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Reply #645 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 5:21pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 12:20pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2023 at 7:52pm:

Muslims are the enemies of

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Textual analysis
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Self-reflection, dissent
Reason in all its manifestations

I have just returned from Qatar; there is a lively debate going on, about all these things.

But as for "reason in all it's manifestations", Meister's capacity for self-deception is legion, he thinks "instinct sensibilities" are "reason"; and predictably has run away when challenged, in Lisa's "The Hidden Cost of the Gaza War" thread (see the last post, there).

Fact: the UN - a creation of the victorious Western allies of WW2, in its wisdom, decided to create Israel out of Arab lands, at a time when indeed Islam was backward, in those lands.

Hence the origins of the conflict.

Much later, Netanyahu himself has deliberately fostered Hamas while working against Fatah**, to destroy any possibility of a two state solution - a policy which backfired spectacularly on Oct. 7th.

** according to a US research organization.

Netanyahu is now trying to keep the world onside: "where the hell are you", he shouts (referring to the rape and murder of Israeli women by Hamas).

But the world is now seeing the unrestrained slaughter of civilians in Gaza...and the US Dems are splitting over the spectacle.

Netanyahu has inadvertently increased the international calls for the 2 state solution, the last thing he and his gruesome "Promised Land" ideologues want...

"Lands previously conquered by Muslim Arabs" is what you wanted to say but held yourself back in the last moment, silly parrot.

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Re: Muslims Celebrate Hamas Terrorism in Sydney
Reply #647 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 8:14pm

Israel was Jewish property since the Exodus from Egypt, shortly thereafter, though estimates vary on how long it took for Moses to work out he should've taken a LEFT toin at Albuqoique instead of a right... even after the Arabs invaded, many Jews remained and many remained to this day.... others were scattered to the four winds in the Diaspora, but Israel remained Jewish territory even when conquered.... they never surrendered their sovereignty and actually knew about the concept of sovereignty and always knew where their true home was .... and continued to go 'home' to Israel .... 'next year in Jerusalem' was a catchy-cry throughout the world when various historic celebrations took place, Passover, etc... Next Year In Israel!!

Finally that day came, and the Arabs in many cases chose to oppose the Jews taking back their property.... and lost.... now Israel has been returned to its rightful owners.... who also happen to be the majority there as well..... and nobody will take it away from them.

Soon there will be no HAMAS to celebrate..... happy martyrdom, turkeys....

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Re: Muslims Celebrate Hamas Terrorism in Sydney
Reply #648 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 8:23am

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 12:20pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2023 at 7:52pm:

Muslims are the enemies of

Democracy
Freedom of thought, speech, conscience
Textual analysis
Humour, jokes
Self-reflection, dissent
Reason in all its manifestations

I have just returned from Qatar; there is a lively debate going on, about all these things.

But as for "reason in all it's manifestations", Meister's capacity for self-deception is legion, he thinks "instinct sensibilities" are "reason"; and predictably has run away when challenged, in Lisa's "The Hidden Cost of the Gaza War" thread (see the last post, there).

Fact: the UN - a creation of the victorious Western allies of WW2, in its wisdom, decided to create Israel out of Arab lands, at a time when indeed Islam was backward, in those lands.

Hence the origins of the conflict.

Much later, Netanyahu himself has deliberately fostered Hamas while working against Fatah**, to destroy any possibility of a two state solution - a policy which backfired spectacularly on Oct. 7th.

** according to a US research organization.

Netanyahu is now trying to keep the world onside: "where the hell are you", he shouts (referring to the rape and murder of Israeli women by Hamas).

But the world is now seeing the unrestrained slaughter of civilians in Gaza...and the US Dems are splitting over the spectacle.

Netanyahu has inadvertently increased the international calls for the 2 state solution, the last thing he and his gruesome "Promised Land" ideologues want...

"Lands previously conquered by Muslim Arabs" is what you wanted to say but held yourself back in the last moment, silly parrot.

In the 7th century AD.....that's why people refer to the ancestral lands of the Palestinians.

