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Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting.
Reply #60 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:49am

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you do not have the detail of what will happen with Constitutional change or even if you are unsure, it's your duty to vote no. The constitution is far too important to our democracy to just change on feel goods or emotional blackmail.

Unless everything is laid on the table, no we'll decide that after it passes, my vote will be no.

you have been told how it will happen. What part are you struggling with?

The part were all the detail will be after the vote and not before.

Sir, I have the shirt that you need!
What colour is it?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
What material is it made of?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
What size is it?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
Is it short sleeved or long?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
How much will it cost?

Would you buy the shirt? It'd be unAustralian not to, the shirt seller is a local business.

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Reply #61 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:58am

Setanta? Aussie? Issuevoter?

Any last comments about why and how ambiguity is such a risk if we vote yes?

Also could we just ignore the Five Foot Five Frodo uneducated dumbarse nong .... who has proven time and again that he has no idea about anything AND who jumps up and down like a clown 🤡 effectively derailing an otherwise decent discussion with vague sweeping brief denigrating statements which effectively serve to smear abuse?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:31am:

Paragraph 3 of what?

Show us exactly what you’ve got so the rest of us can see (what you THINK you know).

Could you possibly be referring to this??? 👇

Chapter III provides for the creation of federal courts, including the High Court of Australia, which is the final court of appeal. The High Court can interpret the law and settle disputes about the Constitution.

If so then that absolutely and totally supports my earlier post which you so kindly highlighted:

Also there is the RISK that a future High Court could place an interpretation on the Voice which goes even beyond the current expectations of the Government.

I’ve noticed you’ve gone all silent Issue Voter.

Oh well never mind. I guess I ought to thank you for helping me to illustrate and prove the obscure and therefore hazardous ramifications of such a Constitutional change.

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Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting.
Reply #62 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:01pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:06am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:00am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:13am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 5:37am:

Has anyone at all stated anywhere on this forum that they will be voting yes? I wonder if Buzz intended his thread title to be ironic.

I have and I will be. I am not afraid of the boogeyman. You suppressors can have it all to yourself.

An ex-lawyer who thinks alterations to the constitution based on race is a good idea? Roll Eyes

Why is that? .... virtue signaling to some one?

I'm still a Lawyer, and yes, I think providing this recognition to the those we dispossessed is a good idea. What are you afraid of? Tell me.

Do you think it is racist Aussie?

I don't give a flying fuq if it is....all I am endorsing is Constitutional recognition in a tokenistic manner of the fact that we dispossessed the people who will get that recognition.

Apart from it being (if it is) racist Effendi, what is your problem with that tokenism?

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Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting.
Reply #63 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:04pm

This:

Quote:

Essentially...the Voice has the potential to radically reshape Australia’s representative constitutional democracy. The Voice could operate like a third chamber of parliament and wield a veto power over the day-to-day functions of government and parliament.

...is just garbage. Hysterical conservative bullshit scaremongering lies is what that is.

It has no veto power, and never will have veto power. How many times must you be told that?

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Reply #64 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:06pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:06am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:00am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:13am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 5:37am:

Has anyone at all stated anywhere on this forum that they will be voting yes? I wonder if Buzz intended his thread title to be ironic.

I have and I will be. I am not afraid of the boogeyman. You suppressors can have it all to yourself.

An ex-lawyer who thinks alterations to the constitution based on race is a good idea? Roll Eyes

Why is that? .... virtue signaling to some one?

I'm still a Lawyer, and yes, I think providing this recognition to the those we dispossessed is a good idea. What are you afraid of? Tell me.

Do you think it is racist Aussie?

I don't give a flying fuq if it is...

I’ll just leave it there.

Aussie is obviously not thinking straight this morning AND he is struggling with the other posts in this topic which have highlighted serious concerns about the yes vote.

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Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting.
Reply #65 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:07pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:06am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:00am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:13am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 5:37am:

Has anyone at all stated anywhere on this forum that they will be voting yes? I wonder if Buzz intended his thread title to be ironic.

I have and I will be. I am not afraid of the boogeyman. You suppressors can have it all to yourself.

An ex-lawyer who thinks alterations to the constitution based on race is a good idea? Roll Eyes

Why is that? .... virtue signaling to some one?

I'm still a Lawyer, and yes, I think providing this recognition to the those we dispossessed is a good idea. What are you afraid of? Tell me.

Do you think it is racist Aussie?

I don't give a flying fuq if it is....all I am endorsing is Constitutional recognition in a tokenistic manner of the fact that we dispossessed the people who will get that recognition.

Apart from it being (if it is) racist Effendi, what is your problem with that tokenism?

Thanks Aussie. This is interesting. The only person I know of willing to admit that they will be voting yes is also the only person who is willing to admit they do not care if it is racist.

