The person doesn’t have to be born in Australia but their parents must be? Yes/No?

Well - one of the Big Movers in the YES movement had - apparently - a great-great-great-grandparent ... lessee now... that's 50%, then 25%, then 12.5%, then 6.25% ..... discard the rest and you have a pure Aboriginal............. it's only 93.75% so not worth considering since it is the oppressive White etc... Invader ... has no place here....

FFS.....  and he's well-heeled with a Senator wife and all... it's a damned tough life being an Aborigine in this country...

This is one of the questions raised by Albo's attempt at this absurd Voice.... there are no unintentional outcomes given that these dorks sit in a smoke-filled and whiskey/white wine filled haze and consider these things at your expense for a very long time ... batting back and forth all the 'what-ifs'...

Ergo - as I began to say many moons ago - Albo's REAL intention, while looking at being called The Emancipator Of the Poor Struggling Aborigine and holding his place in History (not Herstory -hmmmm) as Australia's Abraham Lincoln - was to bring to the fore all of these issues surrounding Aborigines.... the cash vanishing acts, the clear rorting, the cost to the economy direct, the division and name-calling, the violence in communities, the refusal of schools and training by many, the demand to remain in pre-1788 mode forever in a fast moving modern world that will either carry them along or run over them..... and specifically WHO or WHAT is an Aborigine...... we've managed to confirm that ALL born here are Indigenous...... that leaves ONLY the category of Aborigine to be determined....

So when that bloke above applies (applied?) for a scholarship for Aborigines - he only gets (got) 6.25% - or was he Entitled™ by some odd twist of reasoning to the full monty?

Might have to find me a Coonambulist a la Pascoe - get onto the gravy train.... did you know my seriously insane brother tried that one on - much to the laughter of the family? ...  Might have to give it a go.... I have my sallow skin when I get into the sun.... always figured that was the Juden ....

Whether someone is or is not an Aboriginal (or part thereof) has major legal implications,

High Court rules Aboriginal people cannot be deported for criminal convictions, cannot be 'alien' to Australia

The court found Aboriginal people held a special status and were exempt from immigration laws, after it considered the cases of two convicted criminals whom the Government wanted to deport.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-11/high-court-rules-aboriginal-people-cant-b...

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 18^th, 2023 at 10:15am:

I think you guys and gals have some confusions going on. 

A person can free identify himself or her as an Aborigine even though he may not be of Aborigine descend.  This is that person's right of freedom of speech and personal liberty. 

However, in order to be recognised as someone of aborigine descend, and therefore, be eligible for government subsidies, and entitlements, that someone must have a 'letter of confirmation' is usually obtained from an incorporated Indigenous organisation and must be stamped with their common seal.  So its not like, someone random from overseas with zero% blood is able to obtain it. 

Now, one can say, oh you can potentially commit a fraud if you buy enough people out.  Well.. if you can buy enough people out, then you probably dont need to have government subsidies.  Or just get a fake MBBS qualifications or something.   

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 18^th, 2023 at 10:57am:


Ahhh many thanks Meister for that.

This is an area which also requires our focus. IF you can claim Aboriginality at law then that bestows upon you the privilege to claim immunity from certain laws. That’s something we should all read a few times.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 18^th, 2023 at 11:16am:


Untrue, studies have show time and time again that Indigenous Australians receives more prison sentences than other non indigenous population for the same crime and severity. 

https://www.alrc.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/81._prof_m_bagaric.pdf

https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/indigenous-deaths-custody-arrest-imprisonmen
t-and-most-serious-offence

https://researchonline.jcu.edu.au/20896/3/exploring-sentencing.pdf

https://childrenscourt.nsw.gov.au/documents/other/chcs16meeting14weatherburn.pdf

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 18^th, 2023 at 11:32am:


Well, in order to qualify for centrelink payments, you do actually need a Letter of Confirmation.  I dont know if there is any way around it.

BUT... if Lisa, you (the hypothetical you of course)  have committed a crime - namely domestic violence, and now looking at deportation back to England.  Then, if you reach out, I am sure, with your parent's background, and abit of lobbying from concerned Aborigine elders, you will also be granted immunity from deportation.   

That's it - too hard.  Just declare 'em all Australian and bound by the same rules - or pack their bags and boot them out as non-Australians invading our territory... ship 'em to Sharknest Island where we'll set up their Free State of Aboriginality and leave them to it.  Send 'em all to Maboland that they love so much.... that'll fix everything!!

