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Reply #285 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:50pm

It elevates the boong nowhere, you idiot.

I reckon you might benefit from this. A military bloke I know pretty well had a military lawyer give him advice on a matter. The bloke ignored the lawyer and the lawyer got all uppity.

The bloke told the lawyer that he was there to give advice....nothing else, especially decision making capacity.

The lawyer limped off as he had zero capacity other than to send smoke signals which might be ignored by the person charged with decision making.

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Reply #286 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:55pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:50pm:

It elevates the boong nowhere, you idiot.

I reckon you might benefit from this. A military bloke I know pretty well had a military lawyer give him advice on a matter. The bloke ignored the lawyer and the lawyer got all uppity.

The bloke told the lawyer that he was there to give advice....nothing else, especially decision making capacity.

The lawyer limped off as he had zero capacity other than to send smoke signals which might be ignored by the person charged with decision making.

Which, of course, wouldn't have been the case if said lawyer had recourse to the High Court because his advice was constitutionally enshrined.

You are thick and dishonest in equal measure. Plus inebriated.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting. Reply #287 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:57pm There is no recourse to the courts you dumbarse. The Voice is advisory only. Govt is not bound to its decisions no matter how much you pretend otherwise
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Reply #288 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:00pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:50pm:

It elevates the boong nowhere, you idiot.

I reckon you might benefit from this. A military bloke I know pretty well had a military lawyer give him advice on a matter. The bloke ignored the lawyer and the lawyer got all uppity.

The bloke told the lawyer that he was there to give advice....nothing else, especially decision making capacity.

The lawyer limped off as he had zero capacity other than to send smoke signals which might be ignored by the person charged with decision making.

Which, of course, wouldn't have been the case if said lawyer had recourse to the High Court because his advice was constitutionally enshrined.

You are thick and dishonest in equal measure. Plus inebriated.

Do you know anything about the relevance the High Court must give to speeches in Parliament on the second reading of a Bill?

FYI...the only reason I am engaging with you is to demonstrate to other readers how ignorant and ill-informed you are on this matter. I know that you will vote no, no matter what. I am hoping others might see, by your example, just how bigotry works.

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Reply #289 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:00pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 4:04pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 2:50pm:

I don’t know but it sounds as though there’s some personal connection going on here. God I hope he isn’t foolishly relying on some vague Ancestry DNA result.

Especially if he is using the free version of ancestry.com.au

I could imagine Aussie putting in his details. Then the program spits out "You are an aborigine. You are free to shout 'Gibs me dat'".

😂🤣😆

I reckon we’ve worked out Aussie’s ulterior master plan. He is going to use that fake Ancestry report and stick it through someone’s Voice box in order to walk away with $$$$.

Damn we’re good at figuring out this sort of stuff 😂🤣😆

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Reply #290 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:01pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:50pm:

It elevates the boong nowhere, you idiot.

I reckon you might benefit from this. A military bloke I know pretty well had a military lawyer give him advice on a matter. The bloke ignored the lawyer and the lawyer got all uppity.

The bloke told the lawyer that he was there to give advice....nothing else, especially decision making capacity.

The lawyer limped off as he had zero capacity other than to send smoke signals which might be ignored by the person charged with decision making.

Which, of course, wouldn't have been the case if said lawyer had recourse to the High Court because his advice was constitutionally enshrined.

You are thick and dishonest in equal measure. Plus inebriated.

Do you know anything about the relevance the High Court must give to speeches in Parliament on the second reading of a Bill?

FYI...the only reason I am engaging with you is to demonstrate to other readers how ignorant and ill-informed you are on this matter. I know that you will vote no, no matter what. I am hoping others might see, by your example, just how bigotry works.

Aussie’s lost his marbles 😂🤣😆

Thomas Mayo is one of the architects of the Voice referendum proposal and signatory of the Uluru Statement. These are HIS OWN words ffs!

We are sick of governments not listening to our voice. We’re going to use the rule book of the nation to force them. There is nothing more powerful than building a First Nations’ voice, a black institution – a black political force to be reckoned with”.

– We will “keep going until we change the system, until we tear down the institutions that harm our people”.

– “We also pay our respects to the elders of the Communist Party, who I think, without a doubt, have played a very important role in our activism”.

– “You know this is the first step. It’s a vital step. Pay the rent, for example. You know, how do we do that in a way that is transparent and that it actually sees reparations and compensation to aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people”.

– “The power in the voice is that it creates the ability for First Nations to go forth with coherent positions on what legislation needs to be created; what legislation needs to be amended and punish politicians that ignore our advice”.

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Reply #291 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:05pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 7:37pm:

Tell me...what is the question you will be asked to answer in the Referendum with a yes/no?