In fact Jews conquered the land from Canaanite tribes c.1300BC and within 200 years Israel had split, with the northern section soon to be swallowed by the Assyrian empire.

In fact Muslim Arabs have possessd the land for longer than Jews.

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Re: Muslims Celebrate Hamas Terrorism in Sydney
Reply #649 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 8:37am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 8:14pm:

Israel was Jewish property since the Exodus from Egypt, shortly thereafter, though estimates vary on how long it took for Moses to work out he should've taken a LEFT toin at Albuqoique instead of a right... even after the Arabs invaded, many Jews remained and many remained to this day....

Roughtly correct so far, but as for sovereignty over the land, Jews lost it progressively to the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Persians, from c.800BC on.

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others were scattered to the four winds in the Diaspora, but Israel remained Jewish territory even when conquered.... they never surrendered their sovereignty and actually knew about the concept of sovereignty and always knew where their true home was .... and continued to go 'home' to Israel .... 'next year in Jerusalem' was a catchy-cry throughout the world when various historic celebrations took place, Passover, etc... Next Year In Israel!!

Wrong, as already noted, please learn history: Jewish sovereignty in the land disappeared under the Babylonians, though the Persians allowed jews to return to Jerusalem, under the auspices of the Persian Empire.

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Finally that day came, and the Arabs in many cases chose to oppose the Jews taking back their property.... and lost....

Your ignorance and propaganda are egregious

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now Israel has been returned to its rightful owners.... who also happen to be the majority there as well..... and nobody will take it away from them.

Goebbels would love your powers to distort the truth.

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Soon there will be no HAMAS to celebrate..... happy martyrdom, turkeys....

Hamas is a creation of your above Jew mythology....

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Re: Muslims Celebrate Hamas Terrorism in Sydney
Reply #650 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 8:53am

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

They were not "Arab Lands".....

They were after c.600AD (except for a brief interlude oby Crusaders 1098-1187), when Muslims defeated the Byzantine empire in the Levant - and soon built the 'Dome of the Rock' 632AD, Jerusalem's most iconinc building even today.

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As fighting continues in the Middle East, a new genetic study shows that many Arabs and Jews are closely related. More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years.

Of course, all related to Cannanite DNA.

The results match historical accounts that some Moslem Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. They were descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times. And in a recent study of 1371 men from around the world, geneticist Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona in Tucson found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.

https://www.science.org/content/article/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry

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Of course, interbreeding of successive occupiers of the land, since before recorded history.
But the last 1400 years saw Muslims sovereign in the land, until the UN decided to partition the land against the will of the Arabs living there.

Your story is merely pro Jewish propaganda, denying historical relity.

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Re: Muslims Celebrate Hamas Terrorism in Sydney
Reply #651 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 9:30am

Way to evade the point - they never surrendered that sovereignty...

Now - if you are prepared to accept that the People lost part of that progressively to invaders - REAL invaders - through sheer force - you must accept that our Aborigines lost theirs, mostly through sheer numbers.

If anyone is going to claim that Israel has no right to occupy Israel (sic), then they must also, on the same basis, say that Aborigines have no right to occupy Australia - in fact, even less right, since Israelis, including Arab Israelis, are the very vast majority in Israel, and Aborigines are but 4% of the population here.

Israelis have been GRANTED sovereignty by a majority of world governments of the time.... Aborigines have not, and cannot supplant what is now the vast majority at 96% and more, and has been for a very long time.

I thank all those Aborigine supporters who oppose Israel in this conflict for their input and acceptance of the position of Aborigines.

One down... Trendies Nil - Wiseones 1, top of the first quarter... we will take back that asylum, one brick at a time if necessary... and will throw the Ham-handeds out ...

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Re: Muslims Celebrate Hamas Terrorism in Sydney
Reply #652 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 9:31am

Israel now exists, it is a Jewish state, it is far more developed than any of the countries around it. It is not going to be erased except by a colossal 7 October style pogrom by Islamic fanatics.