They're either Australian or they are not - simple as that.  No special rules - no exemption from laws.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 18^th, 2023 at 9:37am:



No - not according to our Courts.

Aboriginal non-citizens - in that, that they were born overseas in another country cannot be deported as illegal aliens.

https://www.auspublaw.org/blog/2020/03/aboriginal-australians-not-vulnerable-to-...

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 18^th, 2023 at 11:10am:


Anywhere else people doing that are guilty of racial appropriation ....

in other words fraudulent behaviour.

As for the rest of your post so you're admitting that Aboriginal people get subsidies & entitlements not available to other Australians?

You don't sound anything like the usual tickleandrose. In fact no where near it.... more childlike.

Which raises again the question of their 'law' operating alongside our law... what that means, in reality, is that they will ONLY be bound by their law, but we will all be bound by both our law and their law.

For a clear example of this kind of 'thinking' - you need only look at that Madness in the NT over that Aboriginal bloke attacking cops with a pair of scissors and being shot - and the demands that the cop concerned should not only face court over a righteous kill - but should be subject to Aboriginal law and speared!

All that for acting in self-defence and defence of a comrade under attack with a weapon!!

All that shows is the supine nature of 'leftist' governments when dealing with endless Aboriginal whining, and the absolute narrow-minded and parochial stupidity of 'Aboriginal law' and so forth.  Clearly these have no place in a civilised society.

You see the same lack of intelligence over some dork who steals a car and then crashes it, killing self or others - if he's Aboriginal the old sheilas get out in the streets screeching about 'deaths in custody' when the dork did it to himself....

Just tell 'em to STFU and if they riot, round 'em up and send 'em all to the gulag Aborassic Park....... where they can attend Aboriginal Anonymous meetings until they are considered safe for human use again .....halfway houses and day release to work etc... learn how to get on in civilised society....

Gnads wrote on Sep 18^th, 2023 at 12:48pm:


It is the law.  Freedom of speech and personal liberty means that as individual, we can 'claim' that we are x, y or z.    In fact, it is well known in the census, people put down Jedi as their religion!  As long as they dont use what ever they pretend for fraudulent purposes, causing material damage to others, then, its okay. 

As to the rest of your post... well, yes..  we being talking about native titles... and there is this thing called Abstudy. 

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 18^th, 2023 at 10:54am:


Having gone back to university, I had forgotten how much of a liberal place it was. Then I discovered how woke it had become. One young lady there -- probably no older than 20 years old -- was blonde-haired, blue-eyed, and as caucasian as they could get. Yet, she identified as indigenous. To this day, I will never understand why someone would reject their other heritage to be identifying as indigenous -- other than the financial benefits.

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 18^th, 2023 at 11:42am:


1. I never “lightly” describe anything tosspot! In fact I constantly stress my points in bold and in highlighted terms. On this occasion I also had the actual law which backed up my statement.

2. The abnorigine? How bloody old are you? Oh and the rest of your post is utter imagined BS! And you’ve unwittingly attacked our legal system in the process of smearing my topic with your BS.

I have to ask again...how old are you? Your posts expose you as being in Year 9.

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 18^th, 2023 at 1:05pm:



You can self-identify as a lampshade if you like -we  are just not obliged to recognise you as a lampshade.

importantly, there is no preferment of any kind for lampshade- identifying people but there is plenty for Aborigines - that is why their number shoots up every year out of all proportion of natural increases.

Increasingly, Aborigines also demand that we just take them at their words of self-identification and treat any suggestion of verification as outrageous raclism. Perhaps for this sort of reason, nobody ever ask you for any verification in higher education, Abstudy, Mobtix (the latest idiocy) and many other Aboriginal concessions. In your great great great grandfather was Aborigine (and nobody else in the family since him) you are a Proud Aborigine with all the dysfunction, disadvantage and consequential entitlements. Just ask Marcus Stewart.
He is a proud Nira illim bulluk man of the Taungurung Nation and co-chair of the First Peoples’ Assembly of Victoria. Marcus is Brian Aboriginal, and so is his wife, a dysfunctional disadvantaged but proud Muthi Muthi and Wamba-Wamba woman , currently taking refuge from intergenerational colonial trauma in the Federal Senate.


https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/identity/2023/03/a-family-heritage-overpainted-w...

