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Reply #75 - Jul 21^st, 2023 at 7:30pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 1:24pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 8:21am:

Violet Crumble wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

Anatomically modern humans have existed for 250,000 years. The fatties we see today didn't even begin to exist until after WWII so please stop with the "genetic" nonsense.

Bullshit! What about the Venus of Willendorf?

I had to look that up to see what you are talking about. Given that fat people have been in history right through to today, it is a given that she was talking about the epidemic of obese people starting after WW2. But, even that was not the case until about 40 years ago.

Back in the 1980s, we learned that obese people in history tended to be the owners of manufacturer operations that ate large to a point that they developed indigestion. Being stout was a status symbol of wealth. Though pictures of such people were rare in the 1800s and early 1900s.

Venus of Willendorf with her rolls of fat no more existed than Zeus with his rippling muscles. They were idealized versions of humans.

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Reply #76 - Jul 21^st, 2023 at 10:42pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 9:18am:

Hi Mothra,
how much do you weigh?

She won’t answer. But as she’s a 5 ft midget it’s easy for her to get to official obesity status and let’s not forget her 24/7 international cyber trolling schedule keeps Methra’s 60 yr old boomer barge arse firmly STUCK by her fat onto the poor chair she’s no doubt broken many times before. 😂🤣😆

Larry projecting again.

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #77 - Jul 21^st, 2023 at 10:43pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 10:42pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 9:18am:

Hi Mothra,
how much do you weigh?

She won’t answer. But as she’s a 5 ft midget it’s easy for her to get to official obesity status and let’s not forget her 24/7 international cyber trolling schedule keeps Methra’s 60 yr old boomer barge arse firmly STUCK by her fat onto the poor chair she’s no doubt broken many times before. 😂🤣😆

Larry projecting again.

You might be right.

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Reply #79 - Jul 21^st, 2023 at 11:23pm

Violet Crumble wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 7:30pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 1:24pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 8:21am:

Violet Crumble wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

Anatomically modern humans have existed for 250,000 years. The fatties we see today didn't even begin to exist until after WWII so please stop with the "genetic" nonsense.

Bullshit! What about the Venus of Willendorf?

I had to look that up to see what you are talking about. Given that fat people have been in history right through to today, it is a given that she was talking about the epidemic of obese people starting after WW2. But, even that was not the case until about 40 years ago.

Back in the 1980s, we learned that obese people in history tended to be the owners of manufacturer operations that ate large to a point that they developed indigestion. Being stout was a status symbol of wealth. Though pictures of such people were rare in the 1800s and early 1900s.

Venus of Willendorf with her rolls of fat no more existed than Zeus with his rippling muscles. They were idealized versions of humans.

That could be so. When I studied art, thinking of Rubens and voluptuous forms were painted by him, back in the 1600s, perhaps it was a desired way to be considering many were starved individuals and boney?
The filled out body formed a sense of wealth, being well off and no lack of food.

I recall the different earlier cultures of voluptuous beauties like Marilyn Monroe, Sophia Loren etc called sex symbols and then…. the skinny culture of Twiggy came along.
I wonder if this is when anorexia/bulimea started to become a social problem?
Certainly self consciousness.
It’s taken a long time for females in particular, to find acceptance of their body size and shape.
I found it comforting to see younger lasses of my kids gen (millennials) that don’t feel the need to be ashamed of their bodies, they are more confident as they accept themselves, and thank goodness as I envy that as I wish I could’ve felt better about myself when I was a teen as a size 12. Would’ve prefrrred to be a size 8! I did get down to a 10 and still felt fat. Fashion clothes back then were unforgiving with no give, all non stretch fabric with zippers and buttons. Jeans were not as comfy stretch as they are now. Used to lay on bed and pull jeans up to zipper it shut. So uncomfortable they were but it’s all that was availed to us. I used to buy Amco jeans. Anyone remember them? Then Staggers came along.
Now there are fab beautiful fashions in many plus sizes for “Rubenesque” bods. Fashion is definitely more comfortable and easy wear.

