Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 
Send Topic Print
China won't export 2 key minerals: (Read 2101 times)
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
China won't export 2 key minerals:
Jul 5th, 2023 at 11:46am
 
https://sputnikglobe.com/20230704/has-china-just-checkmated-the-us-by-banning-ra...


Has China Just Checkmated the US by Banning Rare Earth Exports?


9 hours ago


...



China's ban is a response to the West's not-so-well thought out strategy of economically decoupling from the People's Republic, Asia-Pacific consultant Thomas W. Pauken told Sputnik.
China has imposed restrictions on exporting two strategic raw materials, gallium and germanium,

which are crucial for the world's electronic chip-making industry. The US mainstream press called Beijing's move a "second counter-measure" in the unfolding Sino-American tech confrontation, which followed the People's Republic sanctioning America's Micron Technology (MU) in May.
Last October, the Biden administration unveiled an unprecedented set of export controls that restricted Chinese companies from purchasing advanced chips made anywhere in the world using US technology, as well as chip-making equipment.
The US media noted at the time that Washington's move would thwart "China’s technological ambitions," bragging that the global semiconductor industry was "almost entirely" dependent on the US and its allies. Now the American newspapers are admitting China has played "a trump card in the chip war."

Why Didn't Team Biden See This Coming?

The People's Republic boasts 63% of the world’s rare earth mining, 85% of processing, and 92% of magnet production. As per the 2022 US Geological Survey, between 2017 and 2020 the United States imported a whopping 78% of its rare earth metals from China, followed by Estonia (6%), Malaysia (5%) and Japan (4%).
Back in 2019, the Asian giant warned the Trump administration about including rare earths in Beijing’s technology-export restrictions, as Washington stepped up pressure on Chinese telecom firm Huawei. Donald Trump's successor, Joe Biden, continued to raise the stakes in a technological tit-for-tat with China by implementing the CHIPS and Science Act in August 2022 and introducing semiconductor restrictions last October. In December 2022, US policy-makers were lively discussing possible bans on TikTok, a Chinese short-form video hosting service.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #1 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 11:48am
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/04/tech/china-export-controls-semiconductor-war-...


China just played a trump card in the chip war.
Are more export curbs coming?


Laura He
By Laura He, CNN
Updated 8:45 AM EDT, Tue July 4, 2023



Hong Kong CNN  —

A trade war between China and the United States
over the future of semiconductors is escalating.


Beijing hit back Monday by playing a trump card: It imposed export controls on two strategic raw materials, gallium and germanium, that are critical to the global chipmaking industry.

“We see this as China’s second, and much bigger, counter measure to the tech war, and likely a response to the potential US tightening of [its] AI chip ban,” said Jefferies analysts. Sanctioning one of America’s biggest memory chipmakers, Micron Technology (MU), in May was the first, they said.

Here’s what you need to know about gallium and germanium, how they could play into the chip war and whether more countermeasures could be coming.
How did we get here?

Last October, the Biden administration unveiled a set of export controls banning Chinese companies from buying advanced chips and chip-making equipment without a license.

Chips are vital for everything from smartphones and self-driving cars to advanced computing and weapons manufacturing. US officials have talked about the move as a measure to protect national security interests.

But it didn’t stop there. For the curbs to be effective, Washington needed other key suppliers, located in the Netherlands and Japan, to join. They did.

China eventually retaliated. In April, it launched a cybersecurity probe into Micron before banning the company from selling to Chinese companies working on key infrastructure projects. On Monday, Beijing announced the restrictions on gallium and germanium.


What are these materials?

Gallium is a soft, silvery metal and is easy to cut with a knife. It’s commonly used to produce compounds that are key materials in semiconductors and light-emitting diodes.

Germanium is a hard, grayish-white and brittle metalloid that is used in the production of optical fibers that can transmit light and electronic data.

The export controls have drawn comparisons with China’s reported attempts in early 2021 to restrict exports of rare earths, a group of 17 elements for which China controls more than half of the global supply.

