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Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous
Reply #15 - Aug 19th, 2023 at 4:56pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:26pm:
Who is white,  who is caucasian ?


These guys
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The moment the special privileges and affirmative action dries up, they will claim to be white again.
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Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous
Reply #16 - Aug 19th, 2023 at 7:08pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:43pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 2:30pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:26pm:
Who is white,  who is caucasian ?


These guys
https://newsevents.med.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/styles/news_large/public/...


we know they're not white because you aren't fawning over them,

it's only white people you defend



Oh?? So now I decide who IS Aboriginal??


Gawd, you are worse than a moron with concussion.




I said we know they're not white, I didn't say you get to decide anything. Not the same thing ya dumbarse

seriously, ask for that refund.


How do 'we' know they're not white?  They are all predominantly white.... over to you..... simple abuse will do, as usual, as your reply ....
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Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous
Reply #17 - Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:10pm
 
Without knowing their backgrounds of course
I'd be unable to identify any of these people as
being Aboriginal—except for maybe the young
lady on the far left.

    ...

And because of their light complexions, I'd be
guessing they've never suffered from racial
vilification, discrimination, employment inequalities,
bigotry, prejudices, or narrow-mindedness that
their darker-skinned peers have been subjected to
for decades.

In turn then, because of this, it's hardly appropriate
for any of them to claim any special dispensations
based solely on their self-identified Aboriginality.

(I'm assuming the article covering this
image in fact confirms they are Aboriginal?)


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Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous
Reply #18 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:18am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 9:56pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 6:41pm:
This question needs to be clarified so we all have a common, agreed understanding of it. We can't change the constitution without being clear about who is who - and who isn't.




Amazing how she has rewritten her personal history there. There was a time when she refused to have anything to do with Indigenous Australians.  Of course, all her fans will ignore that inconvenience for their own sakes.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You are lying, of course, shifty ponce.

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Reply #19 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:31am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:10pm:
Without knowing their backgrounds of course
I'd be unable to identify any of these people as
being Aboriginal—except for maybe the young
lady on the far left.

    https://i.postimg.cc/YqnSV2xS/Screenshot-2023-08-20-at-11-23-46-UNSW-3-web-jpg-J...

And because of their light complexions, I'd be
guessing they've never suffered from racial
vilification, discrimination, employment inequalities,
bigotry, prejudices, or narrow-mindedness that
their darker-skinned peers have been subjected to
for decades.

In turn then, because of this, it's hardly appropriate
for any of them to claim any special dispensations
based solely on their self-identified Aboriginality.

(I'm assuming the article covering this
image in fact confirms they are Aboriginal?)




It is important to be clear about what Aboriginality is, who can and cannot claim Aboriginality, and most significantly, what entitlement comes with Aboriginality and why.

I do not see what disadvantage a middle class person of any hue or colouration would suffer. Selective high schools, university courses in medicine and engineering and dentistry and law are full of non-whites so pigmentation is evidently no drawback.

If blonde, blue eyed daughters of middle class families can claim Aboriginality to get into medical school, get Aboriginal- identified positions in the public service or corporations, then Aboriginality isn't about disadvantage either. There are equally blonde and blue eyed daughters of non-Aboriginal working class families who are demondtezbly more disadvantaged and lower on the socio-economic ladder but cannot claim Aboriginality so they do not get the bonus ATAR point to get into medicine or law.

So if it's neither race, nor disadvantage - what is it?

Is it "the ancestral tie between the land, or 'mother nature', and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who were born therefrom, remain attached thereto, and must one day return thither to be united with our ancestors"?  What about the blonde anc blue eyed ancestry and ties to the lands of England, Scotland, Ireland and returning thither?
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Reply #20 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:49pm
 
Pauline Hanson was disendorsed as a Liberal candidate back in 1996,
"after making contentious comments about Aboriginal Australians,"[Source]  Those "contentious comments" were that "she advocated the abolition of special government assistance for Aboriginal Australians, and she was disendorsed by the Liberal Party."[Source]  All matters which she now glosses over in her diatribe against Indigenous Australians. She went on to further state, once elected in her Maiden Speech, "I won the seat of Oxley largely on an issue that has resulted in me being called a racist. That issue related to my comment that Aboriginals received more benefits than non-Aboriginals". Hanson then asserted that Australia was in danger of being "swamped by Asians", and that these immigrants "have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate".[Source]  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous
Reply #21 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:51pm
 
Always been the problem at the heart of 'affirmative action' - it invariably went to the 'middle classes' and next to none went to those in true need - I'd love to hear the background of each of these suffering, struggling students....
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Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous
Reply #22 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:49pm:
Pauline Hanson was disendorsed as a Liberal candidate back in 1996,
"after making contentious comments about Aboriginal Australians,"[Source]  Those "contentious comments" were that "she advocated the abolition of special government assistance for Aboriginal Australians, and she was disendorsed by the Liberal Party."[Source]  All matters which she now glosses over in her diatribe against Indigenous Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Well - she was truly prophetic there - after Albo's Mistake the Australian people are going to start to demand answers..... where is the money all going and why??  Shocking amount of money going to sustain some fanciful myth of some fanciful past while removing from those receiving it all incentive to achieve for themselves... over to dividie now...

All that money per day would fix the highways, the hospitals and a heap of other things....

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1691412902
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Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous
Reply #23 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:31pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 4:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:43pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 2:30pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:26pm:
Who is white,  who is caucasian ?


These guys
https://newsevents.med.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/styles/news_large/public/...


we know they're not white because you aren't fawning over them,

it's only white people you defend



Oh?? So now I decide who IS Aboriginal??


Gawd, you are worse than a moron with concussion.






I said we know they're not white, I didn't say you get to decide anything. Not the same thing ya dumbarse

seriously, ask for that refund.


Well, they are whiter than you, swarthy mouth-breather.

Not even I am as blonde as those two girls at the front.


ahhh, so now hair colour is what decides if they are aboriginal ... got it Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous
Reply #24 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:49pm:
Pauline Hanson was disendorsed as a Liberal candidate back in 1996,
"after making contentious comments about Aboriginal Australians,"[Source]  Those "contentious comments" were that "she advocated the abolition of special government assistance for Aboriginal Australians, and she was disendorsed by the Liberal Party."[Source]  All matters which she now glosses over in her diatribe against Indigenous Australians. She went on further state, once elected in her Maiden Speech, "I won the seat of Oxley largely on an issue that has resulted in me being called a racist. That issue related to my comment that Aboriginals received more benefits than non-Aboriginals". Hanson then asserted that Australia was in danger of being "swamped by Asians", and that these immigrants "have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate".[Source]  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

And??

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Reply #25 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:35pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:31pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 4:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:43pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 2:30pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:26pm:
Who is white,  who is caucasian ?


These guys
https://newsevents.med.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/styles/news_large/public/...


we know they're not white because you aren't fawning over them,

it's only white people you defend



Oh?? So now I decide who IS Aboriginal??


Gawd, you are worse than a moron with concussion.






I said we know they're not white, I didn't say you get to decide anything. Not the same thing ya dumbarse

seriously, ask for that refund.


Well, they are whiter than you, swarthy mouth-breather.

Not even I am as blonde as those two girls at the front.


ahhh, so now hair colour is what decides if they are aboriginal ... got it Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

It is important to be clear about what Aboriginality is, who can and cannot claim Aboriginality, and most significantly, what entitlement comes with Aboriginality and why.

I do not see what disadvantage a middle class person of any hue or colouration would suffer. Selective high schools, university courses in medicine and engineering and dentistry and law are full of non-whites so pigmentation is evidently no drawback.

If blonde, blue eyed daughters of middle class families can claim Aboriginality to get into medical school, get Aboriginal- identified positions in the public service or corporations, then Aboriginality isn't about disadvantage either. There are equally blonde and blue eyed daughters of non-Aboriginal working class families who are demondtezbly more disadvantaged and lower on the socio-economic ladder but cannot claim Aboriginality so they do not get the bonus ATAR point to get into medicine or law.

So if it's neither race, nor disadvantage - what is it?

Is it "the ancestral tie between the land, or 'mother nature', and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who were born therefrom, remain attached thereto, and must one day return thither to be united with our ancestors"?  What about the blonde anc blue eyed ancestry and ties to the lands of England, Scotland, Ireland and returning thither?

