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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120195 Melbourne Gender:	Re: China won't export 2 key minerals: Reply #30 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:33pm freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:27pm: We could never compete. Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs. All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes. But were the Australian shoes and other products of higher quality?
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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #31 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 8:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:33pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs.
All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.

But were the Australian shoes and other products of higher quality?

Who cares? You can now buy a $4 shirt from kmart, or a $40 one from a specialty store, or even a $400 one if you are that way inclined. It is not for the government to decide for you.

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: China won't export 2 key minerals: Reply #32 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 8:42pm I once bought a good pair of casual trousers from Kmart for $2 ... they had the wrong bar code, the real cost was about $30, Kmart had to sell them for $2, and that's what I got them for I'll bet there's frantic attempts to find rare earth minerals in Australia
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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #33 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:09pm

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 8:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:33pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs.
All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.

But were the Australian shoes and other products of higher quality?

Who cares? You can now buy a $4 shirt from kmart, or a $40 one from a specialty store, or even a $400 one if you are that way inclined. It is not for the government to decide for you.

Tell the EU that.
They make it their business to protect their industries and their jobs.
Australia allowed their industries to turn into an industrial graveyard.

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #34 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:14pm

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now.
Though not always.

I spoke to a few immigrants back in the early 80s.
When they arrived in Australia they could hardly speak English
but they could still earn a living in a factory and they enjoyed it.
It was a lot better than where they had come from in southern Europe.
Even 25 years or more after WW2 Europe was still devastated for many countries:
high unemployment, food rationing no prospects.
Even France still had food rationing in 1958 and so did England - I think?

The minimum wage here now is $23 an hour I think?
In India a University graduate would work for less than that!
It's hard to compete with 3rd world countries on wages.

We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs. All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.

you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #35 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:16pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:14pm:

you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad

Hi sir Nail,
the politicians should have been out there fighting for every job -
for every business to stay open.
That's what they do in Europe.
We have spent 30 years flipping houses in a Ponzi scheme.

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #36 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:19pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:14pm:

you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad

Hi sir Nail,
the politicians should have been out there fighting for every job -
for every business to stay open.
That's what they do in Europe.
We have spent 30 years flipping houses in a Ponzi scheme.

the dumbarse pollies kept telling us that we had to transition from manufacturing to services economy and the middle class chinaman would buy our services from us Cheesy

LOL

all we got to sell them is our houses and education programs which ultimately they use to compete with us Sad

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #37 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:29pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:14pm:

you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad

Hi sir Nail,
the politicians should have been out there fighting for every job -
for every business to stay open.
That's what they do in Europe.
We have spent 30 years flipping houses in a Ponzi scheme.

the dumbarse pollies kept telling us that we had to transition from manufacturing to services economy and the middle class chinaman would buy our services from us Cheesy

LOL

all we got to sell them is our houses and education programs which ultimately they use to compete with us Sad

So true.

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #38 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:31pm

FD,
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Who cares? You can now buy a $4 shirt from kmart, or a $40 one from a specialty store, or even a $400 one if you are that way inclined.
It is not for the government to decide for you.

For Freediver to ponder:

The EU makes heavy Tariffs on Australian exports.

https://nff.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/NFF_Factsheet_Australia-EU-FTA_202...

The Australia-EU trading relationship is Australia’s second largest, and the EU is
Australia’s second largest destination for goods exports. However, a trade deficit
of about $38 billion exists and
the EU’s barriers to agricultural imports are notoriously prohibitive.

The average EU tariff on agricultural imports is 14.2%. This is much higher than
the average tariff on non-agricultural products, which is just 4.2%. The EU
also maintains 142 tariff-rate quotas (TRQs) for agricultural products - a major
frustration for Australia’s exporters.
Dairy faces the highest average tariff, at 32.3%. Sugar and meat are not far behind,
at 27% and 19% respectively. By some estimates, the EU’s agricultural imports
would be $31 billion (AUD) higher if these tariffs were eliminated. The opportunity
here for Australian farmers is significant.
In addition to these direct barriers to trade, the EU also maintains a complicated and
sizeable system of indirect barriers to trade, called the Common Agricultural Policy

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #39 - Jul 8^th, 2023 at 7:52am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:14pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now.
Though not always.

I spoke to a few immigrants back in the early 80s.
When they arrived in Australia they could hardly speak English
but they could still earn a living in a factory and they enjoyed it.
It was a lot better than where they had come from in southern Europe.
Even 25 years or more after WW2 Europe was still devastated for many countries:
high unemployment, food rationing no prospects.
Even France still had food rationing in 1958 and so did England - I think?

The minimum wage here now is $23 an hour I think?
In India a University graduate would work for less than that!
It's hard to compete with 3rd world countries on wages.

We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs. All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.

you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad

The reason we cannot compete on salary in the various basket weaving industries is because so many people get paid so much in mining, oil and gas. And a lot of the rest are involved in industries that add far more value than working in a shoe factory. This is a good thing.

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #40 - Jul 8^th, 2023 at 12:47pm

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2023 at 7:52am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:14pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now.
Though not always.

I spoke to a few immigrants back in the early 80s.
When they arrived in Australia they could hardly speak English
but they could still earn a living in a factory and they enjoyed it.
It was a lot better than where they had come from in southern Europe.
Even 25 years or more after WW2 Europe was still devastated for many countries:
high unemployment, food rationing no prospects.
Even France still had food rationing in 1958 and so did England - I think?

The minimum wage here now is $23 an hour I think?
In India a University graduate would work for less than that!
It's hard to compete with 3rd world countries on wages.

We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs. All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.

you could easily compete on high value add goods but instead you prefer to flip houses and import everything else. This is the fault of the government with a criminal tax evasion scheme that favours flipping houses and nothing else Sad

The reason we cannot compete on salary in the various basket weaving industries is because so many people get paid so much in mining, oil and gas. And a lot of the rest are involved in industries that add far more value than working in a shoe factory. This is a good thing.

i am not talking about basket weaving industries. I am talking about high value add industries and you don't even want to do that simply because it's so much easier to flip houses using lots of debt and generous tax concessions Sad

This is what happens when you don't have value add industries or a pile of minerals you can dig out of the ground. Houses alone will not save you !!

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53196 At my desk.	Re: China won't export 2 key minerals: Reply #41 - Jul 8^th, 2023 at 1:18pm Quote: i am not talking about basket weaving industries. I am talking about high value add industries Would you like to tell us what industries you are talking about?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120195 Melbourne Gender:	Re: China won't export 2 key minerals: Reply #42 - Jul 8^th, 2023 at 1:33pm Dear FD, did you read my Reply #38 ? The EU protects their industries. Do we do the same in Australia - fighting for every job and every business?
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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #43 - Jul 8^th, 2023 at 1:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 8^th, 2023 at 1:33pm:

Dear FD,
did you read my Reply #38 ?

The EU protects their industries.
Do we do the same in Australia -
fighting for every job and every business?

That's what they do here. They paid rent-a-job from detroit and japan billions whilst completely side lining a local EV manufacturer Sad

Electric car maker angry over import deal

https://www.smh.com.au/national/electric-car-maker-angry-over-import-deal-201007...

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53196 At my desk.	Re: China won't export 2 key minerals: Reply #44 - Jul 9^th, 2023 at 7:36am Bobby. wrote on Jul 8^th, 2023 at 1:33pm: Dear FD, did you read my Reply #38 ? The EU protects their industries. Do we do the same in Australia - fighting for every job and every business? An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind Bobby.
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