Gallium and germanium do not belong to this group of minerals. Like rare earths, they can be expensive to mine or produce.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30923
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #2 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 11:55am
 
Western greed put china on the map and now it has come back to bite them on the bum. They sent all of their manufacturing capacity to china and now their own people who have no future prospects are walking around off their face on fentanyl all day Sad
Back to top
 

"If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region..." - Benjamin Netanyahu in 1995
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #3 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 12:02pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 11:55am:
Western greed put china on the map and now it has come back to bite them on the bum. They sent all of their manufacturing capacity to china and now their own people who have no future prospects are walking around off their face on fentanyl all day Sad



Silly old Joe Biden didn't see this coming.   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #4 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 1:52pm
 

China will butt slam the West.
Biden stopped them getting lithography chip making machines
so they have replied accordingly.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Belgarion
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6141
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #5 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:07pm
 
Easy fix. We stop all exports to China. That will soon show them whose bitch they are.
Back to top
 

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire.....(possibly)
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #6 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:12pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:07pm:
Easy fix. We stop all exports to China. That will soon show them whose bitch they are.



Then we'll have no money.    Cry
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #7 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:44pm
 
I'm pretty sure that will do more harm to China than anyone else.

It's like when they banned Australian coal. Not sure if our coal miners noticed, but the Chinese peasants noticed when the lights went out.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Super Nova
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 3085
Everywhere
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #8 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:53pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:12pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:07pm:
Easy fix. We stop all exports to China. That will soon show them whose bitch they are.



Then we'll have no money.    Cry


We should never have become dependent on just digging up our country or growing shite to export as raw material for other countries to add the real value for us to buy it back.

Time to get back to adding value to our raw materials and return to being a lucky country instead continuing down the path of a lazy stupid country.


Back to top
 
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Super Nova
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 3085
Everywhere
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #9 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 6:01pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 11:55am:
Western greed put china on the map and now it has come back to bite them on the bum. They sent all of their manufacturing capacity to china and now their own people who have no future prospects are walking around off their face on fentanyl all day Sad


Hey Nail, really like your comment. Spot on.

Not just greed, short term thinking by the west. China thinks long term, not quarter to quarter.
Back to top
 
WWW  
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 78311
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #10 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 6:54pm
 
Kazakhstan is about to become very rich after this announcement
Back to top
 

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
IP Logged
 
Setanta
Gold Member
*****
Offline


\/ Peace man!

Posts: 17319
Northern NSW
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #11 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:24pm
 
Super Nova wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 6:01pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 11:55am:
Western greed put china on the map and now it has come back to bite them on the bum. They sent all of their manufacturing capacity to china and now their own people who have no future prospects are walking around off their face on fentanyl all day Sad


Hey Nail, really like your comment. Spot on.

Not just greed, short term thinking by the west. China thinks long term, not quarter to quarter.


I blame Kissinger.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #12 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:29pm
 
Super Nova wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:12pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:07pm:
Easy fix. We stop all exports to China. That will soon show them whose bitch they are.



Then we'll have no money.    Cry


We should never have become dependent on just digging up our country or growing shite to export as raw material for other countries to add the real value for us to buy it back.

Time to get back to adding value to our raw materials and return to being a lucky country instead continuing down the path of a lazy stupid country.




Yes - I think only 5% of our economy is manufacturing.   Shocked
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Laugh till you cry
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 16619
In your happy place
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #13 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
Super Nova wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:12pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:07pm:
Easy fix. We stop all exports to China. That will soon show them whose bitch they are.



Then we'll have no money.    Cry


We should never have become dependent on just digging up our country or growing shite to export as raw material for other countries to add the real value for us to buy it back.

Time to get back to adding value to our raw materials and return to being a lucky country instead continuing down the path of a lazy stupid country.




Yes - I think only 5% of our economy is manufacturing.   Shocked


Because Australian manufactured goods are uncompetitive in price and quality.

