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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #75 - Nov 23^rd, 2023 at 10:30am

And...

...while aquascoot believes this section of OzPolitic should be closed because Covid is such a tiny problem (and keeps going on about "personal responsibility" Grin

) back in the real world we have this:

COVID cases are surging again but there are lots of ways to protect yourself — starting with wearing a mask

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Unfortunately, SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID), has not mutated into just a trivial cold.

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As well as causing symptoms in the initial phase — which can be especially serious for people who are vulnerable — the virus can lead to chronic illness in people of any age and health status due to its ability to affect blood vessels, the heart, lungs, brain and immune system.

COVID and its ongoing effects are contributing to substantial disability in society. Loss of productivity due to long COVID is affecting workforce and economies.

While public messaging to "live with COVID" has seemingly encouraged us to move on from the pandemic, SARS-CoV-2 has other ideas. It has continued to mutate, become more contagious, and to evade the protection offered by vaccines.

COVID is not endemic, but is an epidemic virus like influenza or measles, so we can expect waves to keep coming. With this in mind, it's definitely worth protecting yourself — particularly when cases are rising.

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We know SARS-CoV-2 transmits through the air we breathe. We also know a lot of the transmission risk is from people without symptoms, so you can't tell who around you is infectious. This provides strong rationale for universal masking during periods of high transmission.

Need to print that out and stick it on every hand sanitiser 'station' in shopping centres around Australia.

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Masks do work. A Cochrane review suggesting they don't was flawed and subject to an apology.

Masks work equally to protecting others and protecting you. By visualising human exhalations too tiny to see with the naked eye, my colleagues and I showed how masks prevent outward emissions and how each layer of a mask improves this.

The most protective kind of mask is a respirator or N95, but any mask protects more than no mask.

Wearing a mask when visiting health-care or aged-care facilities is important. Wearing a mask at the shops, on public transport and in other crowded indoor settings will improve your chances of having a COVID-free Christmas.

(The highlighted part is for Baronvonrort).

Great advice.

But, will 99.9% of the population follow it? Nah, of course not... thanks to the total (deliberate) abandoning of public health by our governments.

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #76 - Nov 24^th, 2023 at 9:07am

Carl D wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2023 at 10:30am:

But, will 99.9% of the population follow it? Nah, of course not... thanks to the total (deliberate) abandoning of public health by our governments.

No, they wouldn't, but it's not just because of that.

In the country of "mateship", if wearing a mask when directed to in public is too much to ask for, you know the whole tenant of mateship is a lie.

I've pulled right back from any sort of community work, even caring about other people since my good nature routinely gets exploited.

I only care about those in my circle now.

The rest can fall victim to their own actions and I won't shed a tear.

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #77 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 1:08am

This idiot Paul Kelly couldn't predict that the sun was going to rise in the morning as far as I'm concerned (same as aquascoot's hero in Queensland).

https://nitter.net/LettersfromTim/status/1732924055643377795#m

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CMO @PKelly_CBR claims he predicted 3 waves this year

Yet where was his advice to procure XBB.1.5 vaccines prior to the explosion of transmission we now face?

Kelly and his boss @Mark_Butler_MP must resign or be sacked

Their incompetence killed 4,000 last Xmas

Rinse. Repeat.

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Kelly added “govt was not looking to introduce compulsory mask wearing”

People are seriously ill / dying, we still have no updated vaccines that WORK - and the @AlboMP Govt response is

DO NOTHING

Think about that for a minute

Yes, I am... and I'm still trying to work out if our spineless, pathetic governments are more afraid of big business or the army of "cookers" (who will no doubt go on a nationwide rampage screaming things like "BUT WHAT ABOUT MY FREEDUMB???!!!!!) if governments tried to reintroduce mandatory masks and other Covid protections.

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Nothing keeps the economy ticking like a good old fashioned covid cover up. It's not just a new Christmas wave, it's here ALL THE TIME FOR ALL OF THE YEAR! Idiots

Yes, yes it is. And Kelly, Butler, Albanese and everyone else in their gang of social murderers know it.