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #80 - Jul 21^st, 2023 at 11:29pm

Sophia wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 11:23pm:

Violet Crumble wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 7:30pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 1:24pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 8:21am:

Violet Crumble wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

Anatomically modern humans have existed for 250,000 years. The fatties we see today didn't even begin to exist until after WWII so please stop with the "genetic" nonsense.

Bullshit! What about the Venus of Willendorf?

I had to look that up to see what you are talking about. Given that fat people have been in history right through to today, it is a given that she was talking about the epidemic of obese people starting after WW2. But, even that was not the case until about 40 years ago.

Back in the 1980s, we learned that obese people in history tended to be the owners of manufacturer operations that ate large to a point that they developed indigestion. Being stout was a status symbol of wealth. Though pictures of such people were rare in the 1800s and early 1900s.

Venus of Willendorf with her rolls of fat no more existed than Zeus with his rippling muscles. They were idealized versions of humans.

That could be so. When I studied art, thinking of Rubens and voluptuous forms were painted by him, back in the 1600s, perhaps it was a desired way to be considering many were starved individuals and boney?
The filled out body formed a sense of wealth, being well off and no lack of food.

I recall the different earlier cultures of voluptuous beauties like Marilyn Monroe, Sophia Loren etc called sex symbols and then…. the skinny culture of Twiggy came along.
I wonder if this is when anorexia/bulimea started to become a social problem?
Certainly self consciousness.
It’s taken a long time for females in particular, to find acceptance of their body size and shape.
I found it comforting to see younger lasses of my kids gen (millennials) that don’t feel the need to be ashamed of their bodies, they are more confident as they accept themselves, and thank goodness as I envy that as I wish I could’ve felt better about myself when I was a teen as a size 12. Would’ve prefrrred to be a size 8! I did get down to a 10 and still felt fat. Fashion clothes back then were unforgiving with no give, all non stretch fabric with zippers and buttons. Jeans were not as comfy stretch as they are now. Used to lay on bed and pull jeans up to zipper it shut. So uncomfortable they were but it’s all that was availed to us. I used to buy Amco jeans. Anyone remember them? Then Staggers came along.
Now there are fab beautiful fashions in many plus sizes for “Rubenesque” bods. Fashion is definitely more comfortable and easy wear.

A woman in prehistoric Europe would have been incredibly fertile with that much fat, and fertility was much prized. That Venus must have been a symbol of fertility & life. And some researchers speculate that women held a very different place in society prior to agriculture. Have you read the book Sex at Dawn?

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Reply #81 - Jul 21^st, 2023 at 11:33pm

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A woman in prehistoric Europe would have been incredibly fertile with that much fat, and fertility was much prized. That Venus must have been a symbol of fertility & life. And some researchers speculate that women held a very different place in society prior to agriculture. Have you read the book Sex at Dawn?

I haven’t read that book but might look it up since it has a mention.

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #82 - Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 12:59pm

Violet Crumble wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 11:29pm:

A woman in prehistoric Europe would have been incredibly fertile with that much fat, and fertility was much prized. That Venus must have been a symbol of fertility & life. And some researchers speculate that women held a very different place in society prior to agriculture. Have you read the book Sex at Dawn?

Another navel-gazing book. How would a woman get the food and diet available to develop that size back then? Prehistoric Europe? Evidence, please... not conjecture .... now barely historic India - you might have a case.... big-assed Africans etc that we men are supposed to find attractive but really find repulsive and who could never outrun a predator .... or the Kardashian look - lovely when young and repulsive when older?

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #83 - Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 1:01pm

Sophia wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 11:23pm:

Violet Crumble wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 7:30pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 1:24pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 8:21am:

Violet Crumble wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

Anatomically modern humans have existed for 250,000 years. The fatties we see today didn't even begin to exist until after WWII so please stop with the "genetic" nonsense.

Bullshit! What about the Venus of Willendorf?