Australians can't afford Australian manufactured goods.

Australia can't even make bricks when they can be transported halfway around the world from other countries at a lower price than Australian bricks.
Back to top
 

Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #14 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:48pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
Super Nova wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:12pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:07pm:
Easy fix. We stop all exports to China. That will soon show them whose bitch they are.



Then we'll have no money.    Cry


We should never have become dependent on just digging up our country or growing shite to export as raw material for other countries to add the real value for us to buy it back.

Time to get back to adding value to our raw materials and return to being a lucky country instead continuing down the path of a lazy stupid country.




Yes - I think only 5% of our economy is manufacturing.   Shocked


Because Australian manufactured goods are uncompetitive in price and quality.

Australians can't afford Australian manufactured goods.

Australia can't even make bricks when they can be transported halfway around the world from other countries at a lower price than Australian bricks.



Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
issuevoter
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9200
The Great State of Mind
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #15 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 7:35am
 
"Biden didn't see it coming." Says who?
Back to top
 

No political allegiance. No philosophy. No religion.
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #16 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 7:45am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:48pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
Super Nova wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:12pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:07pm:
Easy fix. We stop all exports to China. That will soon show them whose bitch they are.



Then we'll have no money.    Cry


We should never have become dependent on just digging up our country or growing shite to export as raw material for other countries to add the real value for us to buy it back.

Time to get back to adding value to our raw materials and return to being a lucky country instead continuing down the path of a lazy stupid country.




Yes - I think only 5% of our economy is manufacturing.   Shocked


Because Australian manufactured goods are uncompetitive in price and quality.

Australians can't afford Australian manufactured goods.

Australia can't even make bricks when they can be transported halfway around the world from other countries at a lower price than Australian bricks.



Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?


Yeah. Our days of glory.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #17 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 8:30am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 7:45am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:48pm:
Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?


Yeah. Our days of glory.



We made many things - but not anymore.
Melbourne used to be a place where unskilled workers could
get a decent paying job and raise a family.
Not anymore - all those jobs went offshore - to:
China, Malaysia, the Philippines & Vietnam  etc.

We didn't replace any of it with value adding to our commodities -
we even stopped making steel and just exported iron ore.
The Chinese make the steel and a lot of it has impurities
such as Boron which makes it brittle and causes
bridge and building collapses.
I wonder if that's what caused this:
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1688252648

Bean counters running construction companies saved a few pennies
by using inferior Chinese products and now the whole world is paying a heavy price.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30923
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #18 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:05am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 8:30am:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 7:45am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:48pm:
Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?


Yeah. Our days of glory.



We made many things - but not anymore.
Melbourne used to be a place where unskilled workers could
get a decent paying job and raise a family.
Not anymore - all those jobs went offshore - to:
China, Malaysia, the Philippines & Vietnam  etc.

We didn't replace any of it with value adding to our commodities -
we even stopped making steel and just exported iron ore.
The Chinese make the steel and a lot of it has impurities
such as Boron which makes it brittle and causes
bridge and building collapses.
I wonder if that's what caused this:
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1688252648

Bean counters running construction companies saved a few pennies
by using inferior Chinese products and now the whole world is paying a heavy price.



Now replaced with a ponzi scheme flipping houses using more and more debt and a criminal tax evasion scheme Sad
Back to top
 

"If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region..." - Benjamin Netanyahu in 1995
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #19 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:06am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:05am:
Now replaced with a ponzi scheme flipping houses using more and more debt and a criminal tax evasion scheme Sad



yes - the Govt. made it easier for business people
to flip houses rather than invest in industry.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30923
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #20 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:09am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:06am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:05am:
Now replaced with a ponzi scheme flipping houses using more and more debt and a criminal tax evasion scheme Sad



yes - the Govt. made it easier for business people
to flip houses rather than invest in industry.


