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Oct 30th, 2023 at 6:53pm
 
Conversation transferred here because Brian threatened to ban me
for winning the argument.



Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 2:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 29th, 2023 at 8:15pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29th, 2023 at 6:00pm:


We can't afford those subs.
The whole idea is ridiculous.


Don't you have a conspiracy you can peddle somewhere else, Bobby?  Australia can collectively afford these boats. It has been explained to you many times. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Re: AUKUS Nuke subs.
Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 6:54pm
 

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 2:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 2:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 29th, 2023 at 8:15pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29th, 2023 at 6:00pm:


We can't afford those subs.
The whole idea is ridiculous.


Don't you have a conspiracy you can peddle somewhere else, Bobby?  Australia can collectively afford these boats. It has been explained to you many times. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




We are already over $1 trillion in debt.

We'll get only 8 subs for
$368 billion.




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Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 6:54pm
 

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 2:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 2:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 2:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 29th, 2023 at 8:15pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29th, 2023 at 6:00pm:


We can't afford those subs.
The whole idea is ridiculous.


Don't you have a conspiracy you can peddle somewhere else, Bobby?  Australia can collectively afford these boats. It has been explained to you many times. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


We are already over $1 trillion in debt.

We'll get only 8 subs for $368 billion.


Don't you have a conspiracy you can peddle somewhere else, Bobby?  Australia can collectively afford these boats. It has been explained to you many times. Tsk, tsk, tsk...



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Re: AUKUS Nuke subs.
Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 6:55pm
 

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 3:19pm:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/30/aukus-submarine-deal-buil...

Mon 30 Oct 2023


Plan to build Aukus submarines in Adelaide is ‘a fairytale’ and ‘pork barrelling’,

Alexander Downer says

Former foreign minister says building nuclear submarines at South Australian shipyard will ‘drain the national economy’



The $368bn
Aukus plan to build nuclear submarines in Adelaide has been labelled “a fairytale” and “pork barrelling” by Alexander Downer, Australia’s longest serving foreign minister.

Downer said on Monday that the central plank of Aukus would “drain the national economy”, joining a number of elder statespersons with concerns about the feasibility or desirability of building nuclear submarines.
Ships from the Royal Australian Navy, including the Anzac class frigates HMAS Perth and Warramunga. A new report calls for an overall increase in RAN ships, but a cut in the Hunter class frigate order.
Australia urged to cut back $45bn Hunter-class frigate project as part of ‘bold revamp’
Read more

Under the Aukus plan, in the early 2030s Australia will acquire US Virginia-class submarines. Australia will upgrade the shipyard at Osborne, South Australia immediately to begin constructing new SSN-Aukus submarines by the end of the decade for delivery in the early 2040s. The entire plan is estimated to cost up to $368bn between now and the mid-2050s.

On Monday, Downer questioned where Australia would get “$360,000 million dollars from”.


“Getting the nuclear submarines is important to national and, more broadly, regional security, so I’m in favour of that, but building them in Australia was way too expensive and it will never happen,” he told Radio National.

“None of the politicians in power today will be in power by [the time the submarines are launched in the 2040s]. They won’t have to deal with the consequences of this; some future government will have to deal with it.”



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Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 6:56pm
 

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 3:48pm:
Alex Downer = yesterday's man. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 6:56pm
 

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 3:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 3:48pm:
Alex Downer = yesterday's man. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



That's a logical fallacy:

https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html

Ad Hominem

(Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. The fallacious attack can also be direct to membership in a group or institution.




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Reply #6 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 6:57pm
 

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 5:00pm:
Prove I am incorrect, Bobby.  He is yesterday's man, just as you increasingly are.
If you persist with your arguments, I will be forced to ban you. 
Understand?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...
  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




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Reply #7 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:05pm
 
Brian is a 'homma'sexual.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #8 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:07pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:05pm:
Brian is a 'homma'sexual.



I was making mince meat out of his arguments so he threatened to ban me.  WTF?


When will MRB moderators understand that they are not there to push their own agenda
by censoring opinions they don't like?
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Reply #9 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:20pm
 
Spatchcock was right about him.
He's nothing more than a wannabe 'Dictator',
for want of being a pleb grunt in the Military.

Why would anyone want to join the ADF when its full of dickheads like Brian?
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #10 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:26pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:20pm:
Spatchcock was right about him.
He's nothing more than a wannabe 'Dictator',
for want of being a pleb grunt in the Military.

Why would anyone want to join the ADF when its full of dickheads like Brian?



It's military doctrine -
eliminate your enemy.

It's just a discussion forum.   Roll Eyes   tsk tsk tsk.
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Reply #11 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 8:20pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:07pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:05pm:
Brian is a 'homma'sexual.



I was making mince meat out of his arguments so he threatened to ban me.  WTF?


When will MRB moderators understand that they are not there to push their own agenda
by censoring opinions they don't like?


It's not censoring opinions that he doesn't like Bobby, but Brian, as am I, getting fed up with your pointless distraction. The realities of this SSN acquisition have been explained to you over and over again, yet you still spout the same bullshit without any evidence to back it up.  If you had a real argument to make then I would be more than willing to listen to it, even if I disagreed, but spouting the same discredited rubbish is not an argument, but only an annoying distraction.
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Re: AUKUS Nuke subs.
Reply #12 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 8:34pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 8:20pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:07pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:05pm:
Brian is a 'homma'sexual.



I was making mince meat out of his arguments so he threatened to ban me.  WTF?


When will MRB moderators understand that they are not there to push their own agenda
by censoring opinions they don't like?


It's not censoring opinions that he doesn't like Bobby, but Brian, as am I, getting fed up with your pointless distraction. The realities of this SSN acquisition have been explained to you over and over again, yet you still spout the same bullshit without any evidence to back it up.  If you had a real argument to make then I would be more than willing to listen to it, even if I disagreed, but spouting the same discredited rubbish is not an argument, but only an annoying distraction.



it's not my argument - no one cares what I say.
I quoted Downer:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/30/aukus-submarine-deal-buil...

Talk about shooting the messenger.  tsk tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 9:18pm
 
The childish prick banned me:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1618303274


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Banned from this forum is Bobby, until he wakes up and stops fantasizing about his beliefs and arguments.



Brian shoots the messenger.
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Reply #14 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 9:23pm
 
Look at what he wrote:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 9:16pm:
You are hereby banned from this forum, Bobby.  Do not post again.  Understand?
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