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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #450 - Dec 20th, 2023 at 10:39pm
 
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #451 - Dec 20th, 2023 at 10:40pm
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 20th, 2023 at 3:03pm:
For the record on this Forum.
Gaylord Smith has barely got his facts right.
Isn't that right '5 Dogs' Smith? Grin


You have solved the issue of getting facts right JaSin by not using them. It does work too.
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Reply #452 - Dec 21st, 2023 at 8:33am
 
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #453 - Dec 21st, 2023 at 9:13am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2023 at 10:36pm:
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So the argument is based on an untrue statement that goes around in a circle making further untrue assumptions and unsupported statements.


What is more troubling is that behind the declared critique of nationalism lies the undeclared attack on democracy. Because to “transcend” nationalism is to “transcend” the nation-state. When those nation-states are democracies, that means “transcending” democracy too. It means undermining the one effective framework by which citizens exercise political control over their common fate. Imposing a universal regime of human rights from above, through international institutions, is therefore a direct attack on the right to elect the government under which one lives—a right which is the single most effective check against tyranny, and therefore the linchpin of liberty and all other human and civil rights.

Both parts of the answer—the demonization of Israel and the attack on democracy—were clearly manifest in the Durban conference of 2001, beginning with its Orwellian title: World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance. The conference turned into a festival of blood libels against the Jewish nation-state—in the name of tolerance, of course. But it also exhibited the rising trend of using the idea of human rights to undermine democracy.

John Fonte was the first to point out, a year after the conference, that the new transnational globalist agenda was utilizing the United Nations and the conference to undermine the principle of government by the consent of the governed. Forty-seven American human rights activists, Fonte noted, sent a petition to the UN’s high commissioner for human rights, under the title “A Call to Action to the United Nations.” The petition demanded that the U.N. impose on the U.S. an agenda that the U.S. government rejected. Fonte went on to write a landmark book, Sovereignty or Submission: Will Americans Rule Themselves or Be Ruled by Others?, detailing the many ways in which new globalist elites are bypassing democratic sovereignty in pursuit of policies that the citizens of democratic nation-states have not consented to.

The case of Israel is most instructive because the general trend of anti-democratic liberalism acquires special poignancy in the one instance where a nation-state’s very right to exist is being questioned. The effort to undermine the Jewish nation-state does not therefore need to camouflage itself. It can be explicit about both its aim and its means: the destruction of Israel in the name of human rights.
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Read the whole article and tell us where he does wrong.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #454 - Dec 21st, 2023 at 9:25am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:43pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:30pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm:
Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it.


My final solution hasn't changed: stop murdering children.


Get your arse over there, take on Hamas fighters to get to the kids, ...


That's the job of the IDF.

If they don't know how to launch a defensive attack without murdering thousands of children, they shouldn't be a defence force.

Meanwhile, conservatives refuse to acknowledge and condemn the war crimes committed by Israel.

Sad.


Hamas needs to stop hiding behind their children.
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #455 - Dec 21st, 2023 at 9:33am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 7:12pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 16th, 2023 at 1:43pm:
Why Israel Is Target #1 of the Global Left
The attack on Israel’s legitimacy is part of a larger assault by the global left and global capital on the democratic nation-state


Antisemitism has evolved through a breathtaking dialectical leap: It is now conveyed through the lingo of human rights. This is how a host of liberals and progressives—many of them Jews—have been seduced into supporting NGOs that claim to promote human rights, but are in fact promoting a racist view of the Jewish people. They do so by singling out the Jews as the one people not partaking in the universal right to self-determination, and Israel alone among the nations as the one state which has no right to exist. Singling out the Jews for special hostile treatment is, of course, the very definition of antisemitism.

How has this old-new antisemitism become a legitimate, even respectable position once again? And how did the idea of human rights, which purports to serve as a universal standard, get distorted so badly as to yield an argument for the targeting and exclusion of Jews?

One part of the answer is that academia and the media have created an Industry of Lies, as the title of Israeli leftist journalist Ben-Dror Yemini’s book accurately called it. By using gross double standards, this industry portrays Israel as a uniquely monstrous violator of human rights. The world’s actual egregious violators of human rights—such as China, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, and most of Israel’s neighbors—don’t receive a fraction of the moralizing attention that Israel gets.

But that is not the whole story. Another part of the answer lies in the way the human rights agenda has been channeled globally into undermining national democracies in general. This trend usually presents itself as a critique of nationalism, understood by the global left as proto-fascism permanently poised to break into actual fascism at any moment. The argument is admittedly catchy: If nationalism is particularistic and exclusive, then human rights, which are universal, are the answer. Catchy, that is, only if you conceive of nationalism as a “negation of others,” as opposed to the particular manifestation of a universal right to national self-determination.

Read the rest here https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-human-rights-advocates-beca...


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Antisemitism has evolved through a breathtaking


Calling out Israel for ethnic cleansing in Palestine isn't Anti Semitism it is just the truth.


You are delusional.

"From the river to the sea" .... the catch cry of Hamas and Palestinian supporters for their intended ethnic cleansing of all Jews out of the ME.

Hypocrites.
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #456 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:23pm
 
What IS the deal with 'John Smith'?

Dago? Abo? Just a common garden moron?
There is, apparently, some Yahoo history.

S/He is evidently a combative moron of limited ability to articulate but makes up for those limitations by being consistently and therefore predictably stupid.

What happened to him/her? What trauma formed this ghoul? What cure is there for her?
Is she a he? He a she? Battling gender demons? Or just an ordinary efnik ****wit like Slavoj Gweggy tujd and paki Karnal?