that's why they don't do anything useful here and have to import everything under the the sun to feed their so called overrated debt ladened service sector Cheesy LOL
Back to top
 

"If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region..." - Benjamin Netanyahu in 1995
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #21 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:16am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:09am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:06am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:05am:
Now replaced with a ponzi scheme flipping houses using more and more debt and a criminal tax evasion scheme Sad



yes - the Govt. made it easier for business people
to flip houses rather than invest in industry.


that's why they don't do anything useful here and have to import everything under the the sun to feed their so called overrated debt ladened service sector Cheesy LOL



China is really trying to bum chum us and the whole world
so will we be able to supply gallium and germanium now
or will it take years to develop the mines and processing?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Laugh till you cry
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 16619
In your happy place
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #22 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 11:26am
 
What if China stops exporting to Australia and the only economic activity in Australia is flipping houses to gain from negative gearing?
Back to top
 

Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.
 
IP Logged
 
Linus
Senior Member
****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 471
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #23 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 2:22pm
 
The horse has bolted in respect of manufacturing in Australia. It's nigh impossible to stimulate any growth in it. Factors acting against it include:

1. Relatively high labour costs

2. Australia's overall strong currency.

3.Global competition from low labour cost countries which also benefit from economies of scale that we can't develop.

4. Small domestic market preventing the development of economies of scale.

5. Geographic isolation. The transport costs of importing materials and exporting manufactures undermine out competitiveness.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6211
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #24 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 2:39pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:48pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
Super Nova wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:12pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:07pm:
Easy fix. We stop all exports to China. That will soon show them whose bitch they are.



Then we'll have no money.    Cry


We should never have become dependent on just digging up our country or growing shite to export as raw material for other countries to add the real value for us to buy it back.

Time to get back to adding value to our raw materials and return to being a lucky country instead continuing down the path of a lazy stupid country.




Yes - I think only 5% of our economy is manufacturing.   Shocked


Because Australian manufactured goods are uncompetitive in price and quality.

Australians can't afford Australian manufactured goods.

Australia can't even make bricks when they can be transported halfway around the world from other countries at a lower price than Australian bricks.



Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?



It's the taxes and registration fees imposed on our manufacturing that caused this.

If we manufacture from our own materials and do not rely on OS goods, it costs us dearly.
If it's shipped here in parts and assembled here, cheap as chips.

Now who would do such a thing to us.
Hmm, I wonder...  Roll Eyes
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #25 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 2:47pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 2:39pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:48pm:
Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?



It's the taxes and registration fees imposed on our manufacturing that caused this.

If we manufacture from our own materials and do not rely on OS goods, it costs us dearly.
If it's shipped here in parts and assembled here, cheap as chips.

Now who would do such a thing to us.
Hmm, I wonder...  Roll Eyes



It's terrible - literally 10s of 1000s of businesses were closed down -
many were large profitable factories  - when they couldn't compete
on the level playing field with China where
they paid a bowl of rice per day and had no health and safety regulations.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #26 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 5:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 8:30am:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 7:45am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:48pm:
Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?


Yeah. Our days of glory.



We made many things - but not anymore.
Melbourne used to be a place where unskilled workers could
get a decent paying job and raise a family.
Not anymore - all those jobs went offshore - to:
China, Malaysia, the Philippines & Vietnam  etc.

We didn't replace any of it with value adding to our commodities -
we even stopped making steel and just exported iron ore.
The Chinese make the steel and a lot of it has impurities
such as Boron which makes it brittle and causes
bridge and building collapses.
I wonder if that's what caused this:
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1688252648

Bean counters running construction companies saved a few pennies
by using inferior Chinese products and now the whole world is paying a heavy price.



They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now. Though not always.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #27 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now.
Though not always.



I spoke to a few immigrants back in the early 80s.
When they arrived in Australia they could hardly speak English
but they could still earn a living in a factory and they enjoyed it.
It was a lot better than where they had come from in southern Europe.
Even 25 years or more after WW2 Europe was still devastated for many countries:
high unemployment, food rationing no prospects.
Even France still had food rationing in 1958 and so did England - I think?