To assist you...here:

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The question to be put to the Australian people at the 2023 referendum will be: "A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

Do you see the word 'recognise' in there Sore End?

Hang on ... did YOU see the word “recognise” Aussie?

After you’ve seen that word by all means please explain why that word is even there. At present do we not recognise the first people of Australia?

It's all just a cover behind which other things are moved - there is zero need to recognise the obvious, but Albo has tied it to some voice idea that will exercise and develop power and control over the way things are done here, same as the Waitangi Tribunal got away with growing power over the years by endless activism and lawfare.

Best to never once open that door.

Albo's tying the voice to recognition as first settlers is the big lie here.

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Reply #292 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:08pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 7:37pm:

Tell me...what is the question you will be asked to answer in the Referendum with a yes/no?

To assist you...here:

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The question to be put to the Australian people at the 2023 referendum will be: "A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

Do you see the word 'recognise' in there Sore End?

Hang on ... did YOU see the word “recognise” Aussie?

After you’ve seen that word by all means please explain why that word is even there. At present do we not recognise the first people of Australia?

It's all just a cover behind which other things are moved - there is zero need to recognise the obvious, but Albo has tied it to some voice idea that will exercise and develop power and control over the way things are done here, same as the Waitangi Tribunal got away with growing power over the years by endless activism and lawfare.

Best to never once open that door.

Absolutely spot on!

https://ipa.org.au/ipa-today/the-new-zealand-maori-voice-to-parliament-and-what-
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👆 Essentially...the Voice has the potential to radically reshape Australia’s representative constitutional democracy. The Voice could operate like a third chamber of parliament and wield a veto power over the day-to-day functions of government and parliament.

This is not only incompatible with Australia’s legal and political heritage, but inconsistent with Australia’s preference for a race-blind constitution. This was a point that was most clearly expressed at the 1967 referendum, where 91 per cent of Australian electors chose to remove from the Australian Constitution two divisive references to race.

The parliament, being open for participation to all Australians, remains the best institution to represent all Australians.

Bottom line? This referendum is a waste of time AND a waste of billions of dollars which Australia doesn’t even bloody have and needs to borrow!

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Reply #293 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:08pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 7:37pm:

Tell me...what is the question you will be asked to answer in the Referendum with a yes/no?

To assist you...here:

Quote:

The question to be put to the Australian people at the 2023 referendum will be: "A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

Do you see the word 'recognise' in there Sore End?

Again - that is not recognition.... that is establishing separate powers and rights in the constitution.... the wording is the lie.

The recognition referendum should simply ask that question....

Albo is lying to us all, and only a lunatic would vote for such an open-ended and false proposal with far too much wriggle room in it.

If recognition relies on a voice being passed - there will be no recognition.

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Reply #294 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:17pm

So after the Referendum has come and gone and we’ve wasted a billion dollars (which we will need to borrow) only to find it hasn’t succeeded....what’s Aussie going to do? Nothing is my guess. Oh ok he’ll spit the dummy a few times like a cry baby or read over this topic with a box of tissues as he cries his guts out over each of our posts 😂🤣😆

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Reply #295 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:23pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:50pm:

It elevates the boong nowhere, you idiot.

I reckon you might benefit from this. A military bloke I know pretty well had a military lawyer give him advice on a matter. The bloke ignored the lawyer and the lawyer got all uppity.

The bloke told the lawyer that he was there to give advice....nothing else, especially decision making capacity.

The lawyer limped off as he had zero capacity other than to send smoke signals which might be ignored by the person charged with decision making.

Which, of course, wouldn't have been the case if said lawyer had recourse to the High Court because his advice was constitutionally enshrined.

You are thick and dishonest in equal measure. Plus inebriated.

Do you know anything about the relevance the High Court must give to speeches in Parliament on the second reading of a Bill?

FYI...the only reason I am engaging with you is to demonstrate to other readers how ignorant and ill-informed you are on this matter. I know that you will vote no, no matter what. I am hoping others might see, by your example, just how bigotry works.

You are too stupid and ignorant, arssie.

If the government ignores the Voice, then the Voice may have a direct pathway to the High Court BECAUSE the Voice would be in the Constitution. No government can regulate constitutionally established access to the High Court.
The High Court is the first port of call in matters of Constitutional interpretation, treaties, or an injunction sought against an officer of the Commonwealth such as the Prime Minister, or any other high-ranking government officer, elected or otherwise - see sections 75 and 76 of the Constitution.

