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One flew over the Cuckoo's nest
Oct 19th, 2023 at 4:28am
 
Sorry I'm late by many decades, but I've finally got around to watching the movie ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST.

Look, great acting by great actors. Well directed, etc, etc.
But lets face it. It's a movie whose male characters are all Beta males, even the head of the Facility who immediately has rapport with Nicholson's sex predator character. The only Alpha character is Nurse Ratched.
So begins the sexist Murphy's need to dominate women out of his own Beta male 'arsehole' insecurity - and Nurse Ratched the Alpha is a 'threat' to that insecurity. Thus Murphy exploits the other Patients to gain his dominance for his own self-centred ego needs to use against the Alpha Female. Sure, he creates all the 'fun'  via chaos to create the illusion that is what they need. It's a dangerous thing to play with the minds of the mentally vulnerable and that's exactly what the Murphy character does - especially when it goes against the current of what a number of them 'voluntarily' put themselves in for. Eventually it all comes down to that very narrow bottleneck and results in a young male patient 'forced' into losing his virginity to a prostitute just to satisfy the 'need' of Murphy's ego and Beta persona having trouble dealing with an Alpha female that wouldn't submit to him - as 'all' women should, as nothing more than sex objects. She 'rules' in the name of 'Professionalism' and he just can't cope with that sort of rejection... that 'cold' look rejection that has to stay on top of things. I mean - was making a Patient sleep with a Prostitute really worth suicide because of the 'conflict' between an Alpha Female and Murphy? Who knows, maybe that young Patient could have overcome his (Beta) problems to become an Alpha male? The kind Murphy would have hated also.

All in all, from what I've heard about this film over the decades - it is good. But I believe the characters are misplaced: Murphy is the Villain, Nurse Ratched was the victim. I mean - this is a story written by some guy who was an Orderly and willing 'guinea-pigged' himself for Psychedelics. Then based the narration on an Amerindian/White half-caste who was Schizoid and saw everyone as machines. C'mon!!! Roll Eyes Going by that - in 'reality', its obvious that Murphy didn't fly over the Cuckoo Nest, he undermined it and destroyed it (cost of a Patient's life and a man's job, etc) with the Alpha Ratched barely keeping it together against a sexual predator and sexist Beta male who used everyone and anything to demean her and break her for his pathetic Beta male insecurities.

Having worked in the Psyche Industry myself. I've worked with many a Nurse Ratched, except they were women who were just doing their job as 'professionally' as they could and I've seen many a patient like Murphy whom needs the world to revolve around them and their selfish needs.

So it is a superb film. True. But its pretty obvious that the whole story displaces the Villain and the Hero characters in the wrong light. But hey, this was a story written by a drugged out Orderly, narrated by a Schizoid character and made into a film by an Industry plagued by male Sex Predators and Sexists who paint the picture of a woman like Nurse Ratched as a hard nut to crack and that its her fault for not 'submitting'.

Movie quality: 5 stars.
Acting: 5 stars.
Story: An absolute load of rubbish, unless you want to 'glorify' Sex Predators - which Hollywood has been renowned to do.
Nicholson's Character: Total Anti-Hero!
Fletcher's Character: True Hero in the face of adversity.

PS: Hi Margaret. Like my review?  Cheesy
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Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2023 at 5:09am
 
I'll also add that the Chief's suffocation of Murphy was an acceptance of an end to his hatred of 'White Woman' of whom he blames for the death of his father by his white mother (of whom he projected upon Nurse Ratched). The realisation that Murphy was an imbecile all along (symbolised by his Lobotomy) - he was finally free of that hatred for his mother.
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Reply #2 - Oct 19th, 2023 at 6:16am
 
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Reply #3 - Oct 19th, 2023 at 10:22pm
 
Yeah - it at least lived up to reviews that I've put up with about it over the decades and people going on about it.
I thoroughly enjoyed it - but it kinda (especially going by the reviews, etc) tries to paint Nicholson's character in a good light and male sexism as well.
In other words - its a story/movie about a man who converts others to hate women.
The only male character that 'frees' himself from that inferiority victimhood hatred of women is the Chief - who walks away from blaming his 'white mother' anymore, as seen by the prevailing Nurse Ratched and the adversity she had to put up with. Even the emotional blackmail of a suicide and murder attempt of her being choked.
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Reply #4 - Oct 19th, 2023 at 10:28pm
 
I heard recently that the author of OFOTCN, Ken Kesey, based his novel on an analogy for communism vs democracy.
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Reply #5 - Oct 19th, 2023 at 11:15pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 10:28pm:
I heard recently that the author of OFOTCN, Ken Kesey, based his novel on an analogy for communism vs democracy.


Oh now that IS interesting.

So I guess the mental institution in said novel functioned as a microcosm of a strictly controlled Communist State where the individual was dispossessed of their right to make any decisions for themselves as well as the right to exist as an individual because free speech and free thought were not permitted. That would then mean that the entire novel was essentially all about the various individual creative strategies which could STILL survive under such circumstances AND be utilised by the different characters seeking to live life on their terms. And that would then make the protagonist the one/s who successfully DID escape into the land of the free where they could finally re appropriate the right to make decisions for themselves by repossessing the right to free thought and free speech.

Interesting parallel 👉 communist state and a mental institution.

So anyway ... how did you interpret the analogy?

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Reply #6 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 2:57am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 10:28pm:
I heard recently that the author of OFOTCN, Ken Kesey, based his novel on an analogy for communism vs democracy.

Well its a pretty anal analogy then.
Democracy is definitely the sexist sex-predator that sees an Alpha Communist Woman, just trying to do her job, as a threat to his con-job insanity within a con-job because Democracy is insane.

