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Reply #225 - Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:05am
 

Its' not fair -
how would the Chinese like it if we fired missiles in the area of a busy air route
off the coast of China?
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Reply #226 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 10:24am
 
https://wentworthreport.com/2025/03/06/will-trump-soon-ask-australia-to-double-i...


Will Trump soon “ask” Australia to double its defense spending?


By Robert Gottliebsen in The Australian.

It should not have taken the Americans to tell us that we must increase our defence spending by around $26bn a year, or 50 per cent above current levels. …

We have just seen our Prime Minister prancing around the nation throwing money in all directions. His total election promising spree to date is $20bn, and most of that is being matched by the Coalition. This is a dual party spending spree.

In addition, the government is committing $6bn for extra public servants. The total is $26bn — exactly the extra amount the Americans are demanding we spend on defence.

So we have the money, but rather than defending the nation, it is being spent going after votes.

Accordingly, President Trump may insist Australia pay a fair share of its defence and the penalties for not taking action will be severe. …
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Reply #227 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 6:54am
 
So - a tinpot regime like North Korea can make its own nuclear powered subs
and have them ready in under 2 years but we have to rely on the Yanks
and wait 20 years or more and get charged A$368 billion for 8 of them
and they won't have nuke missiles either.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/08/asia/north-korea-nuclear-submarine-int-latam/...


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North Korea unveils what it says is a nuclear-powered submarine



By Associated Press
3 minute read
Published 1:38 PM EST, Sat March 8, 2025


SEOUL, South Korea
AP

North Korea unveiled for the first time a nuclear-powered submarine under construction, a weapons system that can pose a major security threat to South Korea and the US.

State media on Saturday released photos showing what it called “a nuclear-powered strategic guided missile submarine,” as it reported leader Kim Jong Un’s visits to major shipyards where warships are built.

The Korean Central News Agency, or KCNA, didn’t provide details on the submarine, but said Kim was briefed on its construction.

The naval vessel appears to be a 6,000-ton-class or 7,000-ton-class one which can carry about 10 missiles, said Moon Keun-sik, a South Korean submarine expert who teaches at Seoul’s Hanyang University. He said the use of the term “the strategic guided missiles”
meant
it would carry nuclear-capable weapons.


“It would be absolutely threatening to us and the US,” Moon said.

A nuclear-powered submarine was among a long wishlist of sophisticated weaponry that Kim vowed to introduce during a major political conference in 2021 to cope with what he called escalating US-led military threats. Other weapons were solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missiles, hypersonic weapons, spy satellites and multi-warhead missiles. North Korea has since performed a run of testing activities to acquire them.
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Reply #228 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 7:20am
 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/09/trump-pick-for-pentagon-says-selli...

Trump pick for Pentagon says selling submarines to Australia

would be ‘crazy’ if Taiwan tensions flare



Nominee for undersecretary for defense policy says Aukus deal
to deliver Virginia class submarines could leave US sailors ‘vulnerable’

One of Donald Trump’s top picks for the Pentagon says selling submarines to Australia under the Aukus agreement poses a “very difficult problem” for the US and could endanger its own sailors.

Elbridge Colby, Trump’s nominee for undersecretary of defense for policy – the number three post at the US Department of Defense – has previously admitted he is “skeptical” about Aukus and said this week he is worried selling submarines to Australian could leave US sailors “vulnerable” because the vessels won’t be “in the right place in the right time”.


In written comments to the Senate committee, Colby urged Australia to lift its defence spending to 3% of GDP.

Aukus submarines composite against the backdrop of an Australian flag
Surface tension: could the promised Aukus nuclear submarines simply never be handed over to Australia?



“The main concern the United States should press with Australia, consistent with the president’s approach, is higher defence spending,” Colby said.

Australia is currently well below the 3% level advocated for Nato by Nato secretary general [Mark] Rutte, and Canberra faces a far more powerful challenge in China.”