That's the reality. Muslims and lefties can carry on about free Palestine as much as they like but while Palestinians do not recognise Israel and give up the dream of erasing it there will not be a country for them unless Gaza is absorbed by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan and those two countries reign in and control the Palestinians.

A hostile Palestinian state hellbent on destroying Israel is not an option. Looking at the Palestinians, their accepting the existence of Israel and giving up jihad against it is not an option they can contemplate as an option.

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Reply #653 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 10:04am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 9:30am:

Way to evade the point - they never surrendered that sovereignty...

No..they died fighting, when they lost soveregnty to successive world empires, as in all exchanges of sovereignty in history.

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Now - if you are prepared to accept that the People lost part of that progressively to invaders - REAL invaders - through sheer force - you must accept that our Aborigines lost theirs, mostly through sheer numbers.

Of course.....but the era of the UN was supposed change the ancient 'might is right' system , post 1946...

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If anyone is going to claim that Israel has no right to occupy Israel (sic), then they must also, on the same basis, say that Aborigines have no right to occupy Australia - in fact, even less right, since Israelis, including Arab Israelis, are the very vast majority in Israel, and Aborigines are but 4% of the population here.

Confused thinking; Oz blacks were decimated by British invaders during the mythology of terra nullius; "Israelis" ie mostly Arab Muslims until the deception of the Balfour Doctrine encouraged Jewish migration to Palestine, and eventully Palestinians were forced out of their homes when the UN lost control of the partition in 1947/8.

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Israelis have been GRANTED sovereignty by a majority of world governments of the time....

Yes - under the UN who lost control of its baby who has now turned into a monster refusing to accept the UN partition plan.

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Aborigines have not, and cannot supplant what is now the vast majority at 96% and more, and has been for a very long time.

Addressed above; your population theory is irrelevent, international law is (supposed to have) existed since 1946.

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I thank all those Aborigine supporters who oppose Israel in this conflict for their input and acceptance of the position of Aborigines.

Irrelevant to the fact that israel was carved out of Muslim Arab lands, in 1947, against the will of the entire Arab world.

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One down... Trendies Nil - Wiseones 1, top of the first quarter... we will take back that asylum, one brick at a time if necessary... and will throw the Ham-handeds out ...

Like I said Goebblels would be proud of your and Gnad's ability to distort reality.

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Re: Muslims Celebrate Hamas Terrorism in Sydney
Reply #654 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 10:13am

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 9:31am:

Israel now exists, it is a Jewish state,

but according to the UN who facilitated its creation, the WB is NOT part of Israel

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it is far more developed than any of the countries around it. It is not going to be erased except by a colossal 7 October style pogrom by Islamic fanatics.

And the WB (and Gaza) isn't going away either, except via genocide by Israel .

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That's the reality.

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Muslims and lefties can carry on about free Palestine as much as they like but while Palestinians do not recognise Israel and give up the dream of erasing it there will not be a country for them unless Gaza is absorbed by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan and those two countries reign in and control the Palestinians.

Fatah recognizes Israel, but Israel doesn't recognize a Palestinian state.

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A hostile Palestinian state hellbent on destroying Israel is not an option. Looking at the Palestinians, their accepting the existence of Israel and giving up jihad against it is not an option they can contemplate as an option.

See how bias blinds you; the UN didn't explain to the Arab world WHY Israel needed to be created, and failed to guarantee a secure Palestinian state as envisioned by the UN partition plan.

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Re: Muslims Celebrate Hamas Terrorism in Sydney
Reply #656 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 11:30am

Soon will be - HAMAS demanded that Israel either surrender to their whim or take them over and establish a safe perimeter far from their rockets.... tits are tough. Israel doesn't need to possess it - just cleanse it of HAMAS and similars..... and make sure they don't re-emerge.....

No problem-o, Slick...

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Reply #659 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 11:35am

No problem, Cochise....

... did you take up the referendum paper, feel a shiver... did your hand shake as you went to put yes to it? Did you waver at the last moment and finally give in and vote no as most did? remember the sub-conscious advertising... the subtle manipulation of your often feeble matter.... Ecioveht Otonetov did that .....

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