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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1695 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:31pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

All nation-states are barbarian, when the cause demands it.

Crap. Not many nations have bombed thousands of kids.

Really? Read up on history.

Those states that have survived are those that have done whatever it takes to survive.

Statehood is not a god-given right, it is the result of its citizens' capacity to hold it together no matter the cost.

I don't give a crap about history. You've already been educated on the difference between the modern worlds military capabilities and that of yesteryears. Are you just slow or do you like being wrong?

Name a state that would not kill every enemy man, woman and child to defend itself if the need demanded it.

You been on the cool aid again? Is Israel defending itself from all those dangerous babies sleeping in their incubators? Or was it the kids hiding under their beds that scared Israel?
Cheesy

How many babies did the Allies kill when they bombed Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

How many German babies did the Allies kill when they bombed German and Italian cities?

How many Abyssinian babies did Italy kill when it invaded Abyssinia?

Again, you keep going back to WWII. Cheesy

We're in a different world. Israel can very well target Hamas without blowing up civilians. They can send a bomb through your bathroom window whilst you're on the shitter if they so wanted. The need to carpet bomb whole cities is no longer the only option in the modern world. It's the option terrorists take.

If IDF really didn't care about civilians this war would have been over on 8 October with zero life of any kind in Gaza.

They're working their way up.

First, they slaughter the babies, then the children, then the women, and then they'll wipe out all the men.

It's all part of the strategically planned genocide.

The genocide you condone, and encourage.

That's enough self-fellating, creep. Desist.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1696 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:13pm:

Are you saying it's perfectly okay for Israel to slaughter newborn babies because other countries have done the same thing in the past?

Seriously?

As a gay man, I'm guessing you'd like to imagine the world is all about peace and love.

It would have to be for you.

You don't have family you'd defend with your life or whatever it took and you rely on others for security.

How many of you lot have ever stopped a war?

Are you saying it's perfectly okay for Israel to slaughter newborn babies because other countries have done the same thing in the past?

Grow a set and answer the question.

If it came to defending family and national territory, I'd expect citizens to do what it takes.

I guess your only drive is not dying in pain from an anal tumour.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1697 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:35pm

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

All nation-states are barbarian, when the cause demands it.

Crap. Not many nations have bombed thousands of kids.

Really? Read up on history.

Those states that have survived are those that have done whatever it takes to survive.

Statehood is not a god-given right, it is the result of its citizens' capacity to hold it together no matter the cost.

I don't give a crap about history. You've already been educated on the difference between the modern worlds military capabilities and that of yesteryears. Are you just slow or do you like being wrong?

Name a state that would not kill every enemy man, woman and child to defend itself if the need demanded it.

You been on the cool aid again? Is Israel defending itself from all those dangerous babies sleeping in their incubators? Or was it the kids hiding under their beds that scared Israel?
Cheesy

How many babies did the Allies kill when they bombed Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

How many German babies did the Allies kill when they bombed German and Italian cities?

How many Abyssinian babies did Italy kill when it invaded Abyssinia?

Again, you keep going back to WWII. Cheesy

We're in a different world. Israel can very well target Hamas without blowing up civilians. They can send a bomb through your bathroom window whilst you're on the shitter if they so wanted. The need to carpet bomb whole cities is no longer the only option in the modern world. It's the option terrorists take.

If IDF really didn't care about civilians this war would have been over on 8 October with zero life of any kind in Gaza.

Israel cares about the support of the west, not civilians. Zero life in Gaza would have left Israel a pariah to the west. They would have been sanctioned and left at the mercy of whoever wanted to go after them.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1698 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:36pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:13pm:

Are you saying it's perfectly okay for Israel to slaughter newborn babies because other countries have done the same thing in the past?

Seriously?

As a gay man, I'm guessing you'd like to imagine the world is all about peace and love.

It would have to be for you.

You don't have family you'd defend with your life or whatever it took and you rely on others for security.

How many of you lot have ever stopped a war?

Are you saying it's perfectly okay for Israel to slaughter newborn babies because other countries have done the same thing in the past?

Grow a set and answer the question.

If it came to defending family and national territory, I'd expect citizens to do what it takes.

I guess your only drive is not dying in pain from an anal tumour.

Are you saying it's perfectly okay for Israel to slaughter newborn babies because other countries have done the same thing in the past?

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14652 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #1699 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:39pm John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:35pm: Zero life in Gaza would have left Israel a pariah to the west. Zero life in Gaza is exactly what the Arab states are hoping for. They're done with the Palestinian cause.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1701 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:13pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:35pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 8:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

All nation-states are barbarian, when the cause demands it.

Crap. Not many nations have bombed thousands of kids.

Really? Read up on history.

Those states that have survived are those that have done whatever it takes to survive.

Statehood is not a god-given right, it is the result of its citizens' capacity to hold it together no matter the cost.

I don't give a crap about history. You've already been educated on the difference between the modern worlds military capabilities and that of yesteryears. Are you just slow or do you like being wrong?

Name a state that would not kill every enemy man, woman and child to defend itself if the need demanded it.