I had to look that up to see what you are talking about. Given that fat people have been in history right through to today, it is a given that she was talking about the epidemic of obese people starting after WW2. But, even that was not the case until about 40 years ago.

Back in the 1980s, we learned that obese people in history tended to be the owners of manufacturer operations that ate large to a point that they developed indigestion. Being stout was a status symbol of wealth. Though pictures of such people were rare in the 1800s and early 1900s.

Venus of Willendorf with her rolls of fat no more existed than Zeus with his rippling muscles. They were idealized versions of humans.

That could be so. When I studied art, thinking of Rubens and voluptuous forms were painted by him, back in the 1600s, perhaps it was a desired way to be considering many were starved individuals and boney?
The filled out body formed a sense of wealth, being well off and no lack of food.

I recall the different earlier cultures of voluptuous beauties like Marilyn Monroe, Sophia Loren etc called sex symbols and then…. the skinny culture of Twiggy came along.
I wonder if this is when anorexia/bulimea started to become a social problem?
Certainly self consciousness.
It’s taken a long time for females in particular, to find acceptance of their body size and shape.
I found it comforting to see younger lasses of my kids gen (millennials) that don’t feel the need to be ashamed of their bodies, they are more confident as they accept themselves, and thank goodness as I envy that as I wish I could’ve felt better about myself when I was a teen as a size 12. Would’ve prefrrred to be a size 8! I did get down to a 10 and still felt fat. Fashion clothes back then were unforgiving with no give, all non stretch fabric with zippers and buttons. Jeans were not as comfy stretch as they are now. Used to lay on bed and pull jeans up to zipper it shut. So uncomfortable they were but it’s all that was availed to us. I used to buy Amco jeans. Anyone remember them? Then Staggers came along.
Now there are fab beautiful fashions in many plus sizes for “Rubenesque” bods. Fashion is definitely more comfortable and easy wear.

The women of whom you speak were an excellent balance - not balloons... balloons are the latest trend.

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Reply #84 - Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 4:50pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 9:18am:

Hi Mothra,
how much do you weigh?

She won’t answer. But as she’s a 5 ft midget it’s easy for her to get to official obesity status and let’s not forget her 24/7 international cyber trolling schedule keeps Methra’s 60 yr old boomer barge arse firmly STUCK by her fat onto the poor chair she’s no doubt broken many times before. 😂🤣😆

What would you say you are, Lisa? 5ft 10in, 60kg, skinny waist, muscular calves, and D-cup breasts?

If you object to me saying that, you should not be making assumptions about others, too.

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Reply #86 - Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 8:22pm

I don't have to imagine it. I lived in a student accommodation house 22 years ago. My housemate was a 170kg couch potato. In the summer months, right into mid-Autumn, he would run the air conditioning full on for cold, because his weight was so much insulation that he was always hot. The couch he would lay on was practically blackened cushions after he moved out. The bedroom he stayed in smelled like moulded cheese and whatever foul smell for months after he moved out. The week before I moved out to another unit, I sprayed his old room for about 10 seconds with some Glen20, then I closed his door to clean up the rest of the house. On my final day there, I checked all the bedrooms for anything left behind. Apart from the faint smell of the Glen20, the room of the fat arse was barely any better. I left the door of his bedroom open from then onwards, and I gave that room another 20 seconds of Glen20 spraying, hoping that this would be enough to minimise the smell for the next tenant.

The thing is, he managed to lose about 80kg over a 2 year period. So, he was capable of losing weight. He just did not want to when he was a teenager.

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Reply #87 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 11:10am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 8:09am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 21^st, 2023 at 7:55am:

Don’t forget the artificial flavours/preservatives in foods we buy from the supermarket. Even the fruit and veg is chemically treated. And we bring all this home to cook food for our family thinking it’s so much healthier.

I try hard to grow as much as I can as nothing beats home grown organic fruit and vegetables. Ohhhh it’s difficult to mention stuff like this as I still miss mum. She taught me everything about growing fruit and veges. Mum’s entire backyard was her farmlet and we loved helping her turn it into a garden of Eden. Free of pesticides. All natural.

