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Reply #105 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 7:05pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 1:14pm:

I am aware that there were computers in use in Australia in the pre-1980s. But, there was no real major uptake in computer usage until the mid-1990s. It would cost the equivalent of today's $10,000 to buy a computer in the 1980s. So, you would be doing pretty well with work to be able to afford a computer back in the day.

Yet, I started to learn how to program back in 2001. The subject was so basic to so many people, though I was one of those that did not understand how to program in C++. I have not even started looking at using every other programming language or know what it is like.

I was thinking of learning how to program again this year. I want to purchase some book on how to write programs. If I can get somewhere with learning programming, I should be able to shake off the psychological demons that have plagued me since day one.

In the 1980's you could get a commodore 64, Amstrad , Apple Mac 1984, Texas Instrument had something and IBM. They were not cheap but not as much as you said. Microsoft Windows was 1983 but it would have been MS Dos. 1984 was also the Apple Mac with its GUI interface and mouse. It cost $2,500.

Running MS Dos you had to either build a batch file menu to run the programs or a little later use something like XTree to browse files and execute the programmes from there. All in all awful. I remember that to install the early office version you had about 22 floppy disks to run.

I still have an old copy of Office on 3.5 Floppies somewhere and Windows on 5.25. They hold about 560K. The smaller 3.5 inch went to 1.44 Meg

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Reply #106 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 8:35pm

My earliest knowledge of computers was my uncle's computer that he used for work purposes. And then there were the computers at the primary school that still had the green and black screen format. We started seeing colour screen computers by the late 1980s, although the black and white (green) screen formats were not phased out until the early 1990s.

I got first use of the internet in 1993, with qmail. That was a lot of fun. Our advanced math class managed to write messages with school students in Chicago. It was funny to find out that they started school a year later than us. Graduation for them meant that they would be about 18 years old upon completion of high school.

Once I reached university, I found out a whole new world of the internet. Oh boy, was I caught up in the pornography, hate sites, debate sites, movie sites, etc. It was all basic. After a while, I found that my assignments were piling up and the lecturers were giving me a bad reputation for goofing around.

However, if I could take what I know back with me and be 13 years old again, I would really miss the internet. But, atleast I could ace high school.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 119042 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Signs Your Are Getting Old Reply #107 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 8:44pm I can beat all of you guys: I still have one of these - where I learnt assembly language programming. An SDK 8085 Microprocessor kit:
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Reply #108 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 8:44pm:

I can beat all of you guys:

I still have one of these - where I learnt assembly language programming.

An SDK 8085 Microprocessor kit:

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/03b07a_27cf4f768c4b4f81a0b0bcb72dc67828~mv2_d...

They were a nightmare, they come as a kit that you have to solder all the components to the board and set solder straps for the settings you want. I mostly had no idea what setting were used. I didn't see them used for learning. Built a few - wouldn't bet they were this model, never used one myself.

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Reply #109 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:41pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 8:44pm:

I can beat all of you guys:

I still have one of these - where I learnt assembly language programming.

An SDK 8085 Microprocessor kit:

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/03b07a_27cf4f768c4b4f81a0b0bcb72dc67828~mv2_d...

They were a nightmare, they come as a kit that you have to solder all the components to the board and set solder straps for the settings you want. I mostly had no idea what setting were used.

I bought a fully assembled kit and I wrote many programs for it.
In one design I used an A to D convertor which I installed meant that I turned the
kit into a voltmeter to read out on its display.
They were fascinating kits.
They had a whole family of chips that they could connect to.
Later micros had all those extra chips on board.

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Reply #110 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 8:44pm:

I can beat all of you guys:

I still have one of these - where I learnt assembly language programming.

An SDK 8085 Microprocessor kit:

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/03b07a_27cf4f768c4b4f81a0b0bcb72dc67828~mv2_d...

They were a nightmare, they come as a kit that you have to solder all the components to the board and set solder straps for the settings you want. I mostly had no idea what setting were used.

