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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #135 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:20am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.

Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....

So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #136 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:27am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.

Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....

So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.

Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #137 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:37am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.

Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....

So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.

Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #138 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:51am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.

Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....

So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.

Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.

He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #139 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:53am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.

Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....

So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.

Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.

He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation/ and scholars through the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which an safely be parked away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.

Can you quote the chapters/verses where Joseph is mentioned in Mark and John?

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #140 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:54am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.

Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....

So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.

Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.

He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.

Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew, Luke and John.

I’m sure you’re quite capable in googling the relevant chapters/verses. I’m not here to play go fetch.

I’d really like to move on to Spinoza. I’m finding this particular discussion with you quite boring to be brutally honest. You do realise I have an agnostic/atheist husband ... yes? Well he has given me plenty of practice in debating all sorts of things relating to God and the Holy Bible. Free tip: Keep that in mind.

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #141 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:55am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.

Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....

So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.

Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.

He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.

Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew Luke and John.

Can you quote the chapters/verses where Joseph is mentioned in John?

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #142 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:00am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.

Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....

So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.

Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.

He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.

Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew, Luke and John.

I’m sure you’re quite capable in googling the relevant chapters/verses. I’m not here to play go fetch.

I’d really like to move on to Spinoza. I’m finding this particular discussion with you quite boring to be brutally honest. You do realise I have an agnostic/atheist husband ... yes? Well he has given me plenty of practice in debating all sorts of things relating to God and the Holy Bible. Free tip: Keep that in mind.

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #143 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:02am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:00am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.

Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....

So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.

Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.

He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.

Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew, Luke and John.

I’m sure you’re quite capable in googling the relevant chapters/verses. I’m not here to play go fetch.

I’d really like to move on to Spinoza. I’m finding this particular discussion with you quite boring to be brutally honest. You do realise I have an agnostic/atheist husband ... yes? Well he has given me plenty of practice in debating all sorts of things relating to God and the Holy Bible. Free tip: Keep that in mind.

So, you can't quote the gospel of John, then.

Of course you can't - there's no mention of Joseph in the gospel of John.

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #144 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:05am

Not quite right Meister:

Quote:

John's Gospel, which mentions Joseph by name twice, does not deal directly with the conception and birth of Jesus, but rather approaches his human origin in the context of eternal pre-existence:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.. The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into the world.. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us (Jn 1:1,9,14).

https://osjusa.org/st-joseph/scripture/iii-joseph-in-the-gospels-of-mark-and-joh...

So mentioned but largely irrelevant to the argument.

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #145 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:08am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:02am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:00am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.

Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....

So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.

Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.

He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.

Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew, Luke and John.

I’m sure you’re quite capable in googling the relevant chapters/verses. I’m not here to play go fetch.

I’d really like to move on to Spinoza. I’m finding this particular discussion with you quite boring to be brutally honest. You do realise I have an agnostic/atheist husband ... yes? Well he has given me plenty of practice in debating all sorts of things relating to God and the Holy Bible. Free tip: Keep that in mind.

So, you can't quote the gospel of John, then.

Of course you can't - there's no mention of Joseph in the gospel of John.

It has nothing to do with the word “CAN’T

I simply WON’T be providing you with links you yourself can easily google. I’m not here to play go fetch for you! Do it yourself.

Now when can we move on to Spinoza?

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #147 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:11am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:08am: