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Reply #15 - Aug 12^th, 2023 at 9:24am

Gnads wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 12:17pm:

Many workers & farmers carried a small pocket knife in a clip top sheath put on their belts or stitched onto their belts.

That is also now banned.

Crap, you can carry a knife if you have a legitimate reason. Obviously, you can't say you use it for farming if you're walking through Pitt St Mall in Sydney, but it is not illegal for farmer to carry knives in and around their workplaces. Tradies often go around with knives and no one bothers them

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Reply #16 - Aug 12^th, 2023 at 9:37am

Gnads wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 12:17pm:

Many workers & farmers carried a small pocket knife in a clip top sheath put on their belts or stitched onto their belts.

That is also now banned.

"Any implement containing a knife is covered by the change in law.

"This means pocket knives and multi-tools cannot be carried in public simply for the convenience of having access to them.

"However, if they are being used as part of a lawful activity (e.g. fishing, camping, employment) no offence is committed."

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Reply #17 - Aug 12^th, 2023 at 11:53am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 12:17pm:

Many workers & farmers carried a small pocket knife in a clip top sheath put on their belts or stitched onto their belts.

That is also now banned.

"Any implement containing a knife is covered by the change in law.

"This means pocket knives and multi-tools cannot be carried in public simply for the convenience of having access to them.

"However, if they are being used as part of a lawful activity (e.g. fishing, camping, employment) no offence is committed."

So how do you take your knife from your city home to the camping site without carrying it through public space and thereby committing an offence?

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Reply #18 - Aug 12^th, 2023 at 11:57am

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 11:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 12:17pm:

Many workers & farmers carried a small pocket knife in a clip top sheath put on their belts or stitched onto their belts.

That is also now banned.

"Any implement containing a knife is covered by the change in law.

"This means pocket knives and multi-tools cannot be carried in public simply for the convenience of having access to them.

"However, if they are being used as part of a lawful activity (e.g. fishing, camping, employment) no offence is committed."

So how do you take your knife from your city home to the camping site without carrying it through public space and thereby committing an offence?

By moving directly from your home to the camping site, and not being apprehended by police who won't be interested in you.

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Reply #19 - Aug 12^th, 2023 at 1:28pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 11:57am:

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 11:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 12:17pm:

Many workers & farmers carried a small pocket knife in a clip top sheath put on their belts or stitched onto their belts.

That is also now banned.

"Any implement containing a knife is covered by the change in law.

"This means pocket knives and multi-tools cannot be carried in public simply for the convenience of having access to them.

"However, if they are being used as part of a lawful activity (e.g. fishing, camping, employment) no offence is committed."

So how do you take your knife from your city home to the camping site without carrying it through public space and thereby committing an offence?

By moving directly from your home to the camping site, and not being apprehended by police who won't be interested in you.

But if I go to a shopping centre and buy a new kitchen knife and walking home I take a detour and have an abmble in the park and, God forbid, I sit on a bench for a while - offence.

I don't know what the regulation is but it seems to this is an example where the 'law' is an ass by trying to regulate something it cannot.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 141950 Gender:	Re: Interesting comparison in multicultural sentencing Reply #20 - Aug 12^th, 2023 at 1:42pm "What if I need to buy a new knife to use in my kitchen at home? "Conveying a knife from a shop to your home is a lawful reason for having the knife, and you don’t commit an offence."
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Reply #21 - Aug 12^th, 2023 at 2:08pm

So having a Swiss army knife to cut or peel an apple, open a can or trim one's nails is ok.

2. The preparation or consumption of food or drink
3. Participation in lawful entertainment, recreation or sport

The reality is that the cops will nab shifty efnic striplings in possession of any sharp implements but would even look at a grown-up unless s/he looked like a crim or lumpen prole.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 76100 Gender:	Re: Interesting comparison in multicultural sentencing Reply #22 - Aug 12^th, 2023 at 6:18pm Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 2:08pm: So having a Swiss army knife to cut or peel an apple, open a can or trim one's nails is ok. not if you don't have that apple with you
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Reply #23 - Aug 12^th, 2023 at 6:25pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

So having a Swiss army knife to cut or peel an apple, open a can or trim one's nails is ok.

not if you don't have that apple with you

I am going to the shops to get one. And my nails may need trimming.

This knife law is really trying to deal with efnic youth who bring the culture of violence to Australia, England, etc.

It's the darkies and the swarthies and the curlies. It's never rival gangs of Dutch and Flemish kids or Danes and Germans dukeing it out.
Same in London. Knife crime is black crime.

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Reply #24 - Aug 12^th, 2023 at 6:32pm

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

So having a Swiss army knife to cut or peel an apple, open a can or trim one's nails is ok.

not if you don't have that apple with you

I am going to the shops to get one.

Don't you have Uber Eats?

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Reply #25 - Aug 12^th, 2023 at 6:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

So having a Swiss army knife to cut or peel an apple, open a can or trim one's nails is ok.

not if you don't have that apple with you

I am going to the shops to get one.

Don't you have Uber Eats?

I would never go near it.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2654 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Interesting comparison in multicultural sentencing Reply #26 - Sep 29^th, 2023 at 7:24pm It’s OK to have a pen knife if you are writing with the right pen.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30626 Gender:	Re: Interesting comparison in multicultural sentencing Reply #27 - Sep 30^th, 2023 at 11:41am Good quote Quote: Multiculturalism ‘has failed because it allowed people to come to our society and live parallel lives in it’, and even ‘pursue lives aimed at undermining the stability and threatening the security of our society’.
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Reply #28 - Sep 30^th, 2023 at 11:48am

Gnads wrote on Sep 30^th, 2023 at 11:41am:

Good quote

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Multiculturalism ‘has failed because it allowed people to come to our society and live parallel lives in it’, and even ‘pursue lives aimed at undermining the stability and threatening the security of our society’.

What must Aboriginal people feel?

Fortunately for us all, they tend to be more accepting and understanding than anything you have displayed here.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #29 - Sep 30^th, 2023 at 11:53am

mothra wrote on Sep 30^th, 2023 at 11:48am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 30^th, 2023 at 11:41am:

Good quote

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Multiculturalism ‘has failed because it allowed people to come to our society and live parallel lives in it’, and even ‘pursue lives aimed at undermining the stability and threatening the security of our society’.

What must Aboriginal people feel?

Fortunately for us all, they tend to be more accepting and understanding than anything you have displayed here.

Civilisation benefited most of them immensely, unimaginably. I don't see any reciprocal benefit from Aboriginal culture, customs, values for modern Australia. I don't see any benefit from Islam or African culture or Aboriginal culture to any Western country either.
Do you?

Imagine: every aspect of Western civilisation disappeared from your life tomorrow.

Now imagine the total disappearance of every aspect and awareness of Aboriginal culture in your life.

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