Australia is not a member of Nato. Australia’s defence minister, Richard Marles, responded: “The budget papers show the Albanese government is increasing defence spending to record levels.”

Australian defence spending is budgeted to reach $56bn this year, equivalent to 2.02% of GDP. The Albanese government has committed to exceeding $100bn by the 2033-34 financial year, representing 2.4% of GDP.
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Reply #229 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 1:39pm
 

Looks like the Russians are supplying the nuclear reactor for the Korean sub.
Maybe the Yanks could supply us a new reactor and we could build our own subs?
That would be cheaper but could we do it ? -
do we have the technology and expertise?
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Reply #230 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 3:04pm
 
Decommissioning of nuke subs:

a cost spread over 100s of years -



What Happened To Russia's Cold War Nuclear Submarines?


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Reply #231 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 3:54pm
 

What a poor deal we've signed:

https://michaelwest.com.au/aukus-9b-to-us-and-uk-shipyards-but-wait-theres-more/

The geniuses in the Department of Defence have set up a regime where,
if for any reason the US can’t deliver (it is highly unlikely they will ever make the 2.3 subs required)
or won’t deliver (more on that possibility below), we get exactly none of the money back.
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Reply #232 - Mar 14th, 2025 at 8:27am
 
Amazing five -   one hour episodes  -

documentary on the secret war of  WW2.

from 1975

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Reply #233 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 4:21am
 
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-starts-build-submarine-pre...

US starts to build submarine presence on strategic Australian coast under AUKUS



By Kirsty Needham
March 17, 20251:50 AM GMT+11Updated 3 hours ago



PERTH, March 16 (Reuters) - In the control room of the American Virginia class attack submarine USS Minnesota, off the Western Australian coast, sonar operators adjust to the chatter of dolphins in new waters where the U.S. submarine presence will soon grow significantly.
On a training exercise from its home port in Guam, USS Minnesota is a forerunner to four Virginia class submarines that will be hosted at a Western Australian naval base from 2027, under the AUKUS partnership to transfer nuclear submarine capability to Australia.
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Crew use video game joysticks to interrogate screen images from a photonic mast that has replaced a periscope. Life aboard can mean up to 100 days without seeing sunlight, and intermittent communication with families via email to maintain stealth.
Commanding officer Jeffrey Corneille says the Virginia class submarine is "the most advanced warship in the world".
"If someone wakes up and they say 'Is today the day?', we make sure that they say 'Maybe not'," he says, describing its deterrent role.
Around 50-80 United States navy personnel will arrive by the middle of the year at Western Australia's HMAS Stirling base, which is undergoing an A$8 billion ($5 billion) upgrade to prepare for the "Submarine Rotational Force West", Australian officials have said.
In two years, those numbers will swell to hundreds of U.S. navy personnel and support crew.
The location of HMAS Stirling, closer to Asia and the Indian Ocean than the U.S. Pacific fleet headquarters in Hawaii, is strategically important to the United States, said Peter Dean, director of Foreign Policy and Defence at the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney.
"Defending the Indian Ocean against rising Chinese capabilities and power is important," he said.
The Virginia submarine program has been exempted from Pentagon budget cuts as the Trump administration focuses less on the Middle East and Europe, and more on the Indo Pacific, he said.
The Trump administration's number three Pentagon official, Elbridge Colby, told a U.S. Senate confirmation hearing this month the attack submarines are "absolutely essential" for making the defence of Taiwan viable, and production rates must be lifted to first meet U.S. needs and also to fulfill its obligations to sell submarines to Australia under the AUKUS pact.
The USS Minnesota moved its home port from Hawaii to the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam, closer to Taiwan and the only forward-deployed U.S. submarine base, in November.
A Chinese navy task group that circumnavigated Australia in February and March highlighted China's ambition to operate more frequently in Australia's neighbourhood, Australian officials said.
The group held unprecedented live fire drills off the east coast that disrupted commercial airlines, before passing Western Australia to coincide with the USS Minnesota's port call and heading into the Indian Ocean.
Under AUKUS, Australia’s most expensive defence project, Australia will buy two used Virginia class submarines next decade, and build a new class of nuclear powered submarine with Britain, to replace its ageing diesel powered fleet.
In preparation, there are 115 Australians in the U.S. nuclear navy training pipeline or on Virginia submarines, plus 130 training for nuclear submarine maintenance at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, U.S. navy officials said.
Reporting by Kirsty Needham in Perth; editing by Giles Elgood
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Reply #234 - Mar 28th, 2025 at 7:10pm
 
