Gnads wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 6:09pm:


So........Indians not related to TIB even call me Uncle.

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 6:37pm:


And there you have it.  Total ignorance of what The Voice is about.  Why do even enter this discussion when you are so appallingly ignorant on the matter?

JC Denton wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 6:16pm:



I'll chip in for a one way ticket so that you can realise your dreams

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 6:39pm:

The Voice is NOT about recognition.
The referendum has TWO prongs in a single Yes/No choice - that's why it is a sneaky piece of con. Recognition has bipartisan support and was first proposed by Howard.
The Voicw in an entirely different issue and has no bipartisan support. Sneaky Albo combined them into a single referendum question. If it was separated into two separate referendum question the recognition would pass overwhelmingly and the Voice would be voted down comprehensively. That is why sneaky Albo combined them into a single referendum question. Sneaky and stupid. Like you.

Btw, you are way too thick to have ever been a lawyer. You couldn't reason your way out of a wet paper bag.

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 7:37pm:

Sneaky and thick are correct.

Referendum question
The question to be put to the Australian people at the 2023 referendum will be:

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

Constitutional amendment
The proposed law that Australians are being asked to approve at the referendum would insert a new section into the Constitution:

"Chapter IX Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice

In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:

There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.”
The Voice design principles
The Prime Minister also released the principles of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. You can read the detailed design principles here.

In summary, these principles are:

The Voice will give independent advice to the Parliament and Government
The Voice will be chosen by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people based on the wishes of local communities
The Voice will be representative of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities, gender balanced and include youth
The Voice will be empowering, community-led, inclusive, respectful and culturally informed
The Voice will be accountable and transparent
The Voice will work alongside existing organisations and traditional structures
The Voice will not have a program delivery function
The Voice will not have a veto power.
These principles were developed by the First Nations Referendum Working Group and endorsed by the Australian Government.

If the proposed law is approved at the referendum, there will be a process with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities, the Parliament, and the broader public to settle the Voice design. Legislation to establish the Voice will then go through standard parliamentary processes to ensure adequate scrutiny by elected representatives in both houses of Parliament.

This really will be good!       I cannot wait.

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:11pm:


Abos have the vote like everyone else. They are equal. The Voice elevates them above everyone else.
Secondly, being an Abo is contested. Most of them are whiter than most Australians. Introducing race as a preferment is idiotic when it's not insidious.
To accept that Abos were here before 1788 is NOT the same as giving them (or rather their undemocratically selected whiter-than-thou activists) an additional say in how everyone's lives are governed. A woman with, say, a half Aboriginal grandmother has no special claim on Australian governments and institutions.

Race is at the heart of the Voice. But most Abos (3% of the population all up) are whiter than 25% of the population of Australia. An even larger proportion of the population has no British blood. And even those with British blood are not responsible for the 19th century.

Aborigines have more Voice already than any other segment of society. But no voice, no political body will be able to make Abos put the bottle down, look after their kids it es, stop clobber ou ng their wives and rape their nieces, etc, etc. There should be an Abiriginal Voice TO Aborigines that Aborigines would finally listen to and heed: stop drinking , stop acting like useless criminal scum, child abusers, layabouts, prison fodder, school dropouts and take responsibility for your own lives, FFS, like everyone else!!!

That's the Voice they need to hear. AND 80% of them heard and heeded it decades ago. It is that 80% that should be heard by the 20% of useless self-pitying bums.