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Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting.
Reply #75 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:34pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:26pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

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and water is purple

John also thinks it is not sexist to ban women from Mt Warning and Ayers Rock.

and the men that are banned FD? Are they banned because they are feminine too?

God you talk some crap

John you appear to be under the delusion that only women can be victims of sexism. I can't think of any other explanation for your strange comments.

you were the idiot who said women were banned for sexist reasons, not me Cheesy

Do you think it is sexist to ban women from Ayers Rock and Mt Warning?

Do you care whether the voice is racist?

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Reply #76 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:37pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:22pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:49am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you do not have the detail of what will happen with Constitutional change or even if you are unsure, it's your duty to vote no. The constitution is far too important to our democracy to just change on feel goods or emotional blackmail.

Unless everything is laid on the table, no we'll decide that after it passes, my vote will be no.

you have been told how it will happen. What part are you struggling with?

The part were all the detail will be after the vote and not before.

Sir, I have the shirt that you need!
What colour is it?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
What material is it made of?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
What size is it?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
Is it short sleeved or long?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
How much will it cost?

Would you buy the shirt? It'd be unAustralian not to, the shirt seller is a local business.

good way to avoid the answer choo choo Roll Eyes

Pretty sure you're either blind or suck at understanding the written word but I did answer, there was no avoidance.

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Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting.
Reply #77 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:39pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:22pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:49am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you do not have the detail of what will happen with Constitutional change or even if you are unsure, it's your duty to vote no. The constitution is far too important to our democracy to just change on feel goods or emotional blackmail.

Unless everything is laid on the table, no we'll decide that after it passes, my vote will be no.

you have been told how it will happen. What part are you struggling with?

The part were all the detail will be after the vote and not before.

Sir, I have the shirt that you need!
What colour is it?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
What material is it made of?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
What size is it?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
Is it short sleeved or long?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
How much will it cost?

Would you buy the shirt? It'd be unAustralian not to, the shirt seller is a local business.

good way to avoid the answer choo choo Roll Eyes

Pretty sure you're either blind or suck at understanding the written word but I did answer, there was no avoidance.

sure there was. Unless you want to argue that you want the size of your shirt included in the referendum Cheesy

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Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting.
Reply #78 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:39pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:26pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

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and water is purple

John also thinks it is not sexist to ban women from Mt Warning and Ayers Rock.

and the men that are banned FD? Are they banned because they are feminine too?

God you talk some crap

John you appear to be under the delusion that only women can be victims of sexism. I can't think of any other explanation for your strange comments.

you were the idiot who said women were banned for sexist reasons, not me Cheesy

Do you think it is sexist to ban women from Ayers Rock and Mt Warning?

Do you care whether the voice is racist?

Do you think it's racist to apply one set of rules to white people and another to aborigines FD?

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Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting.
Reply #79 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:45pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:39pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:26pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

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and water is purple

John also thinks it is not sexist to ban women from Mt Warning and Ayers Rock.

and the men that are banned FD? Are they banned because they are feminine too?

God you talk some crap

John you appear to be under the delusion that only women can be victims of sexism. I can't think of any other explanation for your strange comments.

you were the idiot who said women were banned for sexist reasons, not me Cheesy

Do you think it is sexist to ban women from Ayers Rock and Mt Warning?

Do you care whether the voice is racist?

Do you think it's racist to apply one set of rules to white people and another to aborigines FD?

Yes John. Do you?

Do you think it is sexist to ban women from Ayers Rock and Mt Warning?

Do you care whether the voice is racist?

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Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting.
Reply #80 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:48pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:45pm:

Yes John. Do you?

Really? So if this was the aborigines land before white man ever came, as was shown in the mabo decision, why do you not support their right to own their own land? Or to be compensated for that land they have lost?

you lie FD, you lie, and most of the time you're to stupid to even realise what you are saying.

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Reply #81 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:54pm

Probably the reasoning being that the indigenous people did indeed lose their lands by the 1920s. And by the 1940s, the United Nations had declared that those people born in their respective countries are now citizens of their land. The Mabo decision has no bearing on people who already were born here since the 1940s.

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Reply #82 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 1:02pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:45pm:

Yes John. Do you?

Really? So if this was the aborigines land before white man ever came, as was shown in the mabo decision, why do you not support their right to own their own land? Or to be compensated for that land they have lost?

you lie FD, you lie, and most of the time you're to stupid to even realise what you are saying.

Aborigines have the same right as every other Australian citizen to own land. Regardless of race.

Do you think it is sexist to ban women from Ayers Rock and Mt Warning?

Do you care whether the voice is racist?

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Reply #83 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 1:15pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:45pm:

Yes John. Do you?

Really? So if this was the aborigines land before white man ever came, as was shown in the mabo decision, why do you not support their right to own their own land? Or to be compensated for that land they have lost?

you lie FD, you lie, and most of the time you're to stupid to even realise what you are saying.

Aborigines have the same right as every other Australian citizen to own land. Regardless of race.

Do you think it is sexist to ban women from Ayers Rock and Mt Warning?

Do you care whether the voice is racist?