We just need to go back to those days. But no one understands/wants to understand such a message.

😔😩🥺

Hi Lisa,
even 15 years ago and it's worse now:

https://www.cyclehelmets.org/1193.html

Australia: the world's fattest nation
A public health crisis

Australia is now the fattest nation in the world, with more than 9 million adults rated as obese or overweight. (Stewart et al, 2008)

It is predicted that this will lead to 123,000 premature deaths over the next two decades and that an extra 700,000 people will be admitted to hospital for heart attacks, strokes and blood clots caused by excess weight. The costs will exceed AUD 6 billion.

4 million Australians – 26% of the adult population – are now obese and a further 5 million overweight. But among the middle-aged population, who are most at risk of premature death,
72% of men and 58% of women are obese or overweight.

The grim picture is blamed on

a boom in fast food

and a decline in physical activity. It is said to be a public health crisis with no parallel.

Yes, but there's fast food and there's fast shyte disguised as food.

For example, a traditional 'Greek cafe' hamburger is, apart from the fat content of the
beef patty, basically a fairly healthy meal with its ingredients being both varied and
fresh, and unadulterated by being over-processed. Ingredients can be added (bacon
egg etc) or deleted (beetroot or tomato) if desired.

A well-made hamburger is - and should be - essentially a fairly nutritious and well-rounded
small meal, but in a bun instead of on a plate. AND - it's made fresh when you order it, it
hasn't been sitting in a bain-marie for God knows how long, so there's that.

Compare that with the usual offerings from Maccas, Hungry Jack's or KFC - all of which
have the living crap processed out of them, a limited choice of ingredients, and lashings
of sugar-filled mayo. Not to mention the chemical additives and preservatives. And then
there's the hard-sell to upsize or buy 'side dishes' and drinks - all of it loaded to the
point of overflow, as Monk mentioned earlier, with high-fructose corn syrup and salt.

I have personally experienced KFC thst you could literally wring the oil out of.

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #88 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 11:48am

Kat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 11:10am:

Yes, but there's fast food and there's fast shyte disguised as food.

For example, a traditional 'Greek cafe' hamburger is, apart from the fat content of the
beef patty, basically a fairly healthy meal with its ingredients being both varied and
fresh, and unadulterated by being over-processed. Ingredients can be added (bacon
egg etc) or deleted (beetroot or tomato) if desired.

A well-made hamburger is - and should be - essentially a fairly nutritious and well-rounded
small meal, but in a bun instead of on a plate. AND - it's made fresh when you order it, it
hasn't been sitting in a bain-marie for God knows how long, so there's that.

Compare that with the usual offerings from Maccas, Hungry Jack's or KFC - all of which
have the living crap processed out of them, a limited choice of ingredients, and lashings
of sugar-filled mayo. Not to mention the chemical additives and preservatives. And then
there's the hard-sell to upsize or buy 'side dishes' and drinks - all of it loaded to the
point of overflow, as Monk mentioned earlier, with high-fructose corn syrup and salt.

I have personally experienced KFC that you could literally wring the oil out of.

Yes - as an experiment put KFC in an oven for 30 minutes
with a drip tray underneath it and see how much oil and grease comes out of it. Shocked

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #89 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 12:16pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 7:39pm:

Imagine the fat person smell for the whole flight!

You do realise, I hope, that they don't actually smell any different to anyone else.

Why would they?

Being overweight doesn't mean they're incapacitated and can't shower or perform
other body-hygiene tasks. It doesn't mean they can't or won't use deodorant or
perfume, or wear clean clothes.

Are you capable of forming a single opinion any particular group without
immediately and unerringly going for the old 'worst-case' stereotypes - which
are almost always inspired by the same bigotry and ignorance you seem to be
so proud of possessing?

I'd rather find myself sitting next to an overweight bloke or woman, than some
clown who beer-farts his way through the flight, a bratty kid, or someone who
either talks non-stop or not at all.

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