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Re: Rapist out on bail commits another felony
Reply #90 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:18pm:

He wasn't given it

Ah.

You've changed your tune.

Originally, you said: "He didn't buy it so this is a big nothing burger."

So, you've realised your mistake about him having to buy it in order for a crime to have been committed.

Good. We're getting somewhere.

The crime is committed when he receives the gun - on that we can all agree.

Now, I'll draw your attention to this photo:

[url]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/09/25/multimedia/TRUMP-GUN-qlwm/
TRUMP-GUN-qlwm-articleLarge.jpg[/url]

He seems to have a gun in his hand, yes?

That photo proves that he has received a gun, wouldn't you agree?

Or, will you now try to argue that it magically appeared in his hands without his authorisation?

Take your time in answering

Greggery, is this a pic of the big fella packing heat in violation of his felony indictment?

Or is it a pic of you checking out anal beads in a sex shop?

Could you inform Baron and Setanta?

Cheers.

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Re: Rapist out on bail commits another felony
Reply #91 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:29pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Hmmm let’s look at the full picture for a moment Greg

L18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts
(a) It shall be unlawful—
(1) for any person—
(A)
except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or in the course of such business to ship, transport, or receive any firearm in interstate or foreign commerce; or
(B)
except a licensed importer or licensed manufacturer, to engage in the business of importing or manufacturing ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship, transport, or receive any ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce;
(2) for any importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector licensed under the provisions of this chapter to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, except that—
(A)
this paragraph and subsection (b)(3) shall not be held to preclude a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector from returning a firearm or replacement firearm of the same kind and type to a person from whom it was received; and this paragraph shall not be held to preclude an individual from mailing a firearm owned in compliance with Federal, State, and local law to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector;
(B)
this paragraph shall not be held to preclude a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer from depositing a firearm for conveyance in the mails to any officer, employee, agent, or watchman who, pursuant to the provisions of section 1715 of this title, is eligible to receive through the mails pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person, for use in connection with his official duty; and
(C)
nothing in this paragraph shall be construed as applying in any manner in the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any possession of the United States differently than it would apply if the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or the possession were in fact a State of the United States;
(3)
for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, the State where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State, except that this paragraph (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State, (B) shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity with subsection (b)(3) of this section, and (C) shall not apply to the transportation of any firearm acquired in any State prior to the effective date of this chapter;
(4)
for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, to transport in interstate or foreign commerce any destructive device, machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986), short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, except as specifically authorized by the Attorney General consistent with public safety and necessity;
(5)
for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides; except that this paragraph shall not apply to (A) the transfer, transportation, or delivery of a firearm made to carry out a bequest of a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate succession of a firearm by, a person who is permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of the State of his residence, and (B) the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;
(6)
for any person in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material.

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commerce

the activities involved in buying and selling things:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/commerce

Little Pecca is an idiot with TDS

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Reply #92 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:38pm

Now the relevant legislation.

18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts

(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person, including as a juvenile—

(1)is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

(2)is a fugitive from justice;

(3)is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

What Trump likely did D, (1)

What Hunter is accused of D (3)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

This means that on the same form where Hunter ticked the no drugs box Trump would have had to tick the no indictments box.

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Re: Rapist out on bail commits another felony
Reply #93 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:41pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:29pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Hmmm let’s look at the full picture for a moment Greg

L18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts
(a) It shall be unlawful—
(1) for any person—
(A)
except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or in the course of such business to ship, transport, or receive any firearm in interstate or foreign commerce; or
(B)
except a licensed importer or licensed manufacturer, to engage in the business of importing or manufacturing ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship, transport, or receive any ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce;
(2) for any importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector licensed under the provisions of this chapter to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, except that—
(A)
this paragraph and subsection (b)(3) shall not be held to preclude a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector from returning a firearm or replacement firearm of the same kind and type to a person from whom it was received; and this paragraph shall not be held to preclude an individual from mailing a firearm owned in compliance with Federal, State, and local law to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector;
(B)
this paragraph shall not be held to preclude a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer from depositing a firearm for conveyance in the mails to any officer, employee, agent, or watchman who, pursuant to the provisions of section 1715 of this title, is eligible to receive through the mails pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person, for use in connection with his official duty; and
(C)
nothing in this paragraph shall be construed as applying in any manner in the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any possession of the United States differently than it would apply if the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or the possession were in fact a State of the United States;
(3)
for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, the State where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State, except that this paragraph (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State, (B) shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity with subsection (b)(3) of this section, and (C) shall not apply to the transportation of any firearm acquired in any State prior to the effective date of this chapter;
(4)
for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, to transport in interstate or foreign commerce any destructive device, machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986), short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, except as specifically authorized by the Attorney General consistent with public safety and necessity;
(5)
for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides; except that this paragraph shall not apply to (A) the transfer, transportation, or delivery of a firearm made to carry out a bequest of a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate succession of a firearm by, a person who is permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of the State of his residence, and (B) the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;
(6)
for any person in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material.

Quote:

commerce

the activities involved in buying and selling things:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/commerce

Little Pecca is an idiot with TDS

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Yet here you are supporting a totaly irelivant part of the code as if it means something ?

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Re: Rapist out on bail commits another felony
Reply #94 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:38pm:

Now the relevant legislation.