Now stop being stupid.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: I'm Pretty Sure I Know How I'LL Be Voting. Reply #296 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:25pm It’s probably safer for Aussie (and all of Australia for that matter) if Aussie sticks to taxi cab driving.
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Reply #297 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:47pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:50pm:

It elevates the boong nowhere, you idiot.

I reckon you might benefit from this. A military bloke I know pretty well had a military lawyer give him advice on a matter. The bloke ignored the lawyer and the lawyer got all uppity.

The bloke told the lawyer that he was there to give advice....nothing else, especially decision making capacity.

The lawyer limped off as he had zero capacity other than to send smoke signals which might be ignored by the person charged with decision making.

Which, of course, wouldn't have been the case if said lawyer had recourse to the High Court because his advice was constitutionally enshrined.

You are thick and dishonest in equal measure. Plus inebriated.

Do you know anything about the relevance the High Court must give to speeches in Parliament on the second reading of a Bill?

FYI...the only reason I am engaging with you is to demonstrate to other readers how ignorant and ill-informed you are on this matter. I know that you will vote no, no matter what. I am hoping others might see, by your example, just how bigotry works.

You are too stupid and ignorant, arssie.

If the government ignores the Voice, then the Voice may have a direct pathway to the High Court BECAUSE the Voice would be in the Constitution. No government can regulate constitutionally established access to the High Court.
The High Court is the first port of call in matters of Constitutional interpretation, treaties, or an injunction sought against an officer of the Commonwealth such as the Prime Minister, or any other high-ranking government officer, elected or otherwise - see sections 75 and 76 of the Constitution.

Now stop being stupid.

You should stop pretending you have a clue. Any appeals to the high courts will have to consider intent. It is well documented that the intention is that this is an advisory body only, with the parliament of the day free to act or ignore any advice as it sees fit.

You're out of your depth sore end

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Reply #298 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:52pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 21^st, 2023 at 9:29pm:

I'll be the FIRST to admit that I'm not fully aware of EVERYTHING "the Indigenous Voice to Parliament" entails - but I know, beyond doubt, I'm more 'clued up' than most on the matter.

If you gave me a list of 20 regular Ozpolitics posters - I'd have no trouble in isolating the 'NO' voters
.

They'd be the ones with past form as Aboriginal bashers.
The right-wing deplorables.
The Albanese hate mongers.

I will not be following Dutton
's directive of a 'NO' to an Indigenous advisory representation
to our parliaments.

I will not be following Hanson
's obsesive hatred of indigenous Australians - following through backing a 'NO' vote to an Indigenous Advisory Voice
to our Federal Parliament.

I will not be falling into line with multi-millionaire Warren 'Uncle Tom' Mundine
, in his quest to have no other indigenous Australians share his power base and influence on Australian governments.

Nor will I be taking a lead from Lidia 'mad as a cut snake' Thorpe
on, well, ANYTHING

If I follow ANYONES lead, it will be the authors of the
Uluru Statement from the Heart

https://ulurustatemdev.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/UluruStatementfro...

As debate about the Voice continues, this pervasive myth about 'secret documents' continues to surface

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-16/fact-check-jacinta-nampijinpa-price-secre...

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Agree with what you said but I haven't research the detail yet myself, I imagine that providing the legislation actually does what they say I will vote for it.

Looking at the list of names from the potato, hanson, cut snake and Thomas it is difficult to imagine any chance that they could be right about much of anything.

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Reply #299 - Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:58pm

Professor Davis, a constitutional lawyer at the University of NSW, said individuals may decide to litigate particular matters related to the Voice in the High Court, “but you cannot prevent Australians from that access to review of decision-making”.

She said the Voice must be able to speak to both the parliament and the executive. Some critics of the draft constitutional amendment have hit out at the words “executive government”, saying its inclusion risks weakening the power of the Voice. Former High Court chief justice Robert French has argued there is little or no scope for constitutional litigation from the draft amendment.

“We do not want a hollowing out of the voice,” Professor Davis said. “The executive and in particular the bureaucracy make the bulk of decisions about First Nations peoples. The bulk of decisions are made through delegated legislation.”

She defended Mr Albanese’s approach to the Voice and pushed back on critics including Opposition Leader Peter Dutton demanding detail about the model.

“He’s not withholding detail, we are working on the detail. And we will release this detail in the next month or so when the referendum bill is stood up, and it goes to committee. That detail is forthcoming.“
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/high-court-to-keep-voice-within-limits-of-power-20230222-p5cmm4#:~:text=Professor%20Davis%2C%20a%20constitutional%20lawyer,review%20of%20decision%2Dmaking%E2%80%9D.

That was in Feb.

The Voice is justiciable in the High Court. That is why they want it in the Constitution, not merely in legislation, to be justicable by Australia's constitutional court.

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