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Reply #180 - Dec 4th, 2024 at 4:01pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2024 at 9:40am:
see above.

Notice there was no talk of diplomacy to try and end the arms race in our region?


Like all mindless  "freedom values" war mongers, Lib or Lab., but mostly RW.

Today we hear the RW S.Korean president imposed martial  law overnight, because someone had expressed a preference to maintain communication with the "communists" in N. Korea - what a drop-kick; fortunately the parliament voted the RW nut-job president  down and he is now facing calls to resign.

And another RW drop-kick: Dutton today berating the Oz government for "not joining our ally the US" in a UNGA resolution yesterday to begin forcing illegal settlers out of the WB as part of the process to achieve a 2-state solution, to secure ME peace.

The UNGA vote: 157 for, 8 against (no prizes for quessing two of them) and 7 abstentions.

8 nations led by RW ratbags and paranoid "freedom values" neanderthals who don't believe in supporting  international law.

Anyway it's game on, the ongoing Israeli  genocide is concentrating everyones' minds in a serious way now. 

And I'm rapidly losing confidence in Trump to get anything done re ending wars; it seems he wants to hand all of the former Palestine Mandate to Israel,  guaranteeing  endless conflict in the ME. 

And the noises coming out of Moscow re Trump's impending ascension  aren't encouraging, either. 

   
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Reply #181 - Dec 4th, 2024 at 4:29pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4th, 2024 at 4:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2024 at 9:40am:
see above.

Notice there was no talk of diplomacy to try and end the arms race in our region?


Like all mindless  "freedom values" war mongers, Lib or Lab., but mostly RW.

Today we hear the RW S.Korean president imposed martial  law overnight, because someone had expressed a preference to maintain communication with the "communists" in N. Korea - what a drop-kick; fortunately the parliament voted the RW nut-job president  down and he is now facing calls to resign.

And another RW drop-kick: Dutton today berating the Oz government for "not joining our ally the US" in a UNGA resolution yesterday to begin forcing illegal settlers out of the WB as part of the process to achieve a 2-state solution, to secure ME peace.

The UNGA vote: 157 for, 8 against (no prizes for quessing two of them) and 7 abstentions.

8 nations led by RW ratbags and paranoid "freedom values" neanderthals who don't believe in supporting  international law.

Anyway it's game on, the ongoing Israeli  genocide is concentrating everyones' minds in a serious way now. 

And I'm rapidly losing confidence in Trump to get anything done re ending wars; it seems he wants to hand all of the former Palestine Mandate to Israel,  guaranteeing  endless conflict in the ME. 

And the noises coming out of Moscow re Trump's impending ascension  aren't encouraging, either. 
   



There is no good faith in the world now -

if there was every country would be desperate to sign arms reduction treaties.
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Reply #182 - Dec 4th, 2024 at 4:37pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4th, 2024 at 4:01pm:
The UNGA vote: 157 for, 8 against (no prizes for quessing two of them) and 7 abstentions.

8 nations led by RW ratbags and paranoid "freedom values" neanderthals who don't believe in supporting  international law.


"with 157 votes in favour, eight against (Argentina, Hungary, Israel, Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Papua New Guinea, United States) and seven abstentions (Cameroon, Czech Republic, Ecuador, Georgia, Paraguay, Ukraine, Uruguay).

https://press.un.org/en/2024/ga12661.doc.htm

I am guessing you guessed Australia. Can't read past the headlines, AGAIN. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #183 - Dec 4th, 2024 at 4:42pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 4th, 2024 at 4:37pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4th, 2024 at 4:01pm:
The UNGA vote: 157 for, 8 against (no prizes for quessing two of them) and 7 abstentions.

8 nations led by RW ratbags and paranoid "freedom values" neanderthals who don't believe in supporting  international law.


"with 157 votes in favour, eight against (Argentina, Hungary, Israel, Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Papua New Guinea, United States) and seven abstentions (Cameroon, Czech Republic, Ecuador, Georgia, Paraguay, Ukraine, Uruguay).

https://press.un.org/en/2024/ga12661.doc.htm

I am guessing you guessed Australia. Can't read past the headlines, AGAIN. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Israel won't give a damn about it -
they will keep on exterminating the Palestinians.

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Reply #184 - Dec 4th, 2024 at 10:26pm
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-04/strikemaster-could-soon-be-used-by-austra...

Missiles launched from Bushmaster vehicles could soon be operated by the Australian army
Exclusive by defence correspondent

Andrew Greene



4h ago

In short:
The Australian Army is a step closer to acquiring the StrikeMaster — a defence system that uses a Bushmaster vehicle to carry naval strike missiles.