The legal definition of Aboriginality is a complex issue, raising questions that have to do with identity, epistemology and politics. And while "race" as a biological category has been scientifically discredited, it still persists in Australian society, culture and law. So how should Aboriginality be defined? Is it possible to have a fixed definition that avoids replicating colonialist ways of thinking and knowing?

Guest: Taylor-Jai McAlister, clinical psychology registrar, PhD candidate in Philosophy at Macquarie University, Sydney

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/philosopherszone/defining-aboriginality/1...

She 'has issues' with descent, biological descent, as a defining characteristic of Aboriginality, itself a settler colonial construct. She doesn't say how 'Aborigines construct' their identity as Aborigines but believe that the settler colonial definitions gradually define Aboriginality out of existence. Perhaps she means her own case, looking nothing like a descendant of Aborigines.  Complains about 'lateral violence', Aborigines not accepting claims of Aboriginality by people who appear nothing like Aborigines.

But if not descent - what determine Aboriginality?  Should Aboriginality be treated like a religion or a political choice that can be  adopted or rejected?
Philosophy departments, like all other Arts faculties, are now infected with muddy and resentful 'thinking'.

Anyone?  what about that pink little cherub with the red hair and beard explaining some dead language... he made it past the post.... five out of six 'Indigenous' medical graduates from UNSW had not a feature among them - blue eyes, blonde hair... one looked like a fat Greek or something ....

They should just give it up... I like the Canadian system - your parents or grandparents must be pure blood...

Aboriginality needs to be define in a clear and honest way.

No more pretend abbos who are sucking the system dry.

Canada has it right.
Parents or grandparents MUST be full blood toaccess any welfare of benefits.

Others can calltgemselves abbos, but not entitled to any benefits.

If we implemented this, the number of aboriginals would drop like a stone and the welfare would get to where it was needed.

Well - in Oireland I was informed, a person can become any 'gender' they choose by signing to that effect on a piece of paper - and that this now means that MEN are NOT invading women's spaces since they are not now men!!

Well - it seems then that anyone who cares to put name to paper can become whatever they want - so Aboriginal has lost all meaning... well .... more meaning...

Sign here for all benefits etc ......

Aboriginal status shouldn’t hold up adoption:’ teen’s plea
By CHRISTINE MIDDAP
8:09AM NOVEMBER 28, 2023


A young Indigenous man who made an impassioned plea to be adopted by his foster parents has been granted his wish by a NSW court, amid warnings that Aboriginality should never be weaponised in decisions involving children.

The NSW Supreme Court heard that Richard*, now 18, was aggrieved that his Aboriginal heritage posed an obstacle to his adoption by the non-Indigenous family that had reared him since he was two.

An Aboriginal consultant told the court that Richard was “very angry that his cultural heritage is the one component that has impacted adversely on this adoption process’’.

The consultant, who was not identified in court documents, said this could lead to Richard rejecting his Aboriginality in the ­future. “Aboriginality should never be weaponised to the point where it impacts on the long-term decision-making for a child/young person. Everyone learns their culture in different ways...,” the consultant said.

“By weaponising Aboriginality, it could potentially lead to a child/young person not identifying in the future because they associate it with trauma and rejection.”

The court heard Richard’s birth mother opposed the adoption because it was contrary to Aboriginal custom and interracial adoption was not in the best interests of Aboriginal children “in the great majority of cases’’.

In deciding the adoption should go ahead, Justice James Stevenson, who last week ruled in another case that two Indigenous siblings could be adopted by their long-term non-Aboriginal foster parents, said Richard’s best interests must be the paramount consideration.

The court head Richard had vented his frustration over the adoption process, writing to the judge: “I’ve spoken to that many people over the years telling them what I want and what my needs are … to have my adoption to go through; it’s getting to the point where I feel like no one is listening to me.

“I understand I have Aboriginal heritage in my blood and I will identify with my culture as I please; this shouldn’t be something that should hold up my adoption. For the last 16 years, Mum and Dad have been saying the same thing on behalf of me and I’ve been saying for myself for the last nine years yet nothing has changed.”

Richard, who has not been in contact with his birth mother, *Jane, since 2020, told the court that if he wanted to make contact, “that would be up to me to decide and only me’’.

He accepted his Anglo-Australian birth father did not wish to see him.

