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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56770 Gender:	Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming Reply #120 - Dec 13^th, 2023 at 6:11pm Reckon there will be a New Wave of Medical threats every decade like there is of Music Trends every decade.
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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #121 - Dec 13^th, 2023 at 10:24pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 2:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 6:57am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 5:30am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 10:51pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:10pm:

If they stay away from McDonald's and crispy Kreme doughnuts
If they hit the gym
If they do some intense physical exercise three times a week
They will probably be healthy

In other words
We must not discount the important aspect of

Personal responsibility

Listen to the Doctor.

He's already decided what he wants to believe.

The only thing that will change his mind is a Herman Cain Award.

If yourself and Karl and six Japanese tourists want to get around in masks then go for it
You have already decided what you wanted to decide
But don't be telling the rest of us that we are the fringe dwelling conspiracy theorists
When clearly you are the weirdos who have gone down a hypercondriacal rabbit hole

It is not about being fringe, or introducing race to ridicule others, the simple fact is, that you don't like being told what to do and no amount of evidence will change your mind because you're a stubborn old prick who would rather see people die than being told to stay home in the early days of the virus when we didn't know enough about it. What we did know set off alarm bells, but you "knew" it was only the sniffles, so fu

ck

everyone else.

There's that aussie mateship...

As long as you personally don't have to take any responsibility for your actions, while championing "personal responsibility", that's all that matters.

If Scoot can do what he wants, who cares what happens to anyone else. Unless they're women, then in the world of personal responsibility, it's all still their fault.

You'd think personal responsibility comes with accountability, but it's interesting how often he blame shifts to others.

So in terms of COVID, he won't change his story unless he's walking up to the stage to collect a Herman Cain award, and even then, he probably would ride that rollercoaster all the way to hell screaming "it's just the sniffles!!!".

incorrect

your position and carls position is nothing about mateship and all about selfish "me,me,me" .

a mate wouldnt want to see his friends who own a gym or a resturant driven into bankruptcy by rediculous lockdowns

a mate wouldnt want to see the teenagers in his street miss out on playing team sports and seeing their friends

a mate wouldnt want loved ones to be seperated and call for qantas to never fly because they might spread a germ

"me,me,me " is what your philosophy is about

totally selfish

If we knew then what we know now it's possible your take isn't absolute dog s

hit

.

The problem is, at the time we didn't.

Teenagers playing team sports is not more important than peoples lives.

I lost a 50% stake in a cafe during lockdowns, it sucks, but it's only money.

But at the time cu

nts

like you boasted about not wearing their masks and those less cowardly than you would do this in person, harassing staff and possibly spreading the virus even further.

You think you have some moral authority to accuse others of being selfish?

Fu

cking

hilarious.

Quote:

i do believe carl and yourself would have tossed kids out of lifeboats on the titanic because old people , like yourselves see yourself as living gems

total narcissicists Roll Eyes

There is a difference between saving a child's life vs them kicking a ball around...

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #122 - Dec 13^th, 2023 at 10:46pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 10:24pm:

But at the time cu

nts

like you boasted about not wearing their masks and those less cowardly than you would do this in person, harassing staff and possibly spreading the virus even further.

Masks don't work why are you ignoring the science with this?

Quote:

Association between face mask use and risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection: Cross-sectional study

Published online by Cambridge University Press: 13 November 2023

Abstract
We examined the association between face masks and risk of infection with SARS-CoV-2 using cross-sectional data from 3,209 participants in a randomized trial exploring the effectiveness of glasses in reducing the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Face mask use was based on participants’ response to the end-of-follow-up survey. We found that the incidence of self-reported COVID-19 was 33% (aRR 1.33; 95% CI 1.03–1.72) higher in those wearing face masks often or sometimes, and 40% (aRR 1.40; 95% CI 1.08–1.82) higher in those wearing face masks almost always or always, compared to participants who reported wearing face masks never or almost never.

Results
Main results

The main findings are summarized in Table 2. The crude estimates show a higher incidence of testing positive for COVID-19 in the groups that used face masks more frequently, with 8.6% of participants having never or almost never used masks, 15.0% having sometimes used masks, and 15.1% having almost always or always used masks reporting a positive test result. The risk was 1.74 (1.38 to 2.18) times higher in those who wore face masks often or sometimes, and 1.75 (1.39 to 2.21) times higher in those who wore face masks almost always or always, compared to participants who reported never or almost never wore masks (reference group).

Discussion
In this cross-sectional study of 3,231 participants, we observed that persons who reported wearing a face mask sometimes/often or almost always/always had a 33% (95% CI 3% to 72%) and 40% (95% CI 8% to 82%) higher incidence of self-reported COVID-19 compared to those who never or almost never wore face masks, adjusting for available relevant confounders.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/assoc...

Masks don't work this recent study shows you're more likely to get covid if you wear a mask than if you don't.