The minimum wage here now is $23 an hour I think?
In India a University graduate would work for less than that!
It's hard to compete with 3rd world countries on wages.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Super Nova
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 3085
Everywhere
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #28 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:25pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 11:26am:
What if China stops exporting to Australia and the only economic activity in Australia is flipping houses to gain from negative gearing?


That what it looks like to me.

However Australian are apparently the riches people in the world. Go figure.
Back to top
 
WWW  
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #29 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:27pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now.
Though not always.



I spoke to a few immigrants back in the early 80s.
When they arrived in Australia they could hardly speak English
but they could still earn a living in a factory and they enjoyed it.
It was a lot better than where they had come from in southern Europe.
Even 25 years or more after WW2 Europe was still devastated for many countries:
high unemployment, food rationing no prospects.
Even France still had food rationing in 1958 and so did England - I think?

The minimum wage here now is $23 an hour I think?
In India a University graduate would work for less than that!
It's hard to compete with 3rd world countries on wages.


We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs. All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #30 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:27pm:
We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs.
All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.



But were the Australian shoes and other products of higher quality?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #31 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 8:13pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:33pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:27pm:
We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs.
All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.



But were the Australian shoes and other products of higher quality?


Who cares? You can now buy a $4 shirt from kmart, or a $40 one from a specialty store, or even a $400 one if you are that way inclined. It is not for the government to decide for you.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bias_2012
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 10766
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #32 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 8:42pm
 
I once bought a good pair of casual trousers from Kmart for $2 ... they had the wrong bar code, the real cost was about $30, Kmart had to sell them for $2, and that's what I got them for

I'll bet there's frantic attempts to find rare earth minerals in Australia




Back to top
 

Our Lives Are Governed By The Feast & Famine Variable
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #33 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 8:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:33pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:27pm:
We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs.
All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.



But were the Australian shoes and other products of higher quality?


Who cares? You can now buy a $4 shirt from kmart, or a $40 one from a specialty store, or even a $400 one if you are that way inclined. It is not for the government to decide for you.



Tell the EU that.
They make it their business to protect their industries and their jobs.
Australia allowed their industries to turn into an industrial graveyard.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30923
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #34 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:27pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now.
Though not always.



I spoke to a few immigrants back in the early 80s.
When they arrived in Australia they could hardly speak English
but they could still earn a living in a factory and they enjoyed it.
It was a lot better than where they had come from in southern Europe.
Even 25 years or more after WW2 Europe was still devastated for many countries:
high unemployment, food rationing no prospects.
Even France still had food rationing in 1958 and so did England - I think?

The minimum wage here now is $23 an hour I think?
In India a University graduate would work for less than that!
It's hard to compete with 3rd world countries on wages.


We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs. All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.


you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad
Back to top
 

"If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region..." - Benjamin Netanyahu in 1995
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #35 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:16pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad



Hi sir Nail,
the politicians should have been out there fighting for every job -
for every business to stay open.
That's what they do in Europe.
We have spent 30 years flipping houses in a Ponzi scheme.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30923
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #36 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:19pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:16pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad



Hi sir Nail,
the politicians should have been out there fighting for every job -
for every business to stay open.
That's what they do in Europe.
We have spent 30 years flipping houses in a Ponzi scheme.


the dumbarse pollies kept telling us that we had to transition from manufacturing to services economy and the middle class chinaman would buy our services from us Cheesy LOL

all we got to sell them is our houses and education programs which ultimately they use to compete with us Sad
Back to top
 

"If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region..." - Benjamin Netanyahu in 1995
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #37 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:29pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:19pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:16pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad



Hi sir Nail,
the politicians should have been out there fighting for every job -
for every business to stay open.
That's what they do in Europe.
We have spent 30 years flipping houses in a Ponzi scheme.


the dumbarse pollies kept telling us that we had to transition from manufacturing to services economy and the middle class chinaman would buy our services from us Cheesy LOL

all we got to sell them is our houses and education programs which ultimately they use to compete with us Sad


So true.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #38 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:31pm
 
FD,
Quote:
Who cares? You can now buy a $4 shirt from kmart, or a $40 one from a specialty store, or even a $400 one if you are that way inclined.
It is not for the government to decide for you.



