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Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence?
Reply #15 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:48am

Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:25am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:12am:

In QLD, you're allowed to pin kids to trees if they throw a bottle of creaming soda at your taxi.

If someone throws a bottle at your car and it hits the windscreen it could cause a serious accident. I doubt you’d be in a position to do much more than call 000 and ask for police AND an ambulance.

Simple Physics

F = ma

It’s dangerous esp if said car was travelling towards the projectile. Where’s Freediver? He probably won’t mind chatting about Vector Analysis.

What if the car is parked on school grounds at the time?

Would said parked taxi have an Aussie sitting in it at the time the bottle of soda was thrown?

IIRC, the Aussie had just got out of said parked taxi.
And to be forensic of his exact words, there was no threat of another bottle being thrown so the act of pinning was punitive and not preventative.

Did the trajectory of said bottle of creaming soda follow the trajectory of this 👇

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBz3PqA2Fmc

Ξ from 50 seconds 👉

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15451 Armidale Gender:	Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence? Reply #16 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:55am Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:12am: In QLD, you're allowed to pin kids to trees if they throw a bottle of creaming soda at your taxi. This allows a bow and arrow being fired to pin the kid. But LBGT are safe at schools. Unless Eoin does a genital shot.
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Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence?
Reply #17 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:59am

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:48am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:25am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:12am:

In QLD, you're allowed to pin kids to trees if they throw a bottle of creaming soda at your taxi.

If someone throws a bottle at your car and it hits the windscreen it could cause a serious accident. I doubt you’d be in a position to do much more than call 000 and ask for police AND an ambulance.

Simple Physics

F = ma

It’s dangerous esp if said car was travelling towards the projectile. Where’s Freediver? He probably won’t mind chatting about Vector Analysis.

What if the car is parked on school grounds at the time?

Would said parked taxi have an Aussie sitting in it at the time the bottle of soda was thrown?

IIRC, the Aussie had just got out of said parked taxi.
And to be forensic of his exact words, there was no threat of another bottle being thrown so the act of pinning was punitive and not preventative.

Did the trajectory of said bottle of creaming soda follow the trajectory of this 👇

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBz3PqA2Fmc

Ξ from 50 seconds 👉

Which brings up so many questions.
Aussie tried, convicted and punished the 'retard' on the testimony of others.

Was the kid he pinned a patsy?
Was there a second bottle thrower?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15451 Armidale Gender:	Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence? Reply #18 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 10:07am Taxi speed is 60kmh. Maximum cricket ball is ~150kmh and a horizontally opposed strike is 210kmh. Arrow velocity is 320kmh which allows a preventative shot, otherwise the taxi driver is blinded by explosive soda.
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Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence?
Reply #19 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 12:20pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 8:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 8:04am:

In Australia even if someone had genuine death threats made against them -
they are not allowed to buy a gun to defend themselves.
Their only legal solution to avoid being murdered
would be to go overseas and change their name.

If they did use a gun to defend themselves and killed an assassin
they would be charged with murder and gun offences.

Horseshit.

Why you bought onto this obvious click bait Thread has me stuffed.

Aussie - you are wrong:

https://www.criminaldefencelawyers.com.au/blog/weapons-licensing-laws-in-austral...

Are Self Defence Weapons in Australia Legal?

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Other than body armour vests,

weapons are illegal to carry or use for self-defence purposes in Australia generally.

Western Australia is the only place in Australia that allow you to carry an OC, capsicum or pepper spray for self-defence purposes in circumstances you have reasonable grounds to apprehend or lawful excuse. Every other state and territory laws make it illegal to possess or use a prohibited weapon for self-defence or protection purposes.

In NSW possessing or using a prohibited weapon for self-defence, or for protecting someone else is not considered a “genuine reason” to have a weapons permit, unless the weapon is a body armour vest or similar article designed for anti-ballistic purposes i.e. to protect against electric shocks or conducted energy devices and is to be worn on or to cover any body part (but not including helmets or anti-ballistic articles used to protect the eyes or ears).

The same applies to women using weapons for self-defence purposes. This is still illegal without a valid permit in NSW, except for Western Australia.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15451 Armidale Gender:	Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence? Reply #20 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 12:26pm Have you seen Aussie's car? It had lines of holes across the doors and now has 6mm manganese steel plate welded on.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62268 Here Gender:	Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence? Reply #21 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 12:32pm Quote: Do Australians have the right to self defence? It is a limited defense, if you were to kill or seriously injure someone in self defence it would be difficult to prove that you didn't use excessive force. I know a guy who beat up 3 guys who broke into his home. He was almost arrested.
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Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence?
Reply #22 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 12:35pm

Notice this list of genuine reasons to get a firearms license does not include self defence?

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/online_services/firearms/licences

Genuine Reasons

Sport / Target Shooting

Recreational Hunting / Vermin Control

Primary Production

Vertebrate Pest Animal Control

Business or Employment

Rural Occupation

Animal Welfare

Firearms collector

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15451 Armidale Gender:	Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence? Reply #23 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 12:36pm Sir Eoin is becoming a Person of Interest to NSW Police.
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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6169 Gender:	Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence? Reply #24 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:24pm To put this as simply as possible, you have the right to self defence as long as the force used is reasonable under the circumstances. So if you kill someone a court will decide if this was reasonable or not.
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Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence?
Reply #25 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:29pm

Belgarion wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:24pm:

To put this as simply as possible, you have the right to self defence as
long as the force used is reasonable under the circumstances.
So if you kill someone a court will decide if this was reasonable or not.

That's true but of course a court case is a very expensive and dangerous exercise.

The fact is you can't go to a police station and
apply for a gun license and say that - for example:

" I'm worried about home invasions - my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence"

You also can't say -
" I have genuine death threats made against me -
my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence"

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Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence?
Reply #26 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:24pm:

To put this as simply as possible, you have the right to self defence as
long as the force used is reasonable under the circumstances.
So if you kill someone a court will decide if this was reasonable or not.

That's true but of course a court case is a very expensive and dangerous exercise.

The fact is you can't go to a police station and
apply for a gun license and say that - for example:

" I'm worried about home invasions - my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence"

You also can't say -
" I have genuine death threats made against me -
my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence"

All studies, reports, and statistics show that: a) owning a gun doesn't make you safer in your home, and; b) the use of guns in self-defense by private citizens is extremely rare.

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Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence?
Reply #27 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:44pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:24pm:

To put this as simply as possible, you have the right to self defence as
long as the force used is reasonable under the circumstances.
So if you kill someone a court will decide if this was reasonable or not.

That's true but of course a court case is a very expensive and dangerous exercise.

The fact is you can't go to a police station and
apply for a gun license and say that - for example:

" I'm worried about home invasions - my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence"

You also can't say -
" I have genuine death threats made against me -
my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence"

All studies, reports, and statistics show that: a) owning a gun doesn't make you safer in your home, and; b) the use of guns in self-defense by private citizens is extremely rare.

That's true -
how would you defend yourself in the 2 examples I made above?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15451 Armidale Gender:	Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence? Reply #28 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:49pm Belgarion wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:24pm: To put this as simply as possible, . Eoin can't shoot Seamus, normally.
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3881 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Do Australians have the right to self defence? Reply #29 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:34pm Why the fixation with guns? The law prohibits the possession of ANYTHING for the purpose of self defence. And where you keep it can alter its classification, in one room of the house it could be legal but if kept in another room it could be illegal.
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