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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #150 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

As already explained, we are a long standing member of the NPT regime. We would be very silly if we withdrew, we would be amongst the Israelis and DPRK's of the world, Bobby. Are you prepared to weather the diplamtic storm we would have to edure?

Israel does allow the IAEA to inspect it's nuclear reactor. It has done so for the last 10 or so years, Bobby.

The Government is already purchasing SAMs, Anti-ship missiles, AAMs and ATGWs. Our market is too small to try and manufacture them ourselves. Same for tanks, MICVs and most ships.

Conscription without an existential threat facing us is a no-goer, for the already described reasons, Bobby.

Now, where are you going to put all these troops? We need more than just the preliminaries... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I have already dealt with all your points in detail. Tsk, tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #151 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 10:19pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

As already explained, we are a long standing member of the NPT regime. We would be very silly if we withdrew, we would be amongst the Israelis and DPRK's of the world, Bobby. Are you prepared to weather the diplamtic storm we would have to edure?

Israel does allow the IAEA to inspect it's nuclear reactor. It has done so for the last 10 or so years, Bobby.

The Government is already purchasing SAMs, Anti-ship missiles, AAMs and ATGWs. Our market is too small to try and manufacture them ourselves. Same for tanks, MICVs and most ships.

Conscription without an existential threat facing us is a no-goer, for the already described reasons, Bobby.

Now, where are you going to put all these troops? We need more than just the preliminaries... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I have already dealt with all your points in detail. Tsk, tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

Badly. When become PM you'll last about 10 minutes in the job. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111715 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The submarine fiasco continues. Reply #152 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 10:36pm Brian, Quote: The Government is already purchasing SAMs, Anti-ship missiles, AAMs and ATGWs. Our market is too small to try and manufacture them ourselves. Same for tanks, MICVs and most ships. That's why I said we should be selling weapons to offset our costs.
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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #153 - Aug 25^th, 2023 at 2:25pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 10:36pm:

Brian,
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The Government is already purchasing SAMs, Anti-ship missiles, AAMs and ATGWs. Our market is too small to try and manufacture them ourselves. Same for tanks, MICVs and most ships.

That's why I said we should be selling weapons to offset our costs. Roll Eyes

Who says they need them, Bobby? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #154 - Aug 25^th, 2023 at 5:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 2:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 10:36pm:

Brian,
Quote:

The Government is already purchasing SAMs, Anti-ship missiles, AAMs and ATGWs. Our market is too small to try and manufacture them ourselves. Same for tanks, MICVs and most ships.

That's why I said we should be selling weapons to offset our costs. Roll Eyes

Who says they need them, Bobby? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Other countries need weapon systems badly.
The military industrial complex is the biggest game in town -
and we are hardly in it.

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Reply #155 - Aug 25^th, 2023 at 8:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 5:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 2:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 10:36pm:

Brian,
Quote:

The Government is already purchasing SAMs, Anti-ship missiles, AAMs and ATGWs. Our market is too small to try and manufacture them ourselves. Same for tanks, MICVs and most ships.

That's why I said we should be selling weapons to offset our costs. Roll Eyes

Who says they need them, Bobby? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Other countries need weapon systems badly.
The military industrial complex is the biggest game in town -
and we are hardly in it.

We are ranked 11th or 12th in the world, Bobby. Not bad, considering our size and the Tories attitude to us building weapons. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #156 - Aug 25^th, 2023 at 8:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 5:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 2:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 10:36pm:

Brian,
Quote:

The Government is already purchasing SAMs, Anti-ship missiles, AAMs and ATGWs. Our market is too small to try and manufacture them ourselves. Same for tanks, MICVs and most ships.

That's why I said we should be selling weapons to offset our costs. Roll Eyes

Who says they need them, Bobby? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Other countries need weapon systems badly.
The military industrial complex is the biggest game in town -
and we are hardly in it.