For Freediver to ponder:

The EU makes heavy Tariffs on Australian exports.


https://nff.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/NFF_Factsheet_Australia-EU-FTA_202...



The Australia-EU trading relationship is Australia’s second largest, and the EU is
Australia’s second largest destination for goods exports. However, a trade deficit
of about $38 billion exists and
the EU’s barriers to agricultural imports are notoriously prohibitive.

The average EU tariff on agricultural imports is 14.2%. This is much higher than
the average tariff on non-agricultural products, which is just 4.2%. The EU
also maintains 142 tariff-rate quotas (TRQs) for agricultural products - a major
frustration for Australia’s exporters.
Dairy faces the highest average tariff, at 32.3%. Sugar and meat are not far behind,
at 27% and 19% respectively.
By some estimates, the EU’s agricultural imports
would be $31 billion (AUD) higher if these tariffs were eliminated. The opportunity
here for Australian farmers is significant.
In addition to these direct barriers to trade, the EU also maintains a complicated and
sizeable system of indirect barriers to trade, called the Common Agricultural Policy
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #39 - Jul 8th, 2023 at 7:52am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:27pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now.
Though not always.



I spoke to a few immigrants back in the early 80s.
When they arrived in Australia they could hardly speak English
but they could still earn a living in a factory and they enjoyed it.
It was a lot better than where they had come from in southern Europe.
Even 25 years or more after WW2 Europe was still devastated for many countries:
high unemployment, food rationing no prospects.
Even France still had food rationing in 1958 and so did England - I think?

The minimum wage here now is $23 an hour I think?
In India a University graduate would work for less than that!
It's hard to compete with 3rd world countries on wages.


We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs. All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.


you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad


The reason we cannot compete on salary in the various basket weaving industries is because so many people get paid so much in mining, oil and gas. And a lot of the rest are involved in industries that add far more value than working in a shoe factory. This is a good thing.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30923
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #40 - Jul 8th, 2023 at 12:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2023 at 7:52am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:27pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 6:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now.
Though not always.



I spoke to a few immigrants back in the early 80s.
When they arrived in Australia they could hardly speak English
but they could still earn a living in a factory and they enjoyed it.
It was a lot better than where they had come from in southern Europe.
Even 25 years or more after WW2 Europe was still devastated for many countries:
high unemployment, food rationing no prospects.
Even France still had food rationing in 1958 and so did England - I think?

The minimum wage here now is $23 an hour I think?
In India a University graduate would work for less than that!
It's hard to compete with 3rd world countries on wages.


We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs. All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.


you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad


The reason we cannot compete on salary in the various basket weaving industries is because so many people get paid so much in mining, oil and gas. And a lot of the rest are involved in industries that add far more value than working in a shoe factory. This is a good thing.


i am not talking about basket weaving industries. I am talking about high value add industries and you don't even want to do that simply because it's so much easier to flip houses using lots of debt and generous tax concessions Sad

This is what happens when you don't have value add industries or a pile of minerals you can dig out of the ground. Houses alone will not save you !!


Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 8th, 2023 at 12:53pm by Sir lastnail »  

"If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region..." - Benjamin Netanyahu in 1995
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #41 - Jul 8th, 2023 at 1:18pm
 
Quote:
i am not talking about basket weaving industries. I am talking about high value add industries


Would you like to tell us what industries you are talking about?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #42 - Jul 8th, 2023 at 1:33pm
 
Dear FD,
did you read my Reply #38   ?