ABC Radio said today that Albo will form a minority Govt -

both main parties have only about 33% support.


The Greens are against AUKUS so we will save $368 billion -

if Labor wins a minority Govt.
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Reply #235 - Apr 1st, 2025 at 8:22pm
 

Today - latest -

Turnbull tells us the truth about the subs we'll never see -
not with an Australian flag:


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Reply #236 - Apr 11th, 2025 at 1:46pm
 
https://deftechtimes.com/musk-to-review-submarine-program-as-tariffs/



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Australia’s $368B Submarine Deal in Crisis —


Can Musk Fix America’s Broken Shipyards?
Currently, the country can build just over one Virginia-class nuclear-powered submarine a year.
But to meet its promise to sell three of these submarines to Australia in the 2030s,
the US must double its output.
If it fails, any US president at that time could cancel the deal.

Another problem is that the US is only sharing 70% of its military technology. Australia’s ambassador, Kevin Rudd, said Australians would keep pushing for full access.
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Reply #237 - Apr 12th, 2025 at 5:55pm
 
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Israeli defence officials pose with an EOS Remote Weapon System in January (Supplied: Israel's Ministry of Defense )


11th April  2025

Albo lied:

An Australian-designed weapon system has been trialed by Israel’s defence force
after federal government insists no defence exports there since the Gaza War began.
"What we can see clearly here is an Australian made weapon in the hands
of the Israeli military in Israel in January this year and
I think that really puts the lie to these denials we've had
from the Albanese government since
this appalling conflict started," Senator Shoebridge told the ABC.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-11/australian-weapons-trialled-by-israel-mil...
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Reply #238 - Apr 13th, 2025 at 2:05pm
 
The subs?

I doubt that the USA would do nothing if China invaded us.

What is more likely is that if Taiwan is invaded
we'll get dragged into it by the USA.
If we do get the nuclear powered subs my bet is that they will
form part of the US forces to hinder China -
we'll do what the Yanks tell us to do, as we always have since WW2.
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Reply #239 - Apr 15th, 2025 at 9:04pm
 
Don't panic.



https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/01/china-suddenly-building-fleet-of-sp...

China Suddenly Building Fleet Of Special Barges Suitable For Taiwan Landings


Published on 10/01/2025


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Artist's impression of the special barge being used as a pier to land tanks and troops across an otherwise unsuitable beach. The tanks are transported by civilian roll-on roll-off (RORO) ferries.


China is building at least five new special purpose barges which appear tailor made for amphibious assault. The barges may provide the PRC (People's Republic of China) with a unique way to offload large numbers of tanks directly onto Taiwanese roads.



Anyone wondering what an invasion of Taiwan might look like now has a fresh visual clue. Defence analysts watching Chinese shipyards have noticed an increase in a particular type of vessel.

A number of special and unusual barges, at least 3 but likely 5 or more, have been observed in Guangzhou Shipyard in southern China. These have unusually long road bridges extending from their bows. This configuration makes them particularly relevant to any future landing of PRC (People’s Republic of China) forces on Taiwanese islands.

Naval News has seen multiple sources confirming their construction, and has shared information with naval experts to validate our preliminary analysis. The consensus is that these are most likely for amphibious landings.

More here:

https://bsky.app/profile/covertshores.bsky.social/post/3lkandpbef22q
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