The Albanese government is increasingly in favour of buying the local product, which is considerably cheaper than the American-made HIMARS weapon.

What's next?
Defence will formally examine whether to purchase the StrikeMaster instead of a second regiment of HIMARS as it looks to expand the army's long-range capability


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Reply #185 - Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:01pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 4th, 2024 at 4:37pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4th, 2024 at 4:01pm:
The UNGA vote: 157 for, 8 against (no prizes for quessing two of them) and 7 abstentions.

8 nations led by RW ratbags and paranoid "freedom values" neanderthals who don't believe in supporting  international law.


"with 157 votes in favour, eight against (Argentina, Hungary, Israel, Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Papua New Guinea, United States) and seven abstentions (Cameroon, Czech Republic, Ecuador, Georgia, Paraguay, Ukraine, Uruguay).

https://press.un.org/en/2024/ga12661.doc.htm

I am guessing you guessed Australia.


Poor low-IQ  lee would guess that.... Shocked


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Can't read past the headlines, AGAIN. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


you mean: Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Papua New Guinea - which are still  third world countries, former colonies,  in which:

(The Conversation)

"Adherence rates to Biblical Christianty (which (schizophrenically) teaches that "Jews are God's chosen people" despite Christains murdering Jews down through the centuries because "Jews  crucified God")  reach above 90% in most Pacific countries. Across the region, Israel and Judaism are exalted as the sacred foundations of their faith. Governments drawn from these societies duplicate these views, which are then borne out in international forums such as the UN".

Hmm.....while much of the first world has moved on, and don't kill Jews anymore. Nothing is more excruciating than  to see pre-enlightenment 3rd worlders praising God.

So disregard that tiny lot,  and we are left with Argentina who is sucking up to Trump to try to gain US support for its failing economy; and Hungary

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The fact that the largest Jewish community in Central Europe lives in Hungary plays a key role in the relationship between Hungary and Israel. Hungary also gives priority to its relations with the Hungarian-born diaspora of nearly 300,000 people living in Israel.


There you are, an examination  of the "headlines"  for you.  Cool

The US is the global "world policeman" led by its powerful jewish lobby,  combining with RW Christians awaiting  the 'rapture' (the 2nd Coming")....and Israel are the Chosen People". 

The abstentions? Cold war escapees wanting to please NATO, and S. American countries wanting to please the US. 

Now,  let's examine the 157......
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Reply #186 - Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:18pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:01pm:
Poor low IQ  lee would guess that..


Good comeback, but you didn't refute it. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:01pm:
Hmm.....while much of the first world has moved on, and don't kill Jews anymore. Nothing is more excruciating than  to see pre-enlightenment 3rd world-ers praising God.


Poor petal. You mean they have never thrown off the whiteman's yoke? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:01pm:
There you are, an examoination  of the "headlines"  for you.



And drawing the wrong conclusions, as usual.

So you think Hungary should not take an interest in the hungarian expats in Israel. Just Dump them and leave them? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

And still they get the "wrong" person elected, according to you. Wink
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Reply #187 - Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:27am
 
lee wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:01pm:
Poor low IQ  lee would guess that..


Good comeback, but you didn't refute it. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:01pm:
Hmm.....while much of the first world has moved on, and don't kill Jews anymore. Nothing is more excruciating than  to see pre-enlightenment 3rd world-ers praising God.


Poor petal. You mean they have never thrown off the whiteman's yoke? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


No, I mean they are pre-enlightenment literalists blinded by the religion of their colonizers - a religion which is no longer taken literally  (post enlightenment),  except by extremist simpletons and 3rd world dreamers.

Meanwhile,  genocidal maniacs like Netanyahu who claim the ICJ and ICC are "antisemtic", while murdering women and children because Islamic fighters living amongst them   - who believe in "freedom or death" - periodically rise up against Israel's illegal occupation of their land.

The world wants the IDF out of land designated by the UN  as the Palestinian state.      

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And drawing the wrong conclusions, as usual.


Your error: your idea of "the wrong conclusion" results from YOUR blind rejecton of international law, which doesn't see Israel as the Jewish  "Promised Land".

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So you think Hungary should not take an interest in the hungarian expats in Israel. Just Dump them and leave them? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


NO, dummy, why do you ask that (even allowing for the fact you are a dummy)?

And still they get the "wrong" person elected, according to you. Wink [/quote]

No idea who you are referring to (the highlighted).  Please elucidate.
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Reply #188 - Dec 6th, 2024 at 1:13pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:27am:
No, I mean they are pre-enlightenment literalists blinded by the religion of their colonizers - a religion which is no longer taken literally  (post enlightenment),  except by extremist simpletons and 3rd world dreamers.


