is of a man in his 20s to early 30s (and acting like a teenager) with Starr and McCartney nearly 3 times that age. Imagine if the same was done to a long-dead friend or sibling... What would you still have in common with someone who's resurrected after more years of being dead than ever being alive?

5. The video unashamedly capitalises on Lennon's youthful charisma to emotionally manipulate those who are susceptible to sentimentality and nostalgia - which, in the case of the Beatles, can be counted in the hundreds of millions.

There's a reason why many cultures seek to obliterate the memory of the dead: to prevent their spirit from haunting the living.

Creepy.

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Reply #29 - Nov 5^th, 2023 at 8:12am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 3:27pm:

Sophia wrote on Nov 4^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

[ Walrus song is mainly in A & E major so it has a more upbeat cheery sound to it.

Interesting you find it cheery!

Meant to add… it’s not a cheery song in its own, but more cheery than Now and Then.
For some reason, I could never make up my mind if I liked the walrus song or not, in fact it was never a song I purposely ever chose to play or listen to.

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