Basically then it proves that the USA Democracy is 'insane'.


Just watched THE BIG LEBOWSKI for first time.
Considered a great movie. But really, about as pointless as the main character and as scattered as the joints he smoked. Real C-Grade story with A-Grade stars.
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Reply #7 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:12pm
 


Thank you for posting your review of 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'
but I get the feeling that its post-modernist black humour may have
escaped you.

Black humour juxtaposes morbid, outrageous or repellent elements with
comical ones that underscore the senselessness, absurdities or futility of life.

'Pulp Fiction' and 'Catch-22' are also classic examples of this genre.

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Reply #8 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:31pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 2:57am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 10:28pm:
I heard recently that the author of OFOTCN, Ken Kesey, based his novel on an analogy for communism vs democracy.

Well its a pretty anal analogy then.
Democracy is definitely the sexist sex-predator that sees an Alpha Communist Woman, just trying to do her job, as a threat to his con-job insanity within a con-job because Democracy is insane.

Nurse Ratched and the orderlies weren't just doing their jobs, they were sadists.
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Reply #9 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:34pm
 
I see your point Ausgeoff.
Maybe I'm missing the 'humorous' application of Nurse Ratched being the villain.
If this is the case - then I think the movie and story are just 'diabolical' like the mind of the Murphy character and his sense of humour.
That's something I find hard to relate to as humour. My flaw.

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Reply #10 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:36pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:31pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 2:57am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 10:28pm:
I heard recently that the author of OFOTCN, Ken Kesey, based his novel on an analogy for communism vs democracy.

Well its a pretty anal analogy then.
Democracy is definitely the sexist sex-predator that sees an Alpha Communist Woman, just trying to do her job, as a threat to his con-job insanity within a con-job because Democracy is insane.

Nurse Ratched and the orderlies weren't just doing their jobs, they were sadists.


Ahh finally. In what way were they saddists and I've read this in a few reviews as to what those characters stood for?
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Reply #11 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:49pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:36pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:31pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 2:57am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 10:28pm:
I heard recently that the author of OFOTCN, Ken Kesey, based his novel on an analogy for communism vs democracy.

Well its a pretty anal analogy then.
Democracy is definitely the sexist sex-predator that sees an Alpha Communist Woman, just trying to do her job, as a threat to his con-job insanity within a con-job because Democracy is insane.

Nurse Ratched and the orderlies weren't just doing their jobs, they were sadists.


Ahh finally. In what way were they saddists and I've read this in a few reviews as to what those characters stood for?

The orderlies, who were all personally hired by Nurse Ratched, carried out her orders with as much antagonism and vindictiveness as they could get away with.

Ratched subtly manipulates the patients to control them such that they don't realise they're being manipulated and think of her as a kindly therapist.

Nurse Ratched's sadism is fully revealed when she threatens to tell Billy Bibbit's mother what Billy has done, which causes Bibbit to suffer a nervous breakdown and kill himself.
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Reply #12 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 5:27pm
 
The movie is about a lousy mental institution that does more harm than good.
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Reply #13 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 6:30pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:49pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:36pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:31pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 2:57am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 10:28pm:
I heard recently that the author of OFOTCN, Ken Kesey, based his novel on an analogy for communism vs democracy.

Well its a pretty anal analogy then.
Democracy is definitely the sexist sex-predator that sees an Alpha Communist Woman, just trying to do her job, as a threat to his con-job insanity within a con-job because Democracy is insane.

Nurse Ratched and the orderlies weren't just doing their jobs, they were sadists.


Ahh finally. In what way were they saddists and I've read this in a few reviews as to what those characters stood for?

The orderlies, who were all personally hired by Nurse Ratched, carried out her orders with as much antagonism and vindictiveness as they could get away with.

Ratched subtly manipulates the patients to control them such that they don't realise they're being manipulated and think of her as a kindly therapist.

Nurse Ratched's sadism is fully revealed when she threatens to tell Billy Bibbit's mother what Billy has done, which causes Bibbit to suffer a nervous breakdown and kill himself.

Really. If that's manipulation and saddism - then the entire American Health System needs to be evaluated so as to provide another health system in 'control' of helping the patients reach outcomes. You enter a Hospital - you play by their rules. Unless you feel that the Patients should all get 'Entertainment' instead?
Maybe they should check in to a nearby Entertainment venue to get what Murphy was offering?
Maybe they should also understand that the North American Health System is an Alpha 'female' industry (as it is in 3 other regions of the world). That is 'Western' Medicine for you.
So I'll say again that the movie was a sexist (sex predator) movie depicting a need for men to make 'all' women SUBMIT and not being recognised in any 'professional-career' way, especially by men who couldn't cut it themselves. If you read the story, which the movie doesn't include. Nurse Ratched has her uniform ripped apart so that she is forced to have her breasts exposed before being choked.

As for the 'Suicide' - well, do you think forcing a young man to lose his virginity via alcohol-fuelled peer pressure, to a prostitute is good? It's more Murphy's fault than the Nurse Ratched's who is only following the Therapy of what is laid out for the young man and his mother. Murphy corrupted that - and the 'clash' sent the young man insane resulting in his suicide.

The movie is a rotten ugly show of all that is rotten in men against women... and mothers who are to blame.
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Reply #14 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 6:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 5:27pm:
The movie is about a lousy mental institution that does more harm than good.


Just because you're in a country where the Medical Industry is an Alpha female, Beta male 'western' style too and you're insecure to put your faith in an Alpha female 'professionally' for any medical problems you may have.
Your only choice is to go to the 4 other regions where Alpha males run the Medical Show.

You get what you pay for.
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