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Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous
Reply #26 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 3:55pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:49pm:
Pauline Hanson was disendorsed as a Liberal candidate back in 1996,
"after making contentious comments about Aboriginal Australians,"[Source]  Those "contentious comments" were that "she advocated the abolition of special government assistance for Aboriginal Australians, and she was disendorsed by the Liberal Party."[Source]  All matters which she now glosses over in her diatribe against Indigenous Australians. She went on further state, once elected in her Maiden Speech, "I won the seat of Oxley largely on an issue that has resulted in me being called a racist. That issue related to my comment that Aboriginals received more benefits than non-Aboriginals". Hanson then asserted that Australia was in danger of being "swamped by Asians", and that these immigrants "have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate".[Source]  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

And??


It disproves your claim that I am supposely:
Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:18am:
You are lying, of course, shifty ponce.


Such a silly comment but hey, it is all we have come to expect from your, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous
Reply #27 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 4:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 3:55pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:49pm:
Pauline Hanson was disendorsed as a Liberal candidate back in 1996,
"after making contentious comments about Aboriginal Australians,"[Source]  Those "contentious comments" were that "she advocated the abolition of special government assistance for Aboriginal Australians, and she was disendorsed by the Liberal Party."[Source]  All matters which she now glosses over in her diatribe against Indigenous Australians. She went on further state, once elected in her Maiden Speech, "I won the seat of Oxley largely on an issue that has resulted in me being called a racist. That issue related to my comment that Aboriginals received more benefits than non-Aboriginals". Hanson then asserted that Australia was in danger of being "swamped by Asians", and that these immigrants "have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate".[Source]  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

And??


It disproves your claim that I am supposely:
Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:18am:
You are lying, of course, shifty ponce.


Such a silly comment but hey, it is all we have come to expect from your, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Hanson 'glossed over' nothing.
Opposing the Voice or Aboriginal special treatment is not a 'diatribe. Her warnings of the negative consequences of large scale unassimilating immigration have proven true. No personal history has been rewritten, amazingly or otherwise.
There was never a time 'she refused to to have anything to do with Indigineous Australians'. Total, barefaced Bbwianesque lies.




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Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous
Reply #28 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 4:54pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 4:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 3:55pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:49pm:
Pauline Hanson was disendorsed as a Liberal candidate back in 1996,
"after making contentious comments about Aboriginal Australians,"[Source]  Those "contentious comments" were that "she advocated the abolition of special government assistance for Aboriginal Australians, and she was disendorsed by the Liberal Party."[Source]  All matters which she now glosses over in her diatribe against Indigenous Australians. She went on further state, once elected in her Maiden Speech, "I won the seat of Oxley largely on an issue that has resulted in me being called a racist. That issue related to my comment that Aboriginals received more benefits than non-Aboriginals". Hanson then asserted that Australia was in danger of being "swamped by Asians", and that these immigrants "have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate".[Source]  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

And??


It disproves your claim that I am supposely:
Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:18am:
You are lying, of course, shifty ponce.


Such a silly comment but hey, it is all we have come to expect from your, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Hanson 'glossed over' nothing.
Opposing the Voice or Aboriginal special treatment is not a 'diatribe. Her warnings of the negative consequences of large scale unassimilating immigration have proven true. No personal history has been rewritten, amazingly or otherwise.
There was never a time 'she refused to to have anything to do with Indigineous Australians'. Total, barefaced Bbwianesque lies.


How unsurprising, you swallow her propaganda wholeheartedy, don't you?  Hardly unsurprising considering your Racist viewpoint on most things.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #29 - Aug 21st, 2023 at 5:30pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 7:08pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:43pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 2:30pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:26pm:
Who is white,  who is caucasian ?


These guys
https://newsevents.med.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/styles/news_large/public/...


we know they're not white because you aren't fawning over them,

it's only white people you defend



Oh?? So now I decide who IS Aboriginal??


Gawd, you are worse than a moron with concussion.




I said we know they're not white, I didn't say you get to decide anything. Not the same thing ya dumbarse

seriously, ask for that refund.


How do 'we' know they're not white? 


If they were white Frank would have been crying over their victimhood status rather then trying to deride them.
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