If masks worked you would expect to see a massive reduction this study shows masks increase the risk of catching covid.

The covidiots never learn.
Grin

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #123 - Dec 13^th, 2023 at 11:56pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 10:46pm:

...Masks don't work this recent study shows you're more likely to get covid if you wear a mask than if you don't.

If masks worked you would expect to see a massive reduction this study shows masks increase the risk of catching covid.

The covidiots never learn.

I don't agree with your assessment of the study, but I'm
about to hit the farter, so will respond later today. Cool

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56770 Gender:	Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming Reply #124 - Dec 14^th, 2023 at 1:59am Surfers are immune to the latest wave.
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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #125 - Dec 14^th, 2023 at 5:26am

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 10:24pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 2:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 6:57am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 5:30am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 10:51pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:10pm:

If they stay away from McDonald's and crispy Kreme doughnuts
If they hit the gym
If they do some intense physical exercise three times a week
They will probably be healthy

In other words
We must not discount the important aspect of

Personal responsibility

Listen to the Doctor.

He's already decided what he wants to believe.

The only thing that will change his mind is a Herman Cain Award.

If yourself and Karl and six Japanese tourists want to get around in masks then go for it
You have already decided what you wanted to decide
But don't be telling the rest of us that we are the fringe dwelling conspiracy theorists
When clearly you are the weirdos who have gone down a hypercondriacal rabbit hole

It is not about being fringe, or introducing race to ridicule others, the simple fact is, that you don't like being told what to do and no amount of evidence will change your mind because you're a stubborn old prick who would rather see people die than being told to stay home in the early days of the virus when we didn't know enough about it. What we did know set off alarm bells, but you "knew" it was only the sniffles, so fu

ck

everyone else.

There's that aussie mateship...

As long as you personally don't have to take any responsibility for your actions, while championing "personal responsibility", that's all that matters.

If Scoot can do what he wants, who cares what happens to anyone else. Unless they're women, then in the world of personal responsibility, it's all still their fault.

You'd think personal responsibility comes with accountability, but it's interesting how often he blame shifts to others.

So in terms of COVID, he won't change his story unless he's walking up to the stage to collect a Herman Cain award, and even then, he probably would ride that rollercoaster all the way to hell screaming "it's just the sniffles!!!".

incorrect

your position and carls position is nothing about mateship and all about selfish "me,me,me" .

a mate wouldnt want to see his friends who own a gym or a resturant driven into bankruptcy by rediculous lockdowns

a mate wouldnt want to see the teenagers in his street miss out on playing team sports and seeing their friends

a mate wouldnt want loved ones to be seperated and call for qantas to never fly because they might spread a germ

"me,me,me " is what your philosophy is about

totally selfish

If we knew then what we know now it's possible your take isn't absolute dog s

hit

.

The problem is, at the time we didn't.

Teenagers playing team sports is not more important than peoples lives.

I lost a 50% stake in a cafe during lockdowns, it sucks, but it's only money.

But at the time cu

nts

like you boasted about not wearing their masks and those less cowardly than you would do this in person, harassing staff and possibly spreading the virus even further.

You think you have some moral authority to accuse others of being selfish?

Fu

cking

hilarious.

Quote:

i do believe carl and yourself would have tossed kids out of lifeboats on the titanic because old people , like yourselves see yourself as living gems

total narcissicists Roll Eyes

There is a difference between saving a child's life vs them kicking a ball around...

incorrect

you are the one claiming moral superiority

your use of swear words shows this really triggers you

usually we are very triggered when someone hits a nerve and reveals a truth we dont want to face up to Cry

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #126 - Dec 14^th, 2023 at 7:47am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 14^th, 2023 at 5:26am:

incorrect

you are the one claiming moral superiority

your use of swear words shows this really triggers you

usually we are very triggered when someone hits a nerve and reveals a truth we dont want to face up to Cry

You mean like when I (and others) keep trying to explain to you (backed up by real science) that SARS-CoV-2 isn't just a "mild respiratory virus" and "just a cold" but you obviously don't want to face up to it?

Or is it that you're just trolling all the time?

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 119855 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming Reply #127 - Dec 14^th, 2023 at 8:10am
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 37854 Gender:	Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming Reply #128 - Dec 14^th, 2023 at 12:28pm i did a bit of a survey of the 1000 or so people i saw at work this morning zero masks carl really has descended into a cult
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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #129 - Dec 14^th, 2023 at 1:25pm

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 11:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 10:46pm:

...Masks don't work this recent study shows you're more likely to get covid if you wear a mask than if you don't.

If masks worked you would expect to see a massive reduction this study shows masks increase the risk of catching covid.

The covidiots never learn.

I don't agree with your assessment of the study, but I'm
about to hit the farter, so will respond later today.