The EU protects their industries.
Do we do the same in Australia -
fighting for every job and every business?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30923
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #43 - Jul 8th, 2023 at 1:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
Dear FD,
did you read my Reply #38   ?

The EU protects their industries.
Do we do the same in Australia -
fighting for every job and every business?


That's what they do here. They paid rent-a-job from detroit and japan billions whilst completely side lining a local EV manufacturer Sad

Electric car maker angry over import deal

https://www.smh.com.au/national/electric-car-maker-angry-over-import-deal-201007...
Back to top
 

"If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region..." - Benjamin Netanyahu in 1995
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #44 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 7:36am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
Dear FD,
did you read my Reply #38   ?

The EU protects their industries.
Do we do the same in Australia -
fighting for every job and every business?


An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind Bobby.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #45 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 7:39am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 7:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
Dear FD,
did you read my Reply #38   ?

The EU protects their industries.
Do we do the same in Australia -
fighting for every job and every business?


An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind Bobby.



But you said -
Quote:
It is not for the government to decide for you.


The Govt. of the EU increases the price of our goods in Europe -
they decide for their people.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #46 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 8:10am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 7:39am:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 7:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
Dear FD,
did you read my Reply #38   ?

The EU protects their industries.
Do we do the same in Australia -
fighting for every job and every business?


An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind Bobby.



But you said -
Quote:
It is not for the government to decide for you.


The Govt. of the EU increases the price of our goods in Europe -
they decide for their people.


And you think that is a good idea?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #47 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 8:23am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 8:10am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 7:39am:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 7:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
Dear FD,
did you read my Reply #38   ?

The EU protects their industries.
Do we do the same in Australia -
fighting for every job and every business?


An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind Bobby.



But you said -
Quote:
It is not for the government to decide for you.


The Govt. of the EU increases the price of our goods in Europe -
they decide for their people.


And you think that is a good idea?



yes - if it keeps people employed here -

remember - it's not a level playing field - it's unfair.
How can we compete with countries that pay
a bowl of rice per day as wages and have no health and safety conditions?

Chinese safety shoes - a pair of thongs.   Roll Eyes
Child slave labor -
children sleeping in factories -
with the few pennies they make sent back
to their starving families to buy another bowl of rice.




Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #48 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 8:45am
 
If everyone puts up barriers to trade, everyone will suffer the consequences.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #49 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 9:16am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 8:45am:
If everyone puts up barriers to trade, everyone will suffer the consequences.



Just as Europeans suffer by paying more than they have to
for all their dairy products?
We're not allowed to dump our dairy products in Europe as it
would put their farmers out of business.
We're more efficient and productive than the Europeans.

By the way -
the Chinese have been known to sell steel and other products at a loss
in order to put overseas businesses out of business.
The USA and other countries have anti-dumping laws
otherwise their own businesses would have gone bankrupt and then the
Chinese would have put up their prices to recoup their money
and have a monopoly.
It's a trade war going on out there - it's brutal -
and in Australia we now have an industrial graveyard.


Small business died when he was in office -
he left an industrial graveyard:



Jump to 3:42

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30923
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #50 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 9:49am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 8:10am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 7:39am:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 7:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
Dear FD,
did you read my Reply #38   ?

The EU protects their industries.
Do we do the same in Australia -
fighting for every job and every business?


An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind Bobby.



But you said -
Quote:
It is not for the government to decide for you.


The Govt. of the EU increases the price of our goods in Europe -
they decide for their people.


And you think that is a good idea?


The chinks do it all of the time. What are you talking about ??


Back to top
 

"If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region..." - Benjamin Netanyahu in 1995
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #51 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 11:17am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 9:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 8:10am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 7:39am:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 7:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
Dear FD,
did you read my Reply #38   ?

The EU protects their industries.
Do we do the same in Australia -
fighting for every job and every business?


An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind Bobby.



But you said -
Quote:
It is not for the government to decide for you.


