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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25200 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS Reply #15 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 12:43pm If you have a medical condition that prevents you from running, that would account for not being in optimum physical condition. But you would not be 50kg overweight because of it.
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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #16 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 1:30pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 10:46am:

99% of fat people are fat because of their own doing. Very rarely is it genetic.

They're greedy, arrogant and normally full of excuses as to why they are the way they are.
There's one hole in the head that causes obesity.
Most fat people never close that hole.
They either spew excuses out of it, or shovel shyte into it, but that hole never stops moving and it's why they are the way they are.

There’s no doubt that obesity results from poor and entrenched habits wrt diet and exercise.

Unfortunately this means esp after some time...that their mindset is enslaved also. In fact obesity affected individuals often have psychological/psychiatric issues which manifest through their obesity. Unaddressed childhood abuse/trauma/neglect issues can be a primary causal factor.

As parents ... we must be on the look out at all times for any signs dysfunction in our children. Obesity is one such dysfunction and the inability to control food intake in general should ring alarm bells in any person who we interact with. I don’t think those alarm bells should be prompting us to denigrate such individuals. They deserve our pity and compassion as well as a kind word of encouragement to help them cautiously navigate their way out of the darkness of the cave they’re trapped in.

I refuse to be politically correct ESP when it comes to the issue of obesity. Obesity is NOT normal and it’s NOT healthy. People’s life expectancy and ability to live an independent life are at risk. They place themselves and others around them at risk of harm. All this ultimately costs the community (ie the tax payer) a lot of money to sort out.

Our health system is already bankrupt compliments of the baby boomer/aging population phenomenon.

The current unresolved Covid19 global pandemic has only magnified/intensified the lack of funding which SHOULD be available but isn’t.

Take Away Point 👉 We who are Gen X, Y etc MUST undertake all due diligence to ensure we remain HEALTHY, ABLE and OUT of ALL hospital systems. That must be our priority if we are to be part of the solution and not the problem.

Rubbish!

Its problem is that it's been inexorably undermined, corrupted and white-anted from the inside by the Right, ever
since it was created.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 119200 Melbourne Gender:	Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS Reply #17 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 1:51pm Kat wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 1:30pm: Rubbish! Its problem is that it's been inexorably undermined, corrupted and white-anted from the inside by the Right, ever since it was created. So right wingers are to blame?
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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #18 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 2:10pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 6:21am:

Well, I guess it's difficult to comment appropriately
considering that we know nothing of this woman's
medical background or possible chronic condition—or
whether she paid for two seats (which I'm guessing
she did, under commercial airlines policy).

Whatever, this type of public "fat shaming" is
offensive and could easily cause this unfortunate
woman a lot of unnecessary mental distress, which
could exacerbate an already fragile mindset.

I'm also sorry that you've chosen to share in her
bullying by further exposing this gratuitous image,
Violet Crumble, (ironically with 58g sugar per 100g in
every bar). And to describe her as "a piece of lard"
only piles further offence on your already bigoted
opinion.

You might like to check out this Wikipedia entry:
Social stigma of obesity in order to correct your
ill-informed, stigmatising opinion.

You do know don't you that your sort of fat-shaming
aligns very closely with racism—that is unreasonable
dislike or aversion to "the other"? Or maybe you don't?

—And of course, our resident health guru Aquascoot
has to get his 2 cents-worth in about his favourite
old warhorse; overweight, slack and idle people
eating to much convenience food. He even opines
that obesity can exacerbate contracting COVID! LOL.

Fat shaming could be the impetus to actually do something about it.

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #19 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 2:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 8:49am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 8:25am:

I guess it's difficult to fairly judge the physical size
and mass of somebody—particularly—on an airline,
because of the implications of potentially invasive
questioning and/or a breach of a person's right to
privacy.

There are genuine medical causes in some cases for
obesity: Cushing’s Syndrome, hypothyroidism or
monogenic obesity for example.

So... can an airline booking agent ask specifically for
evidence of a medical condition? Would that overrule
the personal rights of an overweight person? At what
point would a person's weight trigger extra charges?

It's a tricky scenario. Cool

Just put them on some scales.

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1.jpg[/url]

Yeah - they squeeze the bags through pin holes....

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #20 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 2:13pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 12:43pm:

If you have a medical condition that prevents you from running, that would account for not being in optimum physical condition. But you would not be 50kg overweight because of it.

There's an ad around saying "Mary-Sue (whoever) lost 100 kg on our fabo diet!" Say what?

I only weigh around 83!.

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Reply #21 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 2:35pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 12:43pm:

If you have a medical condition that prevents you from running, that would account for not being in optimum physical condition. But you would not be 50kg overweight because of it.

You're 99% correct.