So the religion is bad, does that make China good? Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:27am:
Your error: your idea of "the wrong conclusion" results from YOUR blind rejecton of international law, which doesn't see Israel as the Jewish  "Promised Land".


I was referring to the fact that you find Hungary supporting their people in Israel as bad. Hungary allows multiple citizenships. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:27am:
NO, dummy, why do you ask that (even allowing for the fact you are a dummy)?



You were the one highlighted Hungary's protection of its citizens abroad, namely Israel in this instance. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:27am:
No idea who you are referring to (the highlighted).  Please elucidate.



You highlighted the wrong part. "according to you". There fixed it for you. Wink

You are just a joke. You can't refute, you can't cite figures, NOTHING. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #189 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:45pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 1:13pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:27am:
No, I mean they are pre-enlightenment literalists blinded by the religion of their colonizers - a religion which is no longer taken literally  (post enlightenment),  except by extremist simpletons and 3rd world dreamers.


So the religion is bad, does that make China good? Wink


Poor lee, can't conduct a logical debate...(answer to his dumb question: no).

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I was referring to the fact that you find Hungary supporting their people in Israel as bad. Hungary allows multiple citizenships. Roll Eyes


I didn't say Hungary supporting its own people in Israel  was bad, I noted Hungary is one of the few supporters  of Israel in the UNGA, and looked behind the headlines, to understand why.  What IS bad is Israel's rejection of international law (and the ICJ, ICC etc).      

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You highlighted the wrong part. "according to you". There fixed it for you. Wink


You didn't fix anything, you low IQ fraud  (are you Fraudiver...?)

I asked for  clarification of your statement, namely

And still they get the "wrong" person elected, according to you


I now see "they" refers to Hungary -  already addressed above. Nothing wrong with Hungary supporting its citizens abroad, but Hungary (like the 7 other blind ideologues inc.  the US  and/or other happy clappers)  is wrong to support the international law defying, genocidal state of Israel.    

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You are just a joke. You can't refute, you can't cite figures, NOTHING. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Feel better now?

But unfortunately for you, I just refuted that assertion, above. You better stick to your "climate hoax" and "clean fossil" theories, it's easier to propogate false theories  when  complex stats are involved.

But your blind attachment to the genocidal, international law defying state of Israel is indefensible, under international law.   
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Reply #190 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 5:55pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
Poor lee, can't conduct a logical debate...(answer to his dumb question: no).


So says the person who can't debate science or economics. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
I didn't say Hungary supporting its own people in Israel  was bad, I noted Hungary is one of the few supporters  of Israel in the UNGA, and looked behind the headlines, to understand why.


Then why did you embolden that particular section? " largest Jewish community in Central Europe lives in Hungary " woulkd have done better. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
And still they get the "wrong" person elected, according to you


And you highlighted the wrong part. Not my fault.  Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
I now see "they" refers to Hungary -  already addressed above.


You have only just seen it? More news that you don't read past the headlines? Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
But unfortunately for you, I just refuted that assertion, above.


Nope. Nothing above "refutes". It merely shows a difference of opinion. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
You better stick to your "climate hoax" and "clean fossil" theories, it's easier to propogate false theories  when  complex stats are involved.



You can't even do simple stats. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
But your blind attachment to the genocidal, international law defying state of Israel is indefensible, under international law.   


And you still can't show that alleged attachment. You found it by your impossible "reading between the lines" bullschist. Wink
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Reply #191 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 11:23am
 
lee wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 5:55pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
Poor lee, can't conduct a logical debate...(answer to his dumb question: no).


So says the person who can't debate science or economics. Grin Grin Grin Grin


The dumb Conservative on full display: ignored the fact his dumb question <"So the religion is bad, does that make China good?"> was a low IQ,  nonsequitur diversion, and now claims I can't debate science or economics....I can certainly debate this low IQ Conservative  who asks dumb low IQ questions like the one above.   


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Then why did you embolden that particular section? " largest Jewish community in Central Europe lives in Hungary " woulkd have done better. Wink


Again low IQ mentally incompetent lee on full display; we know why Hungary voted with the international law defying pro Israel ideologues and (pre-enlightenment happy happy clappers in the Pacific islands) ie because Hungary's expatriates in Israel   have friends in the home country whose votes the  government  wants to hold. 

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You have only just seen it? More news that you don't read past the headlines? Grin Grin Grin Grin


Poor low IQ lee: "see" means "understood" , obviously, in light of the preceding debate about Hungary.