Okay... The report does not unequivocally say, anywhere,
that one is "more likely" to get COVID if one wears a mask.
That's your interpretation, and it's not correct IMHO.

I note that you've selectively cited the report to suit
your claim, but ignored other parts of the report.

I can cherry pick too. Wink

...Observational studies reporting on the relationship
between face mask use and risk of respiratory infections
should be interpreted cautiously, and more
randomized trials are needed.

...In controlled settings, mechanistic studies suggest
that when masks are worn correctly, the risk of infection
should be strongly reduced.

...However, it is important to interpret the results
with caution and not infer that our estimates
represent the true causal relationship between face
mask use and infection risk.

...we found that the proportion of registered COVID cases
was higher in the groups using face masks, but aRRs
(adjusted risk ratios) showed no statistically significant
difference in risk.

...Studies based on observational data mainly find
a negative association between wearing a mask
and the risk of COVID-19 infection.

...for example, in their online survey, Xu et al have
found a manifold increase in the risk of infection
among the participants who reported not wearing a
face mask.

...In a similar study by Kwon et al, self-reported
"always" use of face mask outside the home was
associated with around a 65% reduced risk of
predicted COVID-19

...Our findings suggest that wearing a face mask
may be associated with an increased risk of
infection. However, it is important to note that
this association may be due to unobservable
and non-adjustable differences between those wearing
and not wearing a mask. Therefore, caution is imperative
when interpreting the results of this and other
observational studies on the relationship between
mask wearing and infection risk.

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #130 - Dec 14^th, 2023 at 3:49pm

https://tottnews.com/2023/12/13/sixth-booster-shot-arrives/

Government says it’s time to roll up your sleeve for COVID jab number SIX

Following a massive decrease in net profits for biopharma conglomerates in 2023, pharmacists and GPs are rolling out yet another COVID booster shot.

TOTT News December 13, 2023

SIXTH SHOT ARRIVES

Just to add more lunacy as we close out 2023, new COVID booster shots are now available in Australia.

Yes, that’s right: As of Monday this week, pharmacies and GPs across Australia are being stocked with the latest mRNA technology to ‘fight back’ against the ‘latest variants’.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25212 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming Reply #131 - Dec 14^th, 2023 at 5:06pm I had my last covid booster in October. Surely, people would only get boosters for when new vaccines come out.
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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #132 - Dec 14^th, 2023 at 5:12pm

Patients and doctors expect drug regulators to provide an unbiased, rigorous assessment of new medicines before they hit the market. But an investigation published by The BMJ today finds that industry money permeates the globe’s leading regulators, raising questions about their independence, especially in the wake of a string of drug and device scandals.

Over the past decades, regulatory agencies have seen large proportions of their budgets funded by the industry they are sworn to regulate, explains investigative journalist Maryanne Demasi.

Industry fees to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have increased 30 fold – from around $29m in 1993 to $884m in 2016, while in Europe, industry fees now fund 89% of the European Medicines Agency (EMA), up from 20% in 1995.

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #133 - Dec 14^th, 2023 at 5:12pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 14^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

i did a bit of a survey of the 1000 or so people i saw at work this morning

zero masks

carl really has descended into a cult

How many were coughing and/or sneezing?

Oh, that's right... it's just "hay fever" or a "summer cold" right now.

Perfectly normal for this time of the year. Roll Eyes

ABC... Anything But Covid.

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Re: Another COVID-19 wave is coming
Reply #134 - Dec 14^th, 2023 at 5:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

https://tottnews.com/2023/12/13/sixth-booster-shot-arrives/

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Government says it’s time to roll up your sleeve for COVID jab number SIX

Following a massive decrease in net profits for biopharma conglomerates in 2023, pharmacists and GPs are rolling out yet another COVID booster shot.

TOTT News December 13, 2023

SIXTH SHOT ARRIVES

Just to add more lunacy as we close out 2023, new COVID booster shots are now available in Australia.

Yes, that’s right: As of Monday this week, pharmacies and GPs across Australia are being stocked with the latest mRNA technology to ‘fight back’ against the ‘latest variants’.

I'd be rolling my arm up right now for number 6 if I hadn't caught Covid for the first time 3 months ago.

As far as I know (and the government "messaging" about getting another Covid vaccine is deliberately confusing) you still can't get another Covid vaccination unless it's been 6 months since your last vaccination or confirmed infection.

That's how the government is saving money on vaccines because it is almost impossible to last 6 months without getting infected nowadays with Covid rampant across Australia.

That's OK... I intend to roll up my sleeve in 3 months time for #6 because even if I do get Covid again before then I'm not going to tell anyone. And besides, you can't report your positive RATs anymore because the States have shut down all of the reporting portals to make it look like cases are now very low (which they most certainly are not).

I would actually roll up my sleeve right now if I hadn't reported our (my aunt and I's) positive RATs the week before the WA government shut it down at the start of October.

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