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Reply #66 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:14pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

This:

Quote:

Essentially...the Voice has the potential to radically reshape Australia’s representative constitutional democracy. The Voice could operate like a third chamber of parliament and wield a veto power over the day-to-day functions of government and parliament.

...is just garbage. Hysterical conservative bullshit scaremongering lies is what that is.

It has no veto power, and never will have veto power. How many times must you be told that?

Ok so let me get this straight : You Aussie, a retired taxi cab driver will personally guarantee RIGHT NOW that the Voice and those behind its machinations will never have Veto power OR even function like it has Veto power on any level at any time? You feel you can firmly make that guarantee....yes?

Also...why are you struggling to address the other even more serious issues raised in my posts?

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Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting.
Reply #67 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:22pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:49am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you do not have the detail of what will happen with Constitutional change or even if you are unsure, it's your duty to vote no. The constitution is far too important to our democracy to just change on feel goods or emotional blackmail.

Unless everything is laid on the table, no we'll decide that after it passes, my vote will be no.

you have been told how it will happen. What part are you struggling with?

The part were all the detail will be after the vote and not before.

Sir, I have the shirt that you need!
What colour is it?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
What material is it made of?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
What size is it?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
Is it short sleeved or long?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
How much will it cost?

Would you buy the shirt? It'd be unAustralian not to, the shirt seller is a local business.

good way to avoid the answer choo choo Roll Eyes

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Reply #70 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:24pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

Quote:

and water is purple

John also thinks it is not sexist to ban women from Mt Warning and Ayers Rock.

and the men that are banned FD? Are they banned because they are feminine too?

God you talk some crap

John you appear to be under the delusion that only women can be victims of sexism. I can't think of any other explanation for your strange comments.

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Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting.
Reply #71 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:25pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:49am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you do not have the detail of what will happen with Constitutional change or even if you are unsure, it's your duty to vote no. The constitution is far too important to our democracy to just change on feel goods or emotional blackmail.

Unless everything is laid on the table, no we'll decide that after it passes, my vote will be no.

you have been told how it will happen. What part are you struggling with?

The part were all the detail will be after the vote and not before.

Sir, I have the shirt that you need!
What colour is it?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
What material is it made of?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
What size is it?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
Is it short sleeved or long?
I'll tell you after you buy it!
How much will it cost?

Would you buy the shirt? It'd be unAustralian not to, the shirt seller is a local business.

no, you are being asked of you want a shirt. It's that simple

The colour and cut of the shirt will be decided later.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #72 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:26pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

Quote:

and water is purple

John also thinks it is not sexist to ban women from Mt Warning and Ayers Rock.

and the men that are banned FD? Are they banned because they are feminine too?

God you talk some crap

John you appear to be under the delusion that only women can be victims of sexism. I can't think of any other explanation for your strange comments.

you were the idiot who said women were banned for sexist reasons, not me Cheesy

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Reply #73 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:27pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

Quote:

and water is purple

John also thinks it is not sexist to ban women from Mt Warning and Ayers Rock.

and the men that are banned FD? Are they banned because they are feminine too?

God you talk some crap

John you appear to be under the delusion that only women can be victims of sexism. I can't think of any other explanation for your strange comments.

No education but lots of drug abuse go a long way to explain Frodo’s “strange” comments and delusions. Roll Eyes

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Reply #74 - Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:29pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

This:

Quote:

Essentially...the Voice has the potential to radically reshape Australia’s representative constitutional democracy. The Voice could operate like a third chamber of parliament and wield a veto power over the day-to-day functions of government and parliament.

...is just garbage. Hysterical conservative bullshit scaremongering lies is what that is.

It has no veto power, and never will have veto power. How many times must you be told that?

Ok so let me get this straight : You Aussie, a retired taxi cab driver will personally guarantee RIGHT NOW that the Voice and those behind its machinations will never have Veto power OR even function like it has Veto power on any level at any time? You feel you can firmly make that guarantee....yes?

Also...why are you struggling to address the other even more serious issues raised in my posts?

Aussie???? These serious issues 👇

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 11:31am:

Paragraph 3 of what?

Show us exactly what you’ve got so the rest of us can see (what you THINK you know).

Could you possibly be referring to this??? 👇

Chapter III provides for the creation of federal courts, including the High Court of Australia, which is the final court of appeal. The High Court can interpret the law and settle disputes about the Constitution.

If so then that absolutely and totally supports my earlier post which you so kindly highlighted:

Also there is the RISK that a future High Court could place an interpretation on the Voice which goes even beyond the current expectations of the Government.

I’ve noticed you’ve gone all silent Issue Voter.

Oh well never mind. I guess I ought to thank you for helping me to illustrate and prove the obscure and therefore hazardous ramifications of such a Constitutional change.

Cheers

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