You been on the cool aid again? Is Israel defending itself from all those dangerous babies sleeping in their incubators? Or was it the kids hiding under their beds that scared Israel?
Cheesy

How many babies did the Allies kill when they bombed Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

How many German babies did the Allies kill when they bombed German and Italian cities?

How many Abyssinian babies did Italy kill when it invaded Abyssinia?

Again, you keep going back to WWII. Cheesy

We're in a different world. Israel can very well target Hamas without blowing up civilians. They can send a bomb through your bathroom window whilst you're on the shitter if they so wanted. The need to carpet bomb whole cities is no longer the only option in the modern world. It's the option terrorists take.

If IDF really didn't care about civilians this war would have been over on 8 October with zero life of any kind in Gaza.

Israel cares about the support of the west, not civilians. Zero life in Gaza would have left Israel a pariah to the west. They would have been sanctioned and left at the mercy of whoever wanted to go after them.

So they DO care about civilians - not something you can say for Palestinian terrorists.
You are siding with pariahs like Hamas, concreter thicko. You are a pro-Hamas barbarian.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #1702 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:17pm Jasin wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:07pm: Failed Musician Television Boy Peccary is asking us a Question!!! What’s the question? Give me the bottom line (not the page long version of it). I just want to see if I can answer it.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 51719 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #1703 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:17pm Quick everyone! Stop what you're doing or thinking!! Failed Musician Television Boy Peccary has asked us all a Question!!!! We better answer him - or else!
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14652 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #1704 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:38pm Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:13pm: So they DO care about civilians - not something you can say for Palestinian terrorists. Up to a point, Lord Copper
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1705 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:48pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:38pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:13pm:

So they DO care about civilians - not something you can say for Palestinian terrorists.

Up to a point, Lord Copper

Cute.
Or trying to be.

Gaza = Hamas.

Israel = Jews.

At least the Germans had some internal resistance to the Nazis. The Russians had some internal dissidents. Even in China there is dissent.
Gazans have none. They are all Hamas.

You can see them on the streets of Sydney, London,, Paris, New York.

NONE of them protested against the massacre and brutality and hostage taking. NONE. None were repulsed, they celebrated. They want every day to be like 7 October.

And they live among us.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1706 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:57pm

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:48pm:

At least the Germans had some internal resistance to the Nazis. The Russians had some internal dissidents. Even in China there is dissent.
Gazans have none. They are all Hamas.

Aww, please.

All Germans. Austrians, most Hungarians, Ukrainians and others were Nazis between 1938 and 1944.

Russians... Some internal dissent... under Stalin?? Ha, ha!

Chinese?? Han Chinese... up in arms about the treatment of Uighurs, Tibetans and other minorities, are they?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1707 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 10:03pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:57pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:48pm:

At least the Germans had some internal resistance to the Nazis. The Russians had some internal dissidents. Even in China there is dissent.
Gazans have none. They are all Hamas.

Aww, please.

All Germans. Austrians, most Hungarians, Ukrainians and others were Nazis between 1938 and 1944.

Russians... Some internal dissent... under Stalin?? Ha, ha!

Chinese?? Han Chinese... up in arms about the treatment of Uighurs, Tibetans and other minorities, are they?

Soooooo...

Where is the internal dissent or resistance to Hamas?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1708 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 10:03pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 1:50pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 1:44pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 20^th, 2023 at 7:52pm:

Nothing was actually promised to Arabs. Certainly not to Muslims. So what you are trying to equivocate doesn't work on any level.

You mean a Divine promise? I'd like to see you cross-examine that one.

OK, around 637 AD, Caliph Umar received the surrender of the Patriarch of Jerusalem.

Around 1948, in come the Jewish Diaspora saying that the land was promised to them by Jehovah (so nick off.)

Meanwhile, about 450 AD, a party of Jutes departed across the North Sea and established new settlements in Kent. Not too much different from Jutland, but they liked it there so they decide to stay for a couple of thousand years or so, and the natives could just nick off to Wales.

OK, hypothetically in 2023, a group of farmers from Tunbridge Wells are inspired by their new Evangelical leader to head across to their ancestral lands (by rights) in Denmark and stage a Coup d'état. They evict the native Danes and tell them to go emigrate to Australia and bake their Apple Danishes over there instead.

My point is that it's borderline insanity to try to reverse history. Where do you draw the line?

In which case you voted NO in the most recent Referendum didn’t you?

Of course.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1709 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 10:10pm

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 10:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:57pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 9:48pm:

At least the Germans had some internal resistance to the Nazis. The Russians had some internal dissidents. Even in China there is dissent.
Gazans have none. They are all Hamas.

Aww, please.

All Germans. Austrians, most Hungarians, Ukrainians and others were Nazis between 1938 and 1944.

Russians... Some internal dissent... under Stalin?? Ha, ha!

Chinese?? Han Chinese... up in arms about the treatment of Uighurs, Tibetans and other minorities, are they?

Soooooo...

Where is the internal dissent or resistance to Hamas?

They're waiting until Hamas is destroyed, as Germans under the Nazis and Russians under Stalin did, and the Chinese will once the CCP collapses.

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