18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts

(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person, including as a juvenile—

(1)is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

(2)is a fugitive from justice;

(3)is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

What Trump likely did D, (1)

What Hunter is accused of D (3)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

The gun wasn't sold to Trump he didn't buy it. He did not walk out of those premises with a gun.

No felony there keep dreaming leftards.
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Re: Rapist out on bail commits another felony
Reply #96 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:47pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:18pm:

He wasn't given it

Ah.

You've changed your tune.

Originally, you said: "He didn't buy it so this is a big nothing burger."

So, you've realised your mistake about him having to buy it in order for a crime to have been committed.

Good. We're getting somewhere.

The crime is committed when he receives the gun - on that we can all agree.

Now, I'll draw your attention to this photo:

[url]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/09/25/multimedia/TRUMP-GUN-qlwm/
TRUMP-GUN-qlwm-articleLarge.jpg[/url]

He seems to have a gun in his hand, yes?

That photo proves that he has received a gun, wouldn't you agree?

Or, will you now try to argue that it magically appeared in his hands without his authorisation?

Take your time in answering

Greggery, is this a pic of the big fella packing heat in violation of his felony indictment?

Or is it a pic of you checking out anal beads in a sex shop?

Could you inform Baron and Setanta?

Cheers.

That's a pic of a rapist receiving a gun (into his tiny, tiny little hands) in violation of his felony indictment.

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Re: Rapist out on bail commits another felony
Reply #97 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:56pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:38pm:

Now the relevant legislation.

18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts

(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person, including as a juvenile—

(1)is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

(2)is a fugitive from justice;

(3)is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

What Trump likely did D, (1)

What Hunter is accused of D (3)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

The gun wasn't sold to Trump he didn't buy it. He did not walk out of those premises with a gun.

No felony there keep dreaming leftards.
Grin

Possible but then you wonder why his team were publicising that he did buy the gun. That is the thing with liars isn't it. You never really know when it is the truth or not.

Trump was recorded saying twice that he was going to buy it, His team reported that he had bought it. The rights TDS enables them it instantly conclude that he didn't really buy it.

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Re: Rapist out on bail commits another felony
Reply #98 - Sep 29^th, 2023 at 12:07am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:18pm:

He wasn't given it

Ah.

You've changed your tune.

Originally, you said: "He didn't buy it so this is a big nothing burger."

So, you've realised your mistake about him having to buy it in order for a crime to have been committed.

Good. We're getting somewhere.

The crime is committed when he receives the gun - on that we can all agree.

Now, I'll draw your attention to this photo:

[url]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/09/25/multimedia/TRUMP-GUN-qlwm/
TRUMP-GUN-qlwm-articleLarge.jpg[/url]

He seems to have a gun in his hand, yes?

That photo proves that he has received a gun, wouldn't you agree?

Or, will you now try to argue that it magically appeared in his hands without his authorisation?

Take your time in answering

Greggery, is this a pic of the big fella packing heat in violation of his felony indictment?

Or is it a pic of you checking out anal beads in a sex shop?

Could you inform Baron and Setanta?

Cheers.

That's a pic of a rapist receiving a gun (into his tiny, tiny little hands) in violation of his felony indictment.

I see. Case closed, leftards. Nothing to see here.

Mr Trump accepted this firearm, and as such, committed another federal felony and violated his bail conditions.

Now, who wants to defend the rule of law here? Bobby? Mort? Baron?

Setanta? You've gone rather shy.

What's the matter, cat got your tongue?

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Re: Rapist out on bail commits another felony
Reply #99 - Sep 29^th, 2023 at 12:14am

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:38pm:

Now the relevant legislation.

18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts

(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person, including as a juvenile—

(1)is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

(2)is a fugitive from justice;

(3)is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

What Trump likely did D, (1)

What Hunter is accused of D (3)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

The gun wasn't sold to Trump he didn't buy it. He did not walk out of those premises with a gun.

No felony there keep dreaming leftards.
Grin

Mr Trump hasn't put his hand in his pocket for a good twenty years, dear, but that's not the point. Under the law, no money needs to change hands.

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18 U.S.C. 922(n) makes it a crime to for a person under indictment to either ship or transport a firearm from one place to another, or to receive any firearm which has been shipped in interestate commerce.

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/did-trump-commit-a-felony-at-a-sc-gun-shop-toda...

Gangbangers don't necessarily pay for their guns legally either, dear. You've made the point many times yourself.

Ever get the feeling you've been fucked?

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Re: Rapist out on bail commits another felony
Reply #100 - Sep 29^th, 2023 at 12:26am

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 8:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 8:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

If he was visiting the company that makes Glocks as Geoff's post says ""President Trump buys a @GLOCK Inc. in South Carolina!/as he visited the Palmetto State Armory outlet in Summerville, SC," If that is where they are made then all the argument about interstate/foreign (or receive any firearm in interstate or foreign commerce) goes out the window.

Where are they made?

Greggy is an hysterical arm chair prosecutor. Roll Eyes

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And? - what is your point of contention?

If you click on his link you will find the company where Trump was pictured holding that pistol makes that pistol.

Id Trump walked into Hugo Boss or Volswagon dealer the headlines would say Trump supports Nazis. Grin

Just so. And if your Dear Leader invited a couple of Nazis over for dinner, you'd say ee.

If he got publicly sprung, you'd say ooh.

If he tried to deny it and make up all these excuses, you'd say er.

But secretly, you'd be perfectly happy, you'd open your mouth and say ah.

Ee, ooh, er, ah, oh. Just so, as every schoolboy knows.

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