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September temperature spike
Oct 20th, 2023 at 2:15pm
 
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Oops. The highest ever temperature is due to anomalous warmth in Antarctica, which was still way below zero. Roll Eyes

Or another view -

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Remember anomalies again, not temperature.  Wink
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Reply #1 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 2:40pm
 
Excuse my stupidity on this Lee.
But can you clarify it a bit more?
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Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 10:24pm
 
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Reply #3 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 1:53pm
 
LOL, lee posts a globe showing high and very high temperatures all over the globe except for a slightly cooler area near South America and makes Antarctica the culprit   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Of course, lees does not give any evidence for his attribution.

Even UAH6 gives September a big spike up in temperature:
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Reply #4 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 1:54pm
 
WAY hotter than the last El Nino year, 2016.

The El Nino is tipped to grow stronger and last until the NH spring.

Wonder what Perth and Adelaide will experience? 46°C in Adelaide in 2016, 48°C possible this summer.
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Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2023 at 2:30pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 1:54pm:
WAY hotter than the last El Nino year, 2016.



Why don't you use REMSS anymore? You used to tell us it was so much better. Wink

Perhaps it is because they don't show it.

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Edit: El Nino aspect of NASA.

"By October 1997 and 2015, large areas of the central and eastern Pacific had sea levels more than 7 inches (18 centimeters) higher than normal. This year, sea levels are about 2 or 3 inches (5 to 8 centimeters) higher than average and over a smaller area compared to the 1997 and 2015 events. Both of the past El Niños reached peak strength in late November or early December, so this year’s event may still intensify.

“Every El Niño is a little bit different,” said Josh Willis, Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich project scientist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California. “This one seems modest compared to the big events, but it could still give us a wet winter here in the Southwest U.S. if conditions are right.”

https://www.nasa.gov/missions/jason-cs-sentinel-6/sentinel-6-michael-freilich/in...

But perhaps you can tell us why a natural event is the only one where temperature rises? Wink

Edit two: The data is from GISS and then graphed.

"Zonal annual means, 2002-present, updated through most recent complete year: TXT, CSV"

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

Poor petal. Can't even do his own research.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #6 - Nov 7th, 2023 at 4:14pm
 
If you look at your pretty graph you will see that temperatures fluctuate around a warming trend. El Ninos produce temperature spikes, volcanic eruptions and La Nina temperature drops but all over there is an unmistakable warming trend.

It is CO2 that drives temperature, not El Ninos.
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Reply #7 - Nov 7th, 2023 at 4:44pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 4:14pm:
If you look at your pretty graph you will see that temperatures fluctuate around a warming trend. El Ninos produce temperature spikes, volcanic eruptions and La Nina temperature drops but all over there is an unmistakable warming trend.



And nothing to do with CO2. Wink It has been warming since BEFORE the Industrial Revolution. How do you explain that?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 4:14pm:
It is CO2 that drives temperature, not El Ninos.


Temperature drives CO2 at all time scales. Roll Eyes

So tell us why you don't like REMSS any more? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #8 - Nov 7th, 2023 at 4:58pm
 
LOL, the Milankovitch Cycle started turning down 5000+ years ago causing cooling.

Wherefrom is this strange warming you babble about, lees?
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Reply #9 - Nov 7th, 2023 at 5:33pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 4:58pm:
Wherefrom is this strange warming you babble about, lees?



Coming out of the LIA, but I repeat myself. Wink
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Reply #10 - Nov 7th, 2023 at 5:38pm
 
You said:
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It has been warming since BEFORE the Industrial Revolution.


I showed that that is untrue.

Warming since the IR due to CO2 etc emissions, yes.

Do you still maintain there was warming before the IR?
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Reply #11 - Nov 7th, 2023 at 5:45pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 5:38pm:
I showed that that is untrue.


Nope. You have shown nothing.  Provide a link.
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 5:38pm:
Warming since the IR due to CO2 etc emissions, yes.


So tell me about this fabled Greenhouse that doesn't have any winds, oceans etc. Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Do you still maintain there was warming before the IR?


Yes I do.
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Reply #12 - Nov 7th, 2023 at 6:00pm
 
There wasn’t.

When the Milankovitch Cycle started turning down temperatures turned down with it.

Can you point out the warming pre IR?
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Reply #13 - Nov 7th, 2023 at 6:04pm
 
That's too bloody funny. The flawed Marcott et al and 2000 years per inch. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #14 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 5:52am
 
CET shows warming after the LIA.
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Reply #15 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 12:06pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 5:52am:
CET shows warming after the LIA.


Yes it does, it started before the IR.

The graph is centred at 1961-1990. See all those bumps above the 1960 level?
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Reply #16 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 12:33pm
 
Some fluctuations is all.
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Reply #17 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 2:16pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 12:33pm:
Some fluctuations is all.



yes, showing the planet heating slowly. You expected a monotonic rise? Roll Eyes
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Reply #18 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 2:51pm
 
Just fluctuations, not real systematic warming.
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Reply #19 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 3:31pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 2:51pm:
Just fluctuations, not real systematic warming.



Just like the global cooling scare from the 40's to the 70's, ay? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

one 30 year climate period. Wink
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Reply #20 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 4:38pm
 
No, AGW did stop for about 40 years, masked by sulphate emissions.

CET is just fluctuations, no trend.
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Reply #21 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 5:07pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 4:38pm:
No, AGW did stop for about 40 years, masked by sulphate emissions.

CET is just fluctuations, no trend.



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Reply #22 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 5:12pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 4:38pm:
No, AGW did stop for about 40 years, masked by sulphate emissions.