And, finally... from the esteemed Dr. David Berger (a real medical doctor):

https://nitter.net/YouAreLobbyLud/status/1733103386763969014#m

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Low rent Nostradamus

Bullseye!

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #78 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 9:17am

A must read for every Queenslander (and everyone else in Australia).

Letter to QLD CHO from AMAQ

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Patients are becoming unnecessarily infected & in some cases, dying as a result

Infection control settings across Qld Health are insufficient

HAI data is not reflecting the true rate of infections

No response from Dr. Gerrard so far (he'd be worried about upsetting Annastacia and the tourism industry of course - especially this close to Christmas).

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Isn’t there anything we can do using the legal route in this neglect of basic public health & safety? Do we have any rights to protection, or is it purely at the discretion of govt of the day or Dept staff?

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Not qualified to answer that, sorry.

Considering cookers have brought (ridiculous & unsuccessful) legal actions against state govt health depts, you'd think someone in the legal profession would find a way to advocate for Team Reality.🤷🏼

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Litigation can’t be far away.

You literally cannot access safe healthcare - having investigations can lead to death from HAI C-19 (particularly if you are not able to mask for it/ unable to mask like my father). Staff won’t mask on request - totally f**ked- antithesis of health

I'm hoping the litigation will start coming in thick and fast soon - all around Australia.

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #79 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 10:32am

And, from the esteemed Dr. David Berger again.

https://nitter.net/YouAreLobbyLud/status/1733250310490218527#m

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This is an absolute blockbuster letter from the doctors' leader in Queensland to the state's Chief Health Officer, demanding infection control measures in hospitals to prevent hospital acquired COVID infection. Please read and share.

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This is from November 14th. There has still been no action and things are much worse now.

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A nurse mate is back in full PPe for covid patients , she told me other nurses and patients have approached her to ask questions while she is still in that PPe . "oh we don't believe in that stuff anymore " is the answer she gets when they are told to move away .
We are doomed .

Yes, apparently we are.

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Black Orchid Gold Member Offline Posts: 5824 Gender:	Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming Reply #80 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 10:44am I have a neighbour who waters her garden every afternoon with a mask on. I'm sure you can see some benefit to her doing that. I can't and think it's absurd. If you want to wear a mask wear one. No-one's stopping you.
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Black Orchid Gold Member Offline Posts: 5824 Gender:	Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming Reply #81 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 10:52am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 5:18pm: All aquascoot cares about (i.e. enjoys) is seeing newborn babies murders by the IDF. shakes head Evidence that progressive leftism is an odious disease.
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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #82 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 10:56am

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 10:44am:

I have a neighbour who waters her garden every afternoon with a mask on. I'm sure you can see some benefit to her doing that. I can't and think it's absurd.

If you want to wear a mask wear one. No-one's stopping you.

Indeed.

But, as I (and others) have said many times before... unless it's mandated then the majority of people won't do it. And our governments and big business know it.

And the few people who are "in the know" and are masking to protect themselves and others are being mocked, even by our so called "Health" Departments.

Exhibit A

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COVID-19 transmission continues to increase in NSW, with community transmission now moderate to high.

Do you need to refresh your COVID-safe habits to stop the spread of illness and protect others?

"Be kind to people who choose to wear a mask"

What the actual f... is this garbage?

Perhaps we should also abolish mandatory seatbelts in cars but make sure we're kind to people who choose to wear them?

And a lot of sickness and death is happening as a result of this ongoing crap.

If these so called Health Departments around Australia can't/won't do their job and advise people about the ongoing dangers of Covid and how to properly reduce the risk of getting it then perhaps these "Health" Departments should be closed down to save the long suffering taxpayers some money?

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #83 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 11:13am

For every 'expert' who says that masks protect you from Covid there are many more who say they don't. I've never seen a study saying that seatbelts do not protect you in the case of an accident though. Have you?

Bottom line, if you want to wear a mask and are convinced it will protect you from others then wear one and you should be fine right?

Do not try to enforce your views on others though.