I bought a fully assembled kit and I wrote many programs for it.
In one design I used an A to D convertor which I installed meant that I turned the
kit into a voltmeter to read out on its display.
They were fascinating kits.
They had a whole family of chips that they could connect to.
Later micros had all those extra chips on board.

This system development kit was meant to test their new processor the 8085 in this case for compatibility.

Every new processor had its own development kit I believe.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 119042 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Signs Your Are Getting Old Reply #111 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:55pm Dnarever wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:54pm: This system development kit was meant to test their new processor the 8085 in this case for compatibility. Every new processor had its own development kit I believe. That's right - even the latest processors have their own SDKs.
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Reply #112 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 10:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:54pm:

This system development kit was meant to test their new processor the 8085 in this case for compatibility.

Every new processor had its own development kit I believe.

That's right -
even the latest processors have their own SDKs.

Had more to do with software SDK's not a huge amount either.

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Reply #113 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 10:18pm

You get into your fifth week out of open heart, and the doc tells you that because of a big bleed while you were under (I had no idea) and a nose bleed - they want to re-investigate that leukemia thing... bloody hell.

Have no concerns, my lovelies - you don't get rid of me that easily!! Gotta turn 75 to get my Gold Card, anyway.

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Reply #114 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 10:28pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 10:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:54pm:

This system development kit was meant to test their new processor the 8085 in this case for compatibility.

Every new processor had its own development kit I believe.

That's right -
even the latest processors have their own SDKs.

Had more to do with software SDK's not a huge amount either.

I 'm not sure how they learn microprocessors today?
The newer CPUs are so complicated that it would be much more difficult.

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Reply #115 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 11:02pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 10:18pm:

You get into your fifth week out of open heart, and the doc tells you that because of a big bleed while you were under (I had no idea) and a nose bleed - they want to re-investigate that leukemia thing... bloody hell.

Have no concerns, my lovelies - you don't get rid of me that easily!! Gotta turn 75 to get my Gold Card, anyway.

What?

did you have open heart surgery Mr. Grappler?
Hope you get it all medically sorted out.
I just found out today from doctor about my blood test results… my iron level has dropped to half …
She asked me if I’ve been bleeding. I says no.
I even had that bowel screening test a couple months ago and it was all good.
Asks me if I eat fish, meat etc and my husband answered “yes she does, she eats well”
Maybe I need to eat more of it?
Anyway, she’s given me 6 weeks to see if I improve.

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Reply #116 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:02am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 10:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 10:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:54pm:

This system development kit was meant to test their new processor the 8085 in this case for compatibility.

Every new processor had its own development kit I believe.

That's right -
even the latest processors have their own SDKs.

Had more to do with software SDK's not a huge amount either.

I 'm not sure how they learn microprocessors today?
The newer CPUs are so complicated that it would be much more difficult.

I don't know anymore about how they work today than in the 1970's except what is listed in the specs. Most people simply plug them in and they work. The actual process I feel is the same just faster more threads and possibly a better instruction set.

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Reply #117 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:05am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 10:18pm:

You get into your fifth week out of open heart, and the doc tells you that because of a big bleed while you were under (I had no idea) and a nose bleed - they want to re-investigate that leukemia thing... bloody hell.

Have no concerns, my lovelies - you don't get rid of me that easily!! Gotta turn 75 to get my Gold Card, anyway.

Best of Luck Grap. Still be around at least to 85. I would intend to often disagree with you for most of the way.

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Reply #118 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:15am

Skin quality elasticity and wrinkles rather give it away.

For some:

A paunch, hairline, saggy bits, hands (don't know why hands look old), dress, teeth etc.

Things seem to have changed. I remember that my Grandfather was 20 years older than me when he was 20 years younger. When he was 50 he behaved and looked like an 80 year old typically does today.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: Signs Your Are Getting Old Reply #119 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:24am Progeria, maybe.Werner syndrome.
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