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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: China won't export 2 key minerals: Reply #15 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:35am "Biden didn't see it coming." Says who?
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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #16 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:45am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 7:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

Super Nova wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 2:12pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 2:07pm:

Easy fix. We stop all exports to China. That will soon show them whose bitch they are.

Then we'll have no money. Cry

We should never have become dependent on just digging up our country or growing shite to export as raw material for other countries to add the real value for us to buy it back.

Time to get back to adding value to our raw materials and return to being a lucky country instead continuing down the path of a lazy stupid country.

Yes - I think only 5% of our economy is manufacturing. Shocked

Because Australian manufactured goods are uncompetitive in price and quality.

Australians can't afford Australian manufactured goods.

Australia can't even make bricks when they can be transported halfway around the world from other countries at a lower price than Australian bricks.

Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?

Yeah. Our days of glory.

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #17 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 8:30am

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?

Yeah. Our days of glory.

We made many things - but not anymore.
Melbourne used to be a place where unskilled workers could
get a decent paying job and raise a family.
Not anymore - all those jobs went offshore - to:
China, Malaysia, the Philippines & Vietnam etc.

We didn't replace any of it with value adding to our commodities -
we even stopped making steel and just exported iron ore.
The Chinese make the steel and a lot of it has impurities
such as Boron which makes it brittle and causes
bridge and building collapses.
I wonder if that's what caused this:
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1688252648

Bean counters running construction companies saved a few pennies
by using inferior Chinese products and now the whole world is paying a heavy price.

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #18 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:05am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 8:30am:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?

Yeah. Our days of glory.

We made many things - but not anymore.
Melbourne used to be a place where unskilled workers could
get a decent paying job and raise a family.
Not anymore - all those jobs went offshore - to:
China, Malaysia, the Philippines & Vietnam etc.

We didn't replace any of it with value adding to our commodities -
we even stopped making steel and just exported iron ore.
The Chinese make the steel and a lot of it has impurities
such as Boron which makes it brittle and causes
bridge and building collapses.
I wonder if that's what caused this:
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1688252648

Bean counters running construction companies saved a few pennies
by using inferior Chinese products and now the whole world is paying a heavy price.

Now replaced with a ponzi scheme flipping houses using more and more debt and a criminal tax evasion scheme Sad

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120144 Melbourne Gender:	Re: China won't export 2 key minerals: Reply #19 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:06am Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:05am: Now replaced with a ponzi scheme flipping houses using more and more debt and a criminal tax evasion scheme yes - the Govt. made it easier for business people to flip houses rather than invest in industry.
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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #20 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:09am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:06am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:05am:

Now replaced with a ponzi scheme flipping houses using more and more debt and a criminal tax evasion scheme Sad

yes - the Govt. made it easier for business people
to flip houses rather than invest in industry.

that's why they don't do anything useful here and have to import everything under the the sun to feed their so called overrated debt ladened service sector Cheesy

LOL

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #21 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:16am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:06am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 9:05am:

Now replaced with a ponzi scheme flipping houses using more and more debt and a criminal tax evasion scheme Sad

yes - the Govt. made it easier for business people
to flip houses rather than invest in industry.

that's why they don't do anything useful here and have to import everything under the the sun to feed their so called overrated debt ladened service sector Cheesy

LOL

China is really trying to bum chum us and the whole world
so will we be able to supply gallium and germanium now
or will it take years to develop the mines and processing?

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: China won't export 2 key minerals: Reply #22 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 11:26am What if China stops exporting to Australia and the only economic activity in Australia is flipping houses to gain from negative gearing?
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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #23 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 2:22pm

The horse has bolted in respect of manufacturing in Australia. It's nigh impossible to stimulate any growth in it. Factors acting against it include:

1. Relatively high labour costs

2. Australia's overall strong currency.

3.Global competition from low labour cost countries which also benefit from economies of scale that we can't develop.

4. Small domestic market preventing the development of economies of scale.

5. Geographic isolation. The transport costs of importing materials and exporting manufactures undermine out competitiveness.