The Govt. of the EU increases the price of our goods in Europe -
they decide for their people.


And you think that is a good idea?


The chinks do it all of the time. What are you talking about ??




Yes good example. They blocked our coal imports. And their lights went out.

Does that sound like a good idea to you?

Do you want to go back to paying at least $40 for a decent Tshirt so we can have a few local 'surf' brands?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #52 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 2:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 11:17am:
Yes good example. They blocked our coal imports. And their lights went out.

Does that sound like a good idea to you?

Do you want to go back to paying at least $40 for a decent Tshirt so we can have a few local 'surf' brands?



Keating about Howard,
Quote:
Small business died when he was in office -
he left an industrial graveyard -
industrial archaeology in his wake -
it was basically the old anvil industries of the pre-war years -
he was still -
they were watching them close in Alexandria and all the industrial areas across Australia.


Jump to 3:42


Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm by Bobby. »  
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #53 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 2:24pm
 
Do you have a point Bobby?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #54 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 2:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 2:24pm:
Do you have a point Bobby?



yes -

The USA and other countries have anti-dumping laws
otherwise their own businesses would have gone bankrupt and then the
Chinese would have put up their prices to recoup their money
and have a monopoly.
It's a trade war going on out there - it's brutal -
and in Australia we now have an industrial graveyard.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #55 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 3:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 2:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 2:24pm:
Do you have a point Bobby?



yes -

The USA and other countries have anti-dumping laws
otherwise their own businesses would have gone bankrupt and then the
Chinese would have put up their prices to recoup their money
and have a monopoly.
It's a trade war going on out there - it's brutal -
and in Australia we now have an industrial graveyard.


Not because of any trade war. Because mining, oil, gas etc are pushing up salaries.

It tends to be farming that is given the heaviest protection. I suspect because single member electorates tend to give farmers a more coordinated political voice. Australia has been one of the worst offenders in that regard.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #56 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 3:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 3:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 2:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 2:24pm:
Do you have a point Bobby?



yes -

The USA and other countries have anti-dumping laws
otherwise their own businesses would have gone bankrupt and then the
Chinese would have put up their prices to recoup their money
and have a monopoly.
It's a trade war going on out there - it's brutal -
and in Australia we now have an industrial graveyard.


Not because of any trade war. Because mining, oil, gas etc are pushing up salaries.

It tends to be farming that is given the heaviest protection.
I suspect because single member electorates tend to give farmers a more coordinated political voice.
Australia has been one of the worst offenders in that regard.



I can't follow you.
Farmers in Australia or Europe?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #57 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:10pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 3:49pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 3:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 2:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 2:24pm:
Do you have a point Bobby?



yes -

The USA and other countries have anti-dumping laws
otherwise their own businesses would have gone bankrupt and then the
Chinese would have put up their prices to recoup their money
and have a monopoly.
It's a trade war going on out there - it's brutal -
and in Australia we now have an industrial graveyard.


Not because of any trade war. Because mining, oil, gas etc are pushing up salaries.

It tends to be farming that is given the heaviest protection.
I suspect because single member electorates tend to give farmers a more coordinated political voice.
Australia has been one of the worst offenders in that regard.



I can't follow you.
Farmers in Australia or Europe?


Australia. Europe. The United States. Probably any country where farmers are allowed to have an opinion.

This is why we have free trade agreements. Otherwise these "trade wars" would grind the global economy to a halt.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120144
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #58 - Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:10pm:
Australia. Europe. The United States. Probably any country where farmers are allowed to have an opinion.

This is why we have free trade agreements. Otherwise these "trade wars" would grind the global economy to a halt.



Well - our highest tariff on European cheese and dairy is 5% -
most of it is free of tariffs.
https://www.abf.gov.au/importing-exporting-and-manufacturing/tariff-classificati...


But the Europeans charge 32% tariffs on our dairy products.
My Reply #38 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 9:31pm

Once again we get an unfair deal.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 
Send Topic Print