Burning energy to to stay lean doesn't work in as simple energy in/out.
Exercise, being fit, having lean muscle makes your body healthy which helps you to be lean but if you had to do one thing to lose weight, it would be to control intake.

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #22 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 2:58pm

Kat wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 1:30pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 10:46am:

99% of fat people are fat because of their own doing. Very rarely is it genetic.

They're greedy, arrogant and normally full of excuses as to why they are the way they are.
There's one hole in the head that causes obesity.
Most fat people never close that hole.
They either spew excuses out of it, or shovel shyte into it, but that hole never stops moving and it's why they are the way they are.

There’s no doubt that obesity results from poor and entrenched habits wrt diet and exercise.

Unfortunately this means esp after some time...that their mindset is enslaved also. In fact obesity affected individuals often have psychological/psychiatric issues which manifest through their obesity. Unaddressed childhood abuse/trauma/neglect issues can be a primary causal factor.

As parents ... we must be on the look out at all times for any signs dysfunction in our children. Obesity is one such dysfunction and the inability to control food intake in general should ring alarm bells in any person who we interact with. I don’t think those alarm bells should be prompting us to denigrate such individuals. They deserve our pity and compassion as well as a kind word of encouragement to help them cautiously navigate their way out of the darkness of the cave they’re trapped in.

I refuse to be politically correct ESP when it comes to the issue of obesity. Obesity is NOT normal and it’s NOT healthy. People’s life expectancy and ability to live an independent life are at risk. They place themselves and others around them at risk of harm. All this ultimately costs the community (ie the tax payer) a lot of money to sort out.

Our health system is already bankrupt compliments of the baby boomer/aging population phenomenon.

The current unresolved Covid19 global pandemic has only magnified/intensified the lack of funding which SHOULD be available but isn’t.

Take Away Point 👉 We who are Gen X, Y etc MUST undertake all due diligence to ensure we remain HEALTHY, ABLE and OUT of ALL hospital systems. That must be our priority if we are to be part of the solution and not the problem.

Rubbish!

Its problem is that it's been inexorably undermined, corrupted and white-anted from the inside by the Right, ever
since it was created.

incorrect. health spending has gone up 9.5 % average year on year for the last 10 years.

and then you need to add in the NDIS which is nearly as costly as health care and often to do with treating bad lifestyle choices

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #23 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 3:01pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 10:46am:

99% of fat people are fat because of their own doing. Very rarely is it genetic...

There's an estimated 1,800 to 2,000 people in
Australia suffering from Cushing's syndrome. More
than 40 people a year are newly diagnosed with
the condition.

Is that very rare? You tell me. Roll Eyes

An interesting report HERE on the genetics of obesity.

Sure that's rare.
Less than 1% of our population.

My observation is from pounding the pavement.
Nearly everyone I pass is inflamed.
Couple that with every second person having a "gut" to some extent.
I'd guarantee that the majority of those people have done that to themselves.
Greedy eating habits.
Lazy folk that spend stupid amounts of hours in front of TV or computer.
Tipping copious amounts of alcohol down their hole.
Then denying they are the problem and blaming stress etc.

I still stand by my statement. Majority of fatties are fat because of their own doing.
It's a western culture enriched problem.

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #24 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 3:07pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 10:46am:

99% of fat people are fat because of their own doing. Very rarely is it genetic.

They're greedy, arrogant and normally full of excuses as to why they are the way they are.
There's one hole in the head that causes obesity.
Most fat people never close that hole.
They either spew excuses out of it, or shovel shyte into it, but that hole never stops moving and it's why they are the way they are.

There’s no doubt that obesity results from poor and entrenched habits wrt diet and exercise.

Unfortunately this means esp after some time...that their mindset is enslaved also. In fact obesity affected individuals often have psychological/psychiatric issues which manifest through their obesity. Unaddressed childhood abuse/trauma/neglect issues can be a primary causal factor.

As parents ... we must be on the look out at all times for any signs dysfunction in our children. Obesity is one such dysfunction and the inability to control food intake in general should ring alarm bells in any person who we interact with. I don’t think those alarm bells should be prompting us to denigrate such individuals. They deserve our pity and compassion as well as a kind word of encouragement to help them cautiously navigate their way out of the darkness of the cave they’re trapped in.

I refuse to be politically correct ESP when it comes to the issue of obesity. Obesity is NOT normal and it’s NOT healthy. People’s life expectancy and ability to live an independent life are at risk. They place themselves and others around them at risk of harm. All this ultimately costs the community (ie the tax payer) a lot of money to sort out. Our health system is already bankrupt compliments of the baby boomer/aging population phenomenon. The current unresolved Covid19 global pandemic has only magnified/intensified the lack of funding which SHOULD be available but isn’t.