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #24 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 2:39pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 7:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

Super Nova wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 2:12pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 2:07pm:

Easy fix. We stop all exports to China. That will soon show them whose bitch they are.

Then we'll have no money. Cry

We should never have become dependent on just digging up our country or growing shite to export as raw material for other countries to add the real value for us to buy it back.

Time to get back to adding value to our raw materials and return to being a lucky country instead continuing down the path of a lazy stupid country.

Yes - I think only 5% of our economy is manufacturing. Shocked

Because Australian manufactured goods are uncompetitive in price and quality.

Australians can't afford Australian manufactured goods.

Australia can't even make bricks when they can be transported halfway around the world from other countries at a lower price than Australian bricks.

Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?

It's the taxes and registration fees imposed on our manufacturing that caused this.

If we manufacture from our own materials and do not rely on OS goods, it costs us dearly.
If it's shipped here in parts and assembled here, cheap as chips.

Now who would do such a thing to us.
Hmm, I wonder... Roll Eyes

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #25 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 2:47pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 2:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?

It's the taxes and registration fees imposed on our manufacturing that caused this.

If we manufacture from our own materials and do not rely on OS goods, it costs us dearly.
If it's shipped here in parts and assembled here, cheap as chips.

Now who would do such a thing to us.
Hmm, I wonder... Roll Eyes

It's terrible - literally 10s of 1000s of businesses were closed down -
many were large profitable factories - when they couldn't compete
on the level playing field with China where
they paid a bowl of rice per day and had no health and safety regulations.

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #26 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 8:30am:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

Maybe?
Did you know that before about 1985 we used to make shoes in Australia?

Yeah. Our days of glory.

We made many things - but not anymore.
Melbourne used to be a place where unskilled workers could
get a decent paying job and raise a family.
Not anymore - all those jobs went offshore - to:
China, Malaysia, the Philippines & Vietnam etc.

We didn't replace any of it with value adding to our commodities -
we even stopped making steel and just exported iron ore.
The Chinese make the steel and a lot of it has impurities
such as Boron which makes it brittle and causes
bridge and building collapses.
I wonder if that's what caused this:
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1688252648

Bean counters running construction companies saved a few pennies
by using inferior Chinese products and now the whole world is paying a heavy price.

They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now. Though not always.

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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #27 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:18pm

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now.
Though not always.

I spoke to a few immigrants back in the early 80s.
When they arrived in Australia they could hardly speak English
but they could still earn a living in a factory and they enjoyed it.
It was a lot better than where they had come from in southern Europe.
Even 25 years or more after WW2 Europe was still devastated for many countries:
high unemployment, food rationing no prospects.
Even France still had food rationing in 1958 and so did England - I think?

The minimum wage here now is $23 an hour I think?
In India a University graduate would work for less than that!
It's hard to compete with 3rd world countries on wages.

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Super Nova Gold Member Offline Posts: 3085 Everywhere Gender:	Re: China won't export 2 key minerals: Reply #28 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:25pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 11:26am: What if China stops exporting to Australia and the only economic activity in Australia is flipping houses to gain from negative gearing? That what it looks like to me. However Australian are apparently the riches people in the world. Go figure.
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Re: China won't export 2 key minerals:
Reply #29 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

They could get a menial job because they were willing to work for a lot less than they are now.
Though not always.

I spoke to a few immigrants back in the early 80s.
When they arrived in Australia they could hardly speak English
but they could still earn a living in a factory and they enjoyed it.
It was a lot better than where they had come from in southern Europe.
Even 25 years or more after WW2 Europe was still devastated for many countries:
high unemployment, food rationing no prospects.
Even France still had food rationing in 1958 and so did England - I think?

The minimum wage here now is $23 an hour I think?
In India a University graduate would work for less than that!
It's hard to compete with 3rd world countries on wages.

We could never compete.

Shoemaking in Australia was protected by import tariffs. All those jobs were subsidised by the Australian public who had to pay far more for shoes and clothes.

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