And your asertion <"And still they get the "wrong" person elected, according to you"> is an unclear assertion:
Hungary didn't "elect" Israel , Hungary supported Israel, dummy....your blind Conservative ideology and low IQ led you to equate "elected" with "supported".

And Israel is an international law defying criminal state, beloved by blind Conservatives. 

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Nope. Nothing above "refutes". It merely shows a difference of opinion. Wink
 

Yeh - one opinion based on the concepts of universal morality, justice and fairness, and respect for the UN UDHR; and the other based on delusional RW 'individual rights/freedoms' Israel boot-lickers  and  the scriptures of a genocidal bronze age God.


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You can't even do simple stats. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


The issue is the complex stats in AGW CO2 models, which  you manipulate to assert your "climat hoax" and filthy fossils" theories.

Whereas you can't manipulate international law to suit your own preferences, you can only reject it in favor of the endless wars and poverty beloved by "freedom or death" Conservatives, and Conservative RW followers of  of the genocidical Jew god like the international criminal Netanuahu.   

Deplorable.      

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And you still can't show that alleged attachment. You found it by your impossible "reading between the lines" bullschist. Wink


Nothing "alleged" about it; Netanyahu is a genocidal  monster who rejects international law, and accuses the ICC of lacking jurisprudence because of, inter alia,  his "Chosen People" delusions......

 


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Reply #192 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 1:48pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 11:23am:
I can certainly debate this low IQ Conservative  who asks dumb low IQ questions like the one above.   


But still can't debate science or economics. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 11:23am:
Again low IQ mentally incompetent lee on full display; we know why Hungary voted with the international law defying pro Israel ideologues and (pre-enlightenment happy happy clappers in the Pacific islands) ie because Hungary's expatriates in Israel   have friends in the home country whose votes the  government  wants to hold. 


Then the first section held well. You were after something else. Something to do with your values, or lack thereof? Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 11:23am:
Poor low IQ lee: "see" means "understood" , obviously, in light of the preceding debate about Hungary.



Only in your tiny one track mind. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 11:23am:
And your asertion <"And still they get the "wrong" person elected, according to you"> is an unclear assertion:
Hungary didn't "elect" Israel , Hungary supported Israel, dummy....your blind Conservative ideology and low IQ led you to equate "elected" with "supported".


Who said it was any reference to Hungary? Your lack of logic is remarkable. Completely different paragraph.

"Generally, each paragraph should introduce a new concept or idea."

https://becomeawritertoday.com/how-to-start-a-new-paragraph/

Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 11:23am:
And Israel is an international law defying criminal state, beloved by blind Conservatives. 


That is the accuasation, has it been tried? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 11:23am:
Yeh - one opinion based on the concepts of universal morality, justice and fairness, and respect for the UN UDHR; and the other based on delusional RW 'individual rights/freedoms' Israel boot-lickers  and  the scriptures of a genocidal bronze age God.



You over emotional state is betraying itself again. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

So why does  the UN fail? Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 11:23am:
The issue is the complex stats in AGW CO2 models, which  you manipulate to assert your "climat hoax" and filthy fossils" theories.


You mean the stats from the IPCC? And I manipulate them? Youy are getting more and more delusional. So which of the IPCC models, if any, is correct? Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 11:23am:
Nothing "alleged" about it; Netanyahu is a genocidal  monster who rejects international law, and accuses the ICC of lacking jurisprudence because of, inter alia,  his "Chosen People" delusions......


The "allegation" was you proving your statement of my beliefs. Can't even follow a simple argument. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #193 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 1:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 11:23am:
I can certainly debate this low IQ Conservative  who asks dumb low IQ questions like the one above.   


But still can't debate science or economics. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


I'll defer to the IPCC and heterodox economists.

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Then the first section held well. You were after something else. Something to do with your values, or lack thereof? Wink


More meaningless waffle, in lieu of debate. Are you Fraudiver?

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Only in your tiny one track mind. Wink


More ad hominem without back up; whereas  I always make refernce to the specific errors emanating from your crippled Conservative low IQ brain

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Who said it was any reference to Hungary? Your lack of logic is remarkable. Completely different paragraph.


Say what you mean by "it", fraud. 

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"Generally, each paragraph should introduce a new concept or idea."


Yes - a new idea, clearly  defined, as opposed to vague references to "they" and "it",   you utter fraud.

I see now you are drawing on a list of fraudulent debating techniques, used by Conservatives to defend  a vicious 'survival of the fittest /might is right' ideology, in lieu of actual debate. 

157 nations voted to end the war in the Levant, 7 voted against the proposition - Conservative ideology raises its ugly head,  preferring to continue the genocide.   