Take Away Point 👉 We who are Gen X, Y etc MUST undertake all due diligence to ensure we remain HEALTHY, ABLE and OUT of ALL hospital systems. That must be our priority if we are to be part of the solution and not the problem.

Agree.

We've traded good health, for the easy life.

I get so frustrated when I see a pair of obese parents with a young child that is also well over weight.
That is a form of child abuse imo.
Then we have these obese you tubers trying to glorify their own sickness and getting applauded for doing so.
Society should instead be truthful with them, not encouraging them.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 119200 Melbourne Gender:	Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS Reply #25 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 3:11pm Just tell all the fatties to get on the scales:
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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #26 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 5:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 1:30pm:

Rubbish!

Its problem is that it's been inexorably undermined, corrupted and
white-anted from the inside by the Right, ever since it was created.

So right wingers are to blame?

Exactly!

Kat’s full of shyte! It’s a usual issue for her.

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #27 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 5:09pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 3:07pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 10:46am:

99% of fat people are fat because of their own doing. Very rarely is it genetic.

They're greedy, arrogant and normally full of excuses as to why they are the way they are.
There's one hole in the head that causes obesity.
Most fat people never close that hole.
They either spew excuses out of it, or shovel shyte into it, but that hole never stops moving and it's why they are the way they are.

There’s no doubt that obesity results from poor and entrenched habits wrt diet and exercise.

Unfortunately this means esp after some time...that their mindset is enslaved also. In fact obesity affected individuals often have psychological/psychiatric issues which manifest through their obesity. Unaddressed childhood abuse/trauma/neglect issues can be a primary causal factor.

As parents ... we must be on the look out at all times for any signs dysfunction in our children. Obesity is one such dysfunction and the inability to control food intake in general should ring alarm bells in any person who we interact with. I don’t think those alarm bells should be prompting us to denigrate such individuals. They deserve our pity and compassion as well as a kind word of encouragement to help them cautiously navigate their way out of the darkness of the cave they’re trapped in.

I refuse to be politically correct ESP when it comes to the issue of obesity. Obesity is NOT normal and it’s NOT healthy. People’s life expectancy and ability to live an independent life are at risk. They place themselves and others around them at risk of harm. All this ultimately costs the community (ie the tax payer) a lot of money to sort out. Our health system is already bankrupt compliments of the baby boomer/aging population phenomenon. The current unresolved Covid19 global pandemic has only magnified/intensified the lack of funding which SHOULD be available but isn’t.

Take Away Point 👉 We who are Gen X, Y etc MUST undertake all due diligence to ensure we remain HEALTHY, ABLE and OUT of ALL hospital systems. That must be our priority if we are to be part of the solution and not the problem.

Agree.

We've traded good health, for the easy life.

I get so frustrated when I see a pair of obese parents with a young child that is also well over weight.
That is a form of child abuse imo.
Then we have these obese you tubers trying to glorify their own sickness and getting applauded for doing so.
Society should instead be truthful with them, not encouraging them.

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Re: You walk onto a plane & see THIS
Reply #28 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 7:10pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 12:43pm:

If you have a medical condition that prevents you from running, that would account for not being in optimum physical condition. But you would not be 50kg overweight because of it.

There's an ad around saying "Mary-Sue (whoever) lost 100 kg on our fabo diet!" Say what?

I only weigh around 83!.

I weighed 80kg in the year 2006. I put on weight to be about 128kg by 2014. The difference between the two years was diet and exercise in 2006. Fast food, alcohol and a lack of exercise got me to 128kg 8 years later.

I walk out of the male toilets at the Stockland shopping centre and I see this full length mirror before the exit. I kid myself when I leave the house thinking that I am relatively fit. But, passing that full length mirror at the shopping centre, I know that I should not have had that fast food meal a few minutes beforehand.

My weightloss goal would be to get down to 90kg by September so that I can join the university gym and put on some muscle for a 6 month membership.

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Reply #29 - Jul 20^th, 2023 at 7:14pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 2:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 12:43pm:

If you have a medical condition that prevents you from running, that would account for not being in optimum physical condition. But you would not be 50kg overweight because of it.

You're 99% correct.

Burning energy to to stay lean doesn't work in as simple energy in/out.
Exercise, being fit, having lean muscle makes your body healthy which helps you to be lean but if you had to do one thing to lose weight, it would be to control intake.

The other day, I had foot strain for carrying too much weight in my pack during my resistance training walk. I limped around all day and was a little sore the day after. But, generally, the foot soreness comes down to diet and your ability to recover with the proper nutritional intake.

Whilst I see people with physical impairment being overweight or obese, there are those that can maintain a proper body weight simply by being moderately active and eating a proper diet.

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