His foster parents did not learn of Richard’s Aboriginal status until he was seven, five years after he joined the family. His foster parents supported his cultural awareness education but Justice Stevenson said they faced some difficulty to meet his cultural needs, given Richard’s lack of desire to engage in cultural activities.

“I agree that it is important to allow Richard autonomy in relation to his choice of whether or not to engage in such cultural activities,’’ the judge said.

The Aboriginal consultant said that at Richard’s age, he has the capacity to self identify how he chooses “and should be not be pressured into justifying this to anyone.’

“[Richard] has contributed to his own cultural plan, has sought his own mentor and is comfortable with his own knowledge about his culture and is open to learning more, in a time and place that is comfortable for him, and this should be encouraged and valued.”

Justice Stevenson said he understood that for many Indigenous people, adoption of an Aboriginal child by non Aboriginal people “is a contentious matter.”

He said that many peak Indigenous bodies oppose the process, and noted the Aboriginal child placement principle which says that children should, as a priority and where possible, be placed with kin or community.

“The Court respects the views that Aboriginal people have expressed about the process of adoption and I respect the views that Jane has expressed in this case,’’ he said.

“I nonetheless concluded that Richard’s best interests, which are the paramount consideration, required that an adoption order be made and that, particularly now that Richard is an adult, the upholding of Richard’s dignity required that his wish that he be adopted be granted."

Universities are undercutting workplace standards by fast-tracking the careers of some Indigenous academics, a new study concludes.

The provocative Close the Gap Research paper, published by a leading Indigenous organisation, warns that well-intentioned diversity and inclusion targets “can come at a cost’’.

“It is difficult to see how a two-tier system with lower expectations applied based on publicly declared racial heritage benefits the pursuit of high quality scholarship, deep expertise, and research excellence that universities claim to value,’’ it says.

“Political or ideological objectives should not have a bearing on minimum standards for academic performance.’’

The research paper states that “for many Aboriginal academics at senior levels, Australian universities seem to be undermining the minimum standards set out in their Enterprise Agreements, policies, and guidelines’’.


Its research fellow, Samara McPhedran, who holds degrees in psychology and law, analysed the qualifications and experience of 118 senior Aboriginal academics working across 37 universities, and compared them to 118 non-Indigenous academics in similar roles.

Her study found 10 Indigenous academics had been appointed at a senior level before receiving their PhD, including some appointed a decade before completing a doctorate. Only one non-Indigenous academic had been appointed to a senior role before receiving a PhD.

The study found non-Indigenous academics had to wait twice as long as Indigenous academics, on average, for a promotion from Level D to the leadership Level E.

Aboriginal academics had published an average of 39 ­papers, compared to 101 for non-Indigenous academics.

The study found that “diversity and inclusion targets that ­emphasise the appointment and promotion of Aboriginal academics may be influencing employment decisions and creating a culture of low expectations’’.

“Appointment of Aboriginal-identifying academics is associated with lower track record expectations and, particularly in recent years, fast-tracking relative to non-Aboriginal academics,’’ it says.

“This raises serious questions about the appearance of universities not applying equivalent standards to all academics, irres­pective of identity.’’

The study was prompted by The Australian’s revelation that Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil had abolished merit-based appointments in favour of a “more inclusive suitability assessment’’ in hiring policies last year.

The research paper states that “adopting lower expectations for Aboriginal academics appointed to senior levels, relative to non-Aboriginal academics, carries ­notable risks for individuals and institutions’’.

“Do universities wish to create divisions between staff because of perceptions of inequitable race-based treatment?’’ it concludes.

“Do they seek to erode public confidence that the government funding given to universities is being used to appoint the most appropriately qualified individuals?’’

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/diversity-targets-cut-univers...

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 8:56am:


Aye - and there be the rub - you still need to be of ATSI DESCENT ... not just claim it.... so Lord Pascoe fails.... no descent, no identification, no acceptance.....

Now then - about that DNA test......

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 18^th, 2023 at 9:37am:


My family did an ancestry trace, some years ago. They determined that my ancestry is essentially European, with the exception of ONE person. That person being my maternal great-great grandmother. She happened to be one-quarter indigenous Australian. The story I understand about her is that she was the product of having been fathered by settlers in the New South Wales region. Her mother was the result of a rape on a local indigenous lady.

