Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 4:26pm:


In reality did it not occur to you that that ideal/utopia would still not be in existence today even if the Brits had not colonised the continent?

Your point is frivolous virtue signaling about the noble savage.

A woke wanker ex-shytser to boot.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:


I'd accept 'no' if it was for a reason other than whitey does not want to give even a mere token, a nod, a gesture or a handshake to the boong.  It's as simple as that.

Naked selfish bigotry and more suppression for the sake of naked selfish bigotry and suppression.

No manners.  Nothing. 

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 4:14pm:


That's the problem.  "We" have been imposing OUR expectations on those we dispossessed violently.

Did it not occur to you that they were perfectly content with their way of living and had no need to seek change?

I might as well toss you into a Court Room and have an expectation that you will know the Law as I do.

That makes as much sense as your point.

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:



Brave, fearless Arssie does as he is told by the government and Big Abo! Radical!

Brandis makes good points that are systematically ignored by the Yes side:

FIRST -  EVERY constitutional referendum, the burden of persuasion is on those wanting change.
But Albo, Arssie, Mothra, Bbwian et al have, in fact, reversed the onus – by insisting that the Voice is a self-evidently good thing, and by demanding that opponents or sceptics justify themselves. Scathing attacks on the No case are not just the opposite of the “respectful” debate Albo has said he wants; they are an insult to everyone who is not persuaded that the Voice is a good idea.
Burney is an unconvincing advocate at the best of times. As for Noel Pearson – is it any wonder that No campaigners are over the moon every time he opens his mouth? An angry, self-righteous proponent is never as persuasive as a courteous, methodical critic.

Second, quit the moral bullying. The wisdom of constitutional change is something about which reasonable people can differ. It is not about whose motives are purer or who is a better person. Burney captured the morally hectoring tone of the Yes campaign last week when she channelled not Clinton this time, but Michelle Obama: “When they go low, we go high.” People who are sceptical about the Voice are not taking the low road; they are merely exhibiting the same constitutional conservatism which has seen 36 of 44 referenda fail.

Third, at least pretend the debate is a level playing field.  If this is to be an authentic national debate, both sides must be heard. Yet so far, virtually all we have had from the political establishment and its surrogates in business, sporting organisations, public broadcasters, churches and NGOs has been advocacy for the Yes case. Does anyone who watches the ABC have any doubt that it is barracking for Yes (notwithstanding its charter obligation of political neutrality)? I suspect one of the very reasons support for Yes is sinking is because Australians don’t like having the establishment force its view down our throats. We are famously contrary whenever we are told by politicians and community “leaders” what we ought to think.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/yes-campaign-s-in-deplorable-territory-these-seven-ideas-can-save-it-20230621-p5di91.html

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 11:11am:


There is no burden either way.  People will listen to whatever is argued (or not) and decide.

The yes case is what I have been posting.  The no case is hysterical baseless fearmongering mixed with absolute dishonest garbage and rubbish.

I maintain that those who vote no are being selfsh and do not want to see the black fella get anything not even a token recognition for the fact that they were violently dispossessed by a democracy they had no say in, and were denied a say in for SIX DECADES after Australia became a Nation in 1901.  Further, it was not until 1984 that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people were finally treated like other voters and required to enrol and vote in elections.

By then, they were well and truly fuqqed over by whitey.

I can imagine that those who have posted their 'no vote' here would have been advocating that the black fella NOT be given that right to vote back in the early 60s, yes, Sore End.

60,000 years of indigenous presence in Australia. In all that time, they have not built an advanced society, made a mass transportation system, cities, extensive medical knowledge, a means of storing food, structures, advanced musical compositions, etc.

Meanwhile, the Britons, with 12,000 years of human civilisation, have done all those advancements and more -- much of it in the last 300 years.