Frank wrote on Dec 10
th, 2023 at 2:02pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10
th, 2023 at 10:13am:
Frank wrote on Dec 10
th, 2023 at 9:31am:
Israel now exists, it is a Jewish state,
but according to the UN who facilitated its creation, the WB is NOT part of Israel
Quote: it is far more developed than any of the countries around it. It is not going to be erased except by a colossal 7 October style pogrom by Islamic fanatics.
And the WB (and Gaza) isn't going away either, except via genocide by Israel .
Quote:That's the reality.
Quote: Muslims and lefties can carry on about free Palestine as much as they like but while Palestinians do not recognise Israel and give up the dream of erasing it there will not be a country for them unless Gaza is absorbed by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan and those two countries reign in and control the Palestinians.
Fatah recognizes Israel, but Israel doesn't recognize a Palestinian state.
Quote:A hostile Palestinian state hellbent on destroying Israel is not an option. Looking at the Palestinians, their accepting the existence of Israel and giving up jihad against it is not an option they can contemplate as an option.
See how bias blinds you; the UN didn't explain to the Arab world WHY Israel needed to be created, and failed to guarantee a secure Palestinian state as envisioned by the UN partition plan.
Israel accepted the partition plan of the UN in 1948.
Of course...a brand new state carved out of other peoples' land...what's not to like!!!?
Quote: They did not occupy Gaza and the WB then, did not have Golan, nor Sinai. The Arabs did not accept the UN plan but started a war immediately.
Of course, that's what I said: the UN lost control of its partition plan, and conflict has occured ever since.
Quote:And another one in 67
And another one in 73
And Intifadas galore since.
Rejected about 5 partition plans in 70 years and have not shown any good will.
Check the deviousness re UN res 242 (in 1967) ; the Western translation deliberately left out the article 'the' (in front of 'occupied territories'), so that endless disagreement would ensue between the parties.
Quote:When given self government in Gaza they elected Hamas that wants to destroy Israel.
That's because UN res 242 was stalled in the UNSC by Israel and its supporters; and Hamas was the reaction to this stalling.
Quote:Their devotees in the West are chanting 'from the river to the sea'and ''gas the Jews' every day.
Implement 242 and the chants will go away.
Quote:At what point is it time to say, 'well, **** 'em"?
When Israel gets out of the WB and Gaza, and agrees to UNSC protection observed by both sides, peace can ensue.