Given the sociopolitical climate of the 1830s to the 1860s, my great-great grandmother basically married a German immigrant. They had a number of children together. One day, my great-great grandfather died in tragic circumstances. A few years later, my British great-great grandfather married my great-great grandmother, and adopted the children.

Therefore, unless my math is wrong, I would be 1.5% indigenous Australian. Ergo, I do not identify as indigenous Australia. Although my Darumbal language teacher said that I can definitely qualify as a Darumbal man (non-indigenous), with 1/64th indigenous heritage not qualifying me as racially indigenous. But, my cultural investigation and adoption of some indigenous cultures has allowed me the right to decide if I want to be called a Darumbal man.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 2:35am:



Don't know how you could guarantee that rape - considering she is in your family tree ... sounds a bit odd, don' cha think?  Lots of these kinds of stories doing the rounds....

Anyone who Identifies... I don't and won't... wait a minute - did you say $500,000 for every Aborigine?  I'm a proud Wattabugga man!!

Oh - rocky - just remember it's now trendy to say your Aboriginal ancestor was raped... no such thing as a decent White man taking up with an Aboriginal woman, you know..... like being a Jew in Nazi Germany was a crime, being a White man in Australian History with an Aboriginal spouse is a crime now.  Them women was forced into it and so it was rape, yes?

Thing is - when women were in short supply, many men took up with Aboriginal women.... jeez, man - a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, you know.... my 'brother's' ex-wife's family come from up here somewhere - I could show you their farm that her mother said her brother took from them all for himself - and they were a mixed White and Aboriginal family all the way.  They are so well known up that way there is a tourism sign about the family.... in the bush near Johns River.

Don't believe everything you hear ... especially these days when it's trendy to speak ill of everyone...

Professor Lisa Jackson Pulver is not your average Australian Jew. True, she is one of this country's 110,000 or so tribal members, but she is also a member of another tribe - an Aboriginal tribe called the Wiradjuri.

And yet, despite the seeming rarity of an Aboriginal Jew, Professor Jackson Pulver says she is not alone. "The first Jew came here on the First Fleet in 1788 and since then Jews have been marrying Aborigines because white women wouldn't marry them," she said this week. "There's a big mob of black Cohens out there and they've got Jewish ancestry."

Anyone and no-one ... they are like a willow the wisp... like gold they are where you find them.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Abrahams

Within two months, Abrahams was transported to Australia with her baby daughter on the First Fleet, departing London in May 1787 on the convict transport Prince of Wales but transferring to Lady Penrhyn mid-voyage.[5] They reached Sydney with the Fleet in January 1788.
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My apologies, Frank.

Smart-arsed comment #723 ....

Nobody really knows for sure .......................

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:


Mum told me yesterday that we have no relatives in our family who are indigenous Australian. I thought that my grandmother's cousins married indigenous people. And here I was thinking that I was a distant relative of a sports star.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 11:37am:


I am sitting in my lounge room. To my right is a photograph of my maternal great-great grandmother, May. I will try to upload the photograph of her. The photograph is a circa year 1900 era photograph that has worn down over time. I was under the impression that she was a local 1/4th indigenous Australian woman. Mum was definitely claiming that she was not. She came here from Germany.

Definitely have no indigenous ancestry in my family. Other than that, I have some sperm donor descendants.

I identify as a Rockhamptonite. I have no issue with people identifying as part of the Dharumbul people. Heck, some people even identify as babies.

After a ten-day hearing and a five-month wait for an outcome, Bolt was found guilty, not so much because of what he had said, but because of the ‘manner and tone’ in which he had said it, and that his publications had not been ‘done reasonably and in good faith’ and that his work apparently contained ‘erroneous facts, distortions of the truth and inflammatory and provocative language’.

Whilst the veracity of these determinations may be readily challenged, what is now remarkable is that the lead plaintiff, Pat Eatock, who died in March 2015 at the age of 78, has now been found to not have been a person of Aboriginal descent at all. That Eatock wasn’t what the court was told is revealed by Roger Karge’s Dark Emu Exposed team of researchers and genealogists.

A person may have one quarter, 1/8th, 1/16th, or 1/32nd or 1/64th part Aboriginal descent does not mean that person is truly Aboriginal when the majority of that person’s descent is from a different (and most often European) heritage.


https://quadrant.org.au/news-opinions/fauxborigines/the-blackening-of-andrew-bol...



You cannot trust Aborigines climing to be Aboriginal when so many (about one third?) are evidently fake.