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That is the accuasation, has it been tried? Roll Eyes


The ICC is on the case, having issued an arrest warrant against Netanyahu....stay tuned; the world is increasingly revolted by the ongoing genocide supposedly "to eliminate Hamas".

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You over emotional state is betraying itself again. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


On the contrary, your sick mentality is betrayed by an  indifference to life other than your own sorry a*se and those who agree with your ugly "freedom or death" ideology.

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So why does  the UN fail? Wink


You asking on behalf of Fraudiver? (sneaky...)

Because ugly Conservatives who reject international law, and demand that national sovereignty overrides international law ,  are still in command of the world.

I can assure you, the capacity for humans to destroy themselves and the planet is very real, so long as neanderthal Conservatives insist on the UNSC veto and insist on a right to wage "legal" war as a means of dispute settlement  between nations - an absurdity, in the age of MAD.      

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You mean the stats from the IPCC? And I manipulate them?


Yes. 

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Youy are getting more and more delusional. So which of the IPCC models, if any, is correct? Wink


I'll defer to the IPCC. In any case, we have to  get rid of the price gouging,  filthy fossil industry, it's as bad as smoking cigarettes (not good, did you know...)   

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The "allegation" was you proving your statement of my beliefs. Can't even follow a simple argument. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Your "beliefs" re Israel are set out in the bronze age OT, they are incompatible with modern international law.

And your beliefs re "clean fossils" are equally erroneous; smoking and fossil burning are both injurious to health and the environment, despite your PM2.5 rants.      


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Reply #194 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 6:37pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
I'll defer to the IPCC and heterodox economists.


But I showed you what the consensus of the IPCC in the Physical Science Basis, but you refuse to believe. As I said you have your own pet "experts" on which you rely, buy refuse to say how those "experts" are selected by you. You really are a no-trick pony. But it is good that you admit to NO science and NO economics. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
More meaningless waffle, in lieu of debate. Are you Fraudiver?


Oh dear. Can't read simple English and it is my fault. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
More ad hominem without back up; whereas  I always make refernce to the specific errors emanating from your crippled Conservative low IQ brain


Nope you don't. You make claims on your perceptions. Perceptions are not facts. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
Say what you mean by "it", fraud. 


The sentence stands on its own, and only a tiny mind can't perceive that. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
Yes - a new idea, clearly  defined, as opposed to vague references to "they" and "it",   you utter fraud.



More wombling from the master wombler. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
I see now you are drawing on a list of fraudulent debating techniques, used by Conservatives to defend  a vicious 'survival of the fittest /might is right' ideology, in lieu of actual debate. 


Oh dear he is reading between the lines again. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
The ICC is on the case, having issued an arrest warrant against Netanyahu....stay tuned; the world is increasingly revolted by the ongoing genocide supposedly "to eliminate Hamas".


So it is NOT proved. Therefore your thesis is invalid. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
On the contrary, your sick mentality is betrayed by an  indifference to life other than your own sorry a*se and those who agree with your ugly "freedom or death" ideology.



And more reading between the lines, and another failure. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
You asking on behalf of Fraudiver? (sneaky...)



Oh dear. Now he has conspiracy theory to add to the mix. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
I can assure you, the capacity for humans to destroy themselves and the planet is very real, so long as neanderthal Conservatives insist on the UNSC veto and insist on a right to wage "legal" war as a means of dispute settlement  between nations - an absurdity, in the age of MAD.    


So not from Climate Change/AGW? I am glad you finally cleared that up. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
Yes. 



Wow. Then you must have proof on how I have manipulated them. Please provide it. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
I'll defer to the IPCC.


You mean the one that says there is no existential threat in Climate Change? Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
In any case, we have to  get rid of the price gouging,  filthy fossil industry, it's as bad as smoking cigarettes (not good, did you know...)   


SMokimg cigarettes is FULL of PM2.5 particulates, much less than the atmosphere, and it hasn't been shown to be a cause of death in new smokers, let alone old smokers. Now cancer is something different, but non-smokers get cancer and heavy smoker don't. But you don't want to know that either. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
Your "beliefs" re Israel are set out in the bronze age OT, they are incompatible with modern international law.


And still fail to show attribution. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
And your beliefs re "clean fossils" are equally erroneous; smoking and fossil burning are both injurious to health and the environment, despite your PM2.5 rants.


So you have found that EPA study? Can you provide it to the general readership? Thank you in advance.

Which "clean fuels" have I cited? Be specific. Wink

Or do you only believe in "experts" who won't release their studies? Wink
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