Who IS thicko Smiff?


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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #457 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:25pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 9:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:43pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:30pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm:
Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it.


My final solution hasn't changed: stop murdering children.


Get your arse over there, take on Hamas fighters to get to the kids, ...


That's the job of the IDF.

If they don't know how to launch a defensive attack without murdering thousands of children, they shouldn't be a defence force.

Meanwhile, conservatives refuse to acknowledge and condemn the war crimes committed by Israel.

Sad.


Hamas needs to stop hiding behind their children.


The IDF needs to stop raping & murdering them.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #458 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:37pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2023 at 10:36pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 20th, 2023 at 3:22pm:
Reading on....


But that is not the whole story. Another part of the answer lies in the way the human rights agenda has been channeled globally into undermining national democracies in general. This trend usually presents itself as a critique of nationalism, understood by the global left as proto-fascism permanently poised to break into actual fascism at any moment. The argument is admittedly catchy: If nationalism is particularistic and exclusive, then human rights, which are universal, are the answer. Catchy, that is, only if you conceive of nationalism as a “negation of others,” as opposed to the particular manifestation of a universal right to national self-determination.


Talking garbage doesn't answer anything.

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Another part of the answer lies in the way the human rights agenda has been channeled globally into undermining national democracies in general.


So the argument is based on an untrue statement that goes around in a circle making further untrue assumptions and unsupported statements.



The thing about duckwits like you, duckwit, is that you quote but evidently do not comprehend.
You have immunised yourself against comprehension. Waddling, shitting everywhere,  shaking your tail, gobbling peas - not comprehension.

Here is one of your 'pearls of duck shittery' idiocies.

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So the argument is based on an untrue statement that goes around in a circle making further untrue assumptions and unsupported statements.


It makes no sense EVEN to you
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #459 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:48pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:25pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 9:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:43pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:30pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm:
Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it.


My final solution hasn't changed: stop murdering children.


Get your arse over there, take on Hamas fighters to get to the kids, ...


That's the job of the IDF.

If they don't know how to launch a defensive attack without murdering thousands of children, they shouldn't be a defence force.

Meanwhile, conservatives refuse to acknowledge and condemn the war crimes committed by Israel.

Sad.


Hamas needs to stop hiding behind their children.


The IDF needs to stop raping & murdering them.


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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #460 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:50pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:23pm:
What IS the deal with 'John Smith'?

Dago? Abo? Just a common garden moron?
There is, apparently, some Yahoo history.

S/He is evidently a combative moron of limited ability to articulate but makes up for those limitations by being consistently and therefore predictably stupid.

What happened to him/her? What trauma formed this ghoul? What cure is there for her?
Is she a he? He a she? Battling gender demons? Or just an ordinary efnik ****wit like Slavoj Gweggy tujd and paki Karnal?

Who IS thicko Smiff?





Freud, I believe, said that the state of madness was a fugue – a form of music in the head of the afflicted, a tune to which only that individual marched..... somewhere a band is playing...... and every single one of us hears our own band.... or thinks we can almost hear it just outside the realm of hearing... it is there... we know it is... that much is a certainty.... somewhere out there just beyond the reach of our senses... a band is playing....

For many, this is meaningless, though I feel this is too harsh a word.... it is merely background to a life lived somewhere within the bounds of normality.... for others it is a warrior quest to find.... for some it is Fugue in Serious Disorder.....

It begins every six months at The Time Of The Feeding – approaching budget time for the commonwealth – a time when all those small offices throughout the land who thrive on endless supply of money from 'our' government get into stride.... where shop-worn and often heavily finger-printed documents are drawn out of deep drawers and resurrected Lazarus-like to the light in the fervent hope of drawing yet another Resurrection.... and as usual, every time period it begins these days with The Feminists... a state of fugue of its very own.

Out come the figures for the last remaining 'feminist' bastion of fantasy.... the 'wage gap'... shown time and time again to be falsehoods and lies, and yet having a life of their own over and over … no    matter how often the figures show differently, the simple Goebbels-like persistence that they are not as they are holds sway... a world of fugue in which unreality has overtaken reality.. in which some set out on a journey to the far reaches of the Universe in order to find and justify their own band playing out there somewhere.

Now others have fallen into that time-worn path of chasing their own band playing out there somewhere... it has become normal now to enter a state of Freudian Fugue of Unreality in order to pursue your own personal band playing dogma.... some begin a 'transition' across the human universe in pursuit of their personal fugue state … their own music....their way across the universe to the very furthest end of unreality ...  and in the streets the children screamed, the lovers cried and the poets dreamed of transgender transcending.....  and some reach the furthest limits of our galaxy at least...... but the man there said the music didn't play......

"Do you remember when I brought you those figures?  The ones that said there was a chance we could destroy the whole world?" 

"I remember, Robert....."

"I think we did, Albert...." 


Watching Oppenheimer brings out the Jewish in me.... the Albrecht.... we both hated mathematics Einstein and I.. both failed them at school ....... higher mathematics is an art form not a rote science... mathematics without intuition is like watching without sight....
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #461 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 9:41pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:23pm:
What IS the deal with 'John Smith'?

Dago? Abo? Just a common garden moron?
There is, apparently, some Yahoo history.

S/He is evidently a combative moron of limited ability to articulate but makes up for those limitations by being consistently and therefore predictably stupid.

What happened to him/her? What trauma formed this ghoul? What cure is there for her?
Is she a he? He a she? Battling gender demons? Or just an ordinary efnik ****wit like Slavoj Gweggy tujd and paki Karnal?

Who IS thicko Smiff?



He's your better. 


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