That's one possible explanation. Of course it could be completely bogus. Like AGW is a result of the various Clean Air Acts. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 4:38pm:
CET is just fluctuations, no trend.


You really are in denial, you denier you. So tell us why the Downwelling Longwave Radiation has been going down, when according to theory it should be going up. Remember Feldman et al was was models all the way down. Wink

And then of course 35 years Vs 10. Wink
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Reply #23 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 5:33pm
 
Do you think that paper was about measuring down welling infrared radiation? The abstract defines what the paper is about.
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Reply #24 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 6:57pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 5:33pm:
Do you think that paper was about measuring down welling infrared radiation?


So you can't read a graph. Who knew? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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You didn’t read the abstract let alone the whole paper, did you, lees?
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Reply #26 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:42pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 7:40pm:
You didn’t read the abstract let alone the whole paper, did you, lees?



Poor JM. Can't read a graph. It doesn't matter what they wanted to show. It does matter what it shows. Wink
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Reply #27 - Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:48pm
 
No, lees read the crap introduction but not the actual paper.

As the earth warms, does the surface emit more or less IR, lees?
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Reply #28 - Nov 9th, 2023 at 1:28pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:48pm:
As the earth warms, does the surface emit more or less IR, lees?


According to CO2 THEORY not physical evidence.  Wink


“It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.”
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Reply #29 - Nov 9th, 2023 at 2:45pm
 
As the Earth warms does the surface emit more or less IR, lees?

This is nothing to do with CO2 you silly twit.
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Reply #30 - Nov 9th, 2023 at 2:56pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 2:45pm:
As the Earth warms does the surface emit more or less IR, lees?


Yes. And when it cools it emits less. So there is no one figure that can be applied to the earth. Even though Climate Seance TM says there is.

The Antarctic is cooling. The +6C shown for September shows why you shouldn't use anomalies. I know you believe in AGW, but why can't you tell us why we have cooling in the Antarctic. Roll Eyes
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Reply #31 - Nov 9th, 2023 at 3:11pm
 
That is correct: as the Earth warms the surface emits more IR.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 3:11pm:
That is correct: as the Earth warms the surface emits more IR.

But it is not warming evenly. And in parts it is cooling. So one model does not fit all.  Roll Eyes
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Is the surface warming, lees?

Is the surface therefore emitting more IR, lees?
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Reply #34 - Nov 9th, 2023 at 4:37pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 4:29pm:
Is the surface warming, lees?

Is the surface therefore emitting more IR, lees?



Is the sun shining? Will the earth continue to emit IR after the sun goes dark? Roll Eyes
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I accept your surrender.
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Reply #36 - Nov 9th, 2023 at 5:07pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 4:51pm:
I accept your surrender.


I answered your question. No surrender involved. Grin Grin Grin Grin

lee wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
But it is not warming evenly.


You have an attribution problem where only anomalies count and the w/m2 is the same globally. Roll Eyes
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Reply #37 - Nov 9th, 2023 at 5:09pm
 
You did not answer my question.

Have you desperately started reading the paper you cited?
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Reply #38 - Nov 10th, 2023 at 11:52am
 
Have you worked out why DLR has been going down?
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That is not what the paper was about, as I have told you before.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 12:12pm:
That is not what the paper was about, as I have told you before.



And I told you, have a look at the results. Results (experiments) count. The results show your theory at least partially wrong. Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - Nov 10th, 2023 at 3:54pm
 
That is not what the paper was about, as I have told you before.

You will have to read the actual paper, lees.

Hotter surface temperature so more IR, CO2 continuing to rise so what you think the paper shows is impossible.

READ the actual paper, lees.
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Reply #42 - Nov 10th, 2023 at 5:31pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
That is not what the paper was about, as I have told you before.



But that was a conclusion Yes? Roll EyesJovial Monk wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Hotter surface temperature so more IR, CO2 continuing to rise so what you think the paper shows is impossible.


No. according to CO2 theory it should go up. Why is it not. Earth's temperature has increased minimally. Do you expect a big jump in temperature? Can it be sorted from the noise? Roll Eyes



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Reply #43 - Nov 10th, 2023 at 5:46pm
 
It is not “CO2 theory” but quantum mechanics.

So back radiation can’t be decreasing.

Read the paper, lees.
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Reply #44 - Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:41pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
So back radiation can’t be decreasing.



And yet that's what the graph shows.

PS. I didn't know you were an expert on Quantum Mechanics as well. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #45 - Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:06pm
 
I did do two years of physics at Uni.

I have also discussed how molecules that absorb IR behave—with a photon with wavelength equal to the distance of two atoms in a molecule—the C—O bond in CO2 the atom vibrates and various possible ways.

This is analogous with an electron absorbing a photon jumping to a higher orbit.

Quantum mechanics, read up on it, lees.
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Reply #46 - Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:33pm
 
So you tell me you have read the paper and still haven't been able to overturn the graph. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #47 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 7:00am
 
Poor lees, thought he had something. He doesn’t.

Read the paper, lees!
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Reply #48 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 2:16pm
 
I have. And you can't say that it says otherwise than what I posted. Cry me a river. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #49 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 2:49pm
 
You haven’t read the paper, liar!
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Reply #50 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 3:52pm
 
Poor JM. Back to his standard response. Can't debunk what was written, so resorts to ad homs. Cry Cry
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Reply #51 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 4:16pm
 
You CLEARLY have not read the paper, not even read the abstract.
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Reply #52 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 4:28pm
 
Wrong. It was the clouds that done it. Wink

You know the clouds that the models don't do well. Wink
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