We are ranked 11th or 12th in the world, Bobby. Not bad, considering our size and the Tories attitude to us building weapons. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Yeah right - we make a few Bushmasters etc. Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #157 - Aug 25^th, 2023 at 10:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 5:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 2:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 10:36pm:

Brian,
Quote:

The Government is already purchasing SAMs, Anti-ship missiles, AAMs and ATGWs. Our market is too small to try and manufacture them ourselves. Same for tanks, MICVs and most ships.

That's why I said we should be selling weapons to offset our costs. Roll Eyes

Who says they need them, Bobby? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Other countries need weapon systems badly.
The military industrial complex is the biggest game in town -
and we are hardly in it.

We are ranked 11th or 12th in the world, Bobby. Not bad, considering our size and the Tories attitude to us building weapons. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Yeah right - we make a few Bushmasters etc. Roll Eyes

You can check it yourself, Bobby, if you disbelieve me. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Australian arms exports from 2011 to 2020

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #158 - Aug 25^th, 2023 at 10:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 5:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 2:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 10:36pm:

Brian,
Quote:

The Government is already purchasing SAMs, Anti-ship missiles, AAMs and ATGWs. Our market is too small to try and manufacture them ourselves. Same for tanks, MICVs and most ships.

That's why I said we should be selling weapons to offset our costs. Roll Eyes

Who says they need them, Bobby? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Other countries need weapon systems badly.
The military industrial complex is the biggest game in town -
and we are hardly in it.

We are ranked 11th or 12th in the world, Bobby. Not bad, considering our size and the Tories attitude to us building weapons. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Yeah right - we make a few Bushmasters etc. Roll Eyes

You can check it yourself, Bobby, if you disbelieve me. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Australian arms exports from 2011 to 2020

That's only pocket money for any large military corporation. Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #159 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 1:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 10:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 5:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2023 at 2:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 10:36pm:

Brian,
Quote:

The Government is already purchasing SAMs, Anti-ship missiles, AAMs and ATGWs. Our market is too small to try and manufacture them ourselves. Same for tanks, MICVs and most ships.

That's why I said we should be selling weapons to offset our costs. Roll Eyes

Who says they need them, Bobby? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Other countries need weapon systems badly.
The military industrial complex is the biggest game in town -
and we are hardly in it.

We are ranked 11th or 12th in the world, Bobby. Not bad, considering our size and the Tories attitude to us building weapons. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Yeah right - we make a few Bushmasters etc. Roll Eyes

You can check it yourself, Bobby, if you disbelieve me. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Australian arms exports from 2011 to 2020

That's only pocket money for any large military corporation. Roll Eyes

I accept your white flag, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111715 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The submarine fiasco continues. Reply #160 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 1:50pm Brian, let's take one company at random: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NOC/northrop-grumman/revenue Northrop Grumman revenue for the twelve months ending June 30, 2023 was $37.881 Billion, a 8.36% increase year-over-year. Brian - you are forgiven namaste
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44357	Re: The submarine fiasco continues. Reply #161 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 9:02pm Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Bobby, you are getting desperate. I am not claiming we are the best, just that we are the 11th or 12th. How about you compare apples with apples, not oranges, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #162 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 9:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 26^th, 2023 at 9:02pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Bobby, you are getting desperate. I am not claim we are the best, just that we are the 11th or 12th. How about you compare apples with apples, not oranges, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/australia-defense

Australia total military exports:
2022 estimated: $1 billion

Total military imports: $2.7 billion.

One military company in the USA:
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/who-we-are.html#:~:text=2022%20Net%20Sales%...

Lockheed Martin.

$66 Billion 2022 Net Sales

Brian is forgiven
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44357	Re: The submarine fiasco continues. Reply #163 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 9:28pm Oh, dearie, dearie, me, poor, poor, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #164 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 9:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 26^th, 2023 at 9:28pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, poor, poor, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

If you couldnt say dearie me, poor poor, roll your eyes and tut-tut you would be dumb struck, cockwomble.
You are amazingly simple minded. Laughable. You have never progressed beyond being a 9 year old pimply milk monitor.

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