They only have the right after it was stolen from them. What if i stole your house then said you had a right to buy it back? Would that be ok fd?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting. Reply #84 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 1:16pm freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 1:02pm: Do you think it is sexist to ban women from Ayers Rock and Mt Warning? why don't you care about the men that are banned fd? are you sexist?
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Reply #85 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 1:27pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

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Essentially...the Voice has the potential to radically reshape Australia’s representative constitutional democracy. The Voice could operate like a third chamber of parliament and wield a veto power over the day-to-day functions of government and parliament.

...is just garbage. Hysterical conservative bullshit scaremongering lies is what that is.

It has no veto power, and never will have veto power. How many times must you be told that?

Ok so let me get this straight : You Aussie, a retired taxi cab driver will personally guarantee RIGHT NOW that the Voice and those behind its machinations will never have Veto power OR even function like it has Veto power on any level at any time? You feel you can firmly make that guarantee....yes?

Also...why are you struggling to address the other even more serious issues raised in my posts?

I can provide you with a zillion links just like this one, including one to the comments of a former High Court Judge. However, you can Google just as well as I can. Stop with the bullshit. It takes your credibility nowhere.

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Reply #86 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 1:34pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:29pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

This:

Quote:

Essentially...the Voice has the potential to radically reshape Australia’s representative constitutional democracy. The Voice could operate like a third chamber of parliament and wield a veto power over the day-to-day functions of government and parliament.

...is just garbage. Hysterical conservative bullshit scaremongering lies is what that is.

It has no veto power, and never will have veto power. How many times must you be told that?

Ok so let me get this straight : You Aussie, a retired taxi cab driver will personally guarantee RIGHT NOW that the Voice and those behind its machinations will never have Veto power OR even function like it has Veto power on any level at any time? You feel you can firmly make that guarantee....yes?

Also...why are you struggling to address the other even more serious issues raised in my posts?

Aussie???? These serious issues 👇

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:31am:

Paragraph 3 of what?

Show us exactly what you’ve got so the rest of us can see (what you THINK you know).

Could you possibly be referring to this??? 👇

Chapter III provides for the creation of federal courts, including the High Court of Australia, which is the final court of appeal. The High Court can interpret the law and settle disputes about the Constitution.

If so then that absolutely and totally supports my earlier post which you so kindly highlighted:

Also there is the RISK that a future High Court could place an interpretation on the Voice which goes even beyond the current expectations of the Government.

I’ve noticed you’ve gone all silent Issue Voter.

Oh well never mind. I guess I ought to thank you for helping me to illustrate and prove the obscure and therefore hazardous ramifications of such a Constitutional change.

Cheers

Fuq me, there are some stupid comments about this. There is nothing in the Constitution which is beyond a risk that it will go to the High Court and be given an interpretation. You say it as though, in some Eureka moment, you have just invented the wheel. It is trite, banal, 101 crap. Christ, even the Ruskies can go to the High Court and challenge legislation turfing them off some ACT land.

That is what the High Court is there for.

However, as to what it might find....there is NO WAY it will be able to go beyond the comments made during the second reading of the Act just passed. That is what it MUST have regard to and is bound by. That reading made very very clear just how extremely limited this Voice can be. It is...for the last fuqqing time......tokenism.

FFS!

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Reply #88 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 3:12pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:06am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:00am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:13am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 5:37am:

Has anyone at all stated anywhere on this forum that they will be voting yes? I wonder if Buzz intended his thread title to be ironic.

I have and I will be. I am not afraid of the boogeyman. You suppressors can have it all to yourself.

An ex-lawyer who thinks alterations to the constitution based on race is a good idea? Roll Eyes

Why is that? .... virtue signaling to some one?

I'm still a Lawyer, and yes, I think providing this recognition to the those we dispossessed is a good idea. What are you afraid of? Tell me.

Do you think it is racist Aussie?

I don't give a flying fuq if it is....all I am endorsing is Constitutional recognition in a tokenistic manner of the fact that we dispossessed the people who will get that recognition.

Apart from it being (if it is) racist Effendi, what is your problem with that tokenism?

Thanks Aussie. This is interesting. The only person I know of willing to admit that they will be voting yes is also the only person who is willing to admit they do not care if it is racist.

If that's the case, you are leading a cocooned and a sheltered life Effendi. Talking to fish as you free dive, or morons who want to clamber high rocks is not gonna be helpful, ya know. Fish know SFA........maybe it IS the company you keep, eh?

Have you yet discovered what noise that salt water thing makes?

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Reply #89 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 3:16pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 1:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:45pm:

Yes John. Do you?

Really? So if this was the aborigines land before white man ever came, as was shown in the mabo decision, why do you not support their right to own their own land? Or to be compensated for that land they have lost?

you lie FD, you lie, and most of the time you're to stupid to even realise what you are saying.

Aborigines have the same right as every other Australian citizen to own land. Regardless of race.

Do you think it is sexist to ban women from Ayers Rock and Mt Warning?

Do you care whether the voice is racist?

They only have the right after it was stolen from them. What if i stole your house then said you had a right to buy it back? Would that be ok fd?

If your ancestors did it generations ago, I would not try to hold you accountable, on the basis of your racial identity. That is not the same thing as saying it is OK. That is saying we should not repeat it.

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If that's the case, you are leading a cocooned and a sheltered life Effendi. Talking to fish as you free dive, or morons who want to clamber high rocks is not gonna be helpful, ya know. Fish know SFA........maybe it IS the company you keep, eh?

I am surrounded by people who like to pretend they support it, but are afraid to actually take a stand.

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