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #84 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 11:24am

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 10:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 5:18pm:

All aquascoot cares about (i.e. enjoys) is seeing newborn babies murders by the IDF.

*shakes head*

Evidence that progressive leftism is an odious disease.

It's cultural Marxism - Greggy is on the list - Reply #697:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1660808671/690

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #85 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 12:18pm

Carl D wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 10:32am:

And, from the esteemed Dr. David Berger again.

https://nitter.net/YouAreLobbyLud/status/1733250310490218527#m

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This is an absolute blockbuster letter from the doctors' leader in Queensland to the state's Chief Health Officer, demanding infection control measures in hospitals to prevent hospital acquired COVID infection. Please read and share.

And...

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This is from November 14th. There has still been no action and things are much worse now.

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Step and fetch
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A nurse mate is back in full PPe for covid patients , she told me other nurses and patients have approached her to ask questions while she is still in that PPe . "oh we don't believe in that stuff anymore " is the answer she gets when they are told to move away .
We are doomed .

Yes, apparently we are.

dr berger is not esteemed

he has been found guilty by the medical regulator of spreading lies and told he will be deregistered if he doesnt stop lying

why are lefties such liars

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #86 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 1:19pm

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

Do not try to enforce your views on others though.

No worries.

As long as the antimask/antivax "cooker" army (which sadly is the majority of people nowadays) don't try to "enforce" their views on me.

Which is what a lot of them are trying to do from what I've seen.

But as far as "enforcing" my views here at OzPolitic I'm sure that the half a dozen people (maximum) who read these threads couldn't care less one way or the other.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 12:18pm:

dr berger is not esteemed

he has been found guilty by the medical regulator of spreading lies and told he will be deregistered if he doesnt stop lying

why are lefties such liars

In that case he will NEVER be deregistered because he isn't lying.

He's speaking the truth which is obviously upsetting quite a few people (including several so called medical 'experts' who should know better).

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #87 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 2:45pm

Carl D wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 1:19pm:

No worries.

As long as the antimask/antivax "cooker" army (which sadly is the majority of people nowadays) don't try to "enforce" their views on me.

Which is what a lot of them are trying to do from what I've seen.

I've never seen anyone telling anyone else to take their mask off.

If you are convinced you are protected with a mask that's fine but why worry about what others do, or don't do, if you feel you are protected. It's easy to avoid others if you are fearful.

I respect your right to mask up if you so choose. I don't respect you calling for a mandate that I should mask up too.

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #88 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 2:55pm

Speaking of the esteemed Dr. Berger... does aquascoot or anyone else think he's lying here?

https://nitter.net/YouAreLobbyLud/status/1733325851314557171#m

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You can fool some of the people all of the time.
You can fool all of the people some of the time.
But you can never fool an insurance actuary.

https://nitter.net/Greyhoundbob75/status/1733270142656880972#m

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Covid infections & income protection/ life insurance. This is on an Australian insurance site. Covid infection is treated like a pre-existing condition. They don’t ask about past colds or flu. Does the general population know this? I doubt it🫣

I also doubt it.

So... if Covid is a "big nothing burger", "just a cold" and needs to be treated "like any other respiratory illness" why do insurance companies insist on something like this nowadays when they've never asked about colds or flu?

Hmm..

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #89 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 3:05pm

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 2:45pm:

I've never seen anyone telling anyone else to take their mask off.

You should have been with me and my elderly aunt when I took her to see her GP a year ago shortly after mask mandates were dropped.

The lady on reception looked at both of us in our masks and the first thing she said was "You don't need to wear those anymore".

Being the polite person I am all I said was "Actually, I think we'll keep them on, thanks" and she said "Oh, OK".

Good thing she didn't say the same thing when I went to the same medical practice a few weeks later to see my GP. She was one of 3 ladies on the reception desk and one of the other two was clearly sick - coughing and sneezing everywhere. Unmasked of course same as everyone else there apart from a couple of the GP's.

I might not have been quite so polite if I'd been told "you don't need to wear that mask anymore" that day.

I've heard/seen similar stories from other people too.

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