Jasin wrote on Nov 5
th, 2023 at 8:36am:
Religion (Writing) is a Science you twit.
Writing was first used for factual and logistical reasons before a guy called Zarathustra decided to record Pagan stories and formulate them all into a Religion.
There is no doubt religion was our first attempt at explaining the natural world around us, our first attempt at science.
But we've come a long way since then.
Science is the pursuit of truth. When we find a better explanation for a given topic as new evidence is discovered, our reward is a greater understanding of the natural world.
That is the difference between an idea and a belief.
You can change an idea.
If you truly understood the concepts behind science and the scientific process, it doesn't show.
A lot of what early humans had to make up as divine intervention to explain why something is, we have been able to discover the truth behind it and no longer need to explain it by saying, "god did it".
There isn't a sun god etc, we understand thunderstorms etc.
The only place left for god in science is where we don't have answers.
But if we, for example, make the claim that dark energy is actually God's influence, then we stop investigating what it might really be. We have the answer, and for those who want to believe it, that's good enough.
The science ends there.
This is where religion and science are incompatible.
The moment we claim something is of divine origin it's no longer science.
The only reason one such as yourself would claim otherwise is to dismiss the scientific discoveries you don't like.
You're holding vastly incompatible views or you don't understand them, or you're paying lip service to protect your faith and dismiss what you don't like.
Quote:Wake up to yourself.
Exactly.
Quote:Atheists by 'tradition' have been from the Media/Music/Entertainment and pro-Evolution side that prefers to be more Anti-Religious than what they actually express what they stand for.
They are like more Anti-Trump Democrats 'more' than Pro-Democrat. People who lose their sense of core being, to chase an opponent down a rabbit hole of its own choosing.
That is why they are living in a 'no-mans land' between two lines of trenches on a battle field.
This is what makes me think you are simply lying and just paying lip service to the idea of scientific explanations because again, as in most arguments, you've tried to lump all the things you don't like together in a common evil and then tied that to them being godless as the cause.
Perhaps it's the other way around?
Those with the actual ability to engage in critical thinking, seek out the truth even if, and especially if, it doesn't align with their beliefs, come to the conclusion based on the evidence, that there is nothing to support in a candidate or party who would align behind someone like Trump.
Those same skills have also led them to question the existence of a God or gods, especially in the loving, forgiving and all-powerful version portrayed in say the New Testament, given the injustices in the world.
But to continue down that train of thought would involve an open discussion in good faith, which you are incapable of without getting triggered or running scared.
Speaking of, care to take another crack at,
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 4
th, 2023 at 7:48am:
Jasin wrote on Oct 31
st, 2023 at 5:18pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 31
st, 2023 at 3:08pm:
Tell me, what would it take for you to change your mind on your idea that to be an atheist, one must be anti-religion?
Are you having another Sook lefty Yes voter?
You didn't like that question, did you...
That's what running scared looks like.
The floor is yours, friend.
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