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Reply #135 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 8:40am

Frank wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 10:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 2:31pm:

So....come on all you scaredy cats, while I'm in the mood....tell me what you are so afraid off. Spit it out, but expect spit coming back.

This "what are you afraid of" tack, employed about the Voice, trannies, gays etc, is a piss weak idiotic ruse by the likes of you, Arssie.

The Voice is stupid, racist and a deliberate lie: it will change nothing, like ATSIC and the land councils and Aboriginal ministries have changed nothing.
It would be as corrupt as ATSIC and the existing tribal, clannish bodies. It is a stupid lie that Aborigines could or would have a Voice, as if they were like North Korea or Cuba.
No. They are hundreds of tribes and clans, most of them with additional cultural, racial, tribal admixtures.

The constitution is too important to sacrifice it to some corrupt, racist body. So never mind the "afraid" bollocks, Arsie, tell us what is the good of it.

It is good that we provide recognition to those people we totally dispossessed, violently.

Tell me how it will change the taste of your breakfast in the morning.

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Reply #136 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 8:41am

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 3:07am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:29pm:

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Yiss yiss, yiss, Effendi....you have said "It is racist, pointless, and dangerous."

I don't give a flying fuq if it is racist, or pointless.

Yes you do Aussie. It's the pointlessness that makes you want to support it. It's what you stand for.

Tell me about the dangerous bit, Effendi...or I'll claim victory again.

That would be making pointless changes to the constitution.

Racist - check
Pointless - check
Dangerous - check
Aussie tick of approval - check

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:32pm:

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White people don't get special treatment based on their race just because they can point to other white people from generations back

Who are you kidding? The only difference is that white man doesn't usually have to wait for generations for their 'compensation '.

How much compensation did the Irish get?

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:33pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:28pm:

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It wasn't their law fd. It was forced upon them without even their consultation

It is everyone's law John, and everyone has an equal vote on it. Historical injustice is a feeble excuse for your racism.

It is now. And you cry every time they use it to their advantage. Not that you're racist ehh fd.

It has always been a feeble excuse for your racism John. The law should not be used for one particular racial group's advantage. Because it is racist.

You are still to tell us in great detail (or any in fact) how it is dangerous.

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Reply #137 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 8:54am

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 8:40am:

Frank wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 10:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 2:31pm:

So....come on all you scaredy cats, while I'm in the mood....tell me what you are so afraid off. Spit it out, but expect spit coming back.

This "what are you afraid of" tack, employed about the Voice, trannies, gays etc, is a piss weak idiotic ruse by the likes of you, Arssie.

The Voice is stupid, racist and a deliberate lie: it will change nothing, like ATSIC and the land councils and Aboriginal ministries have changed nothing.
It would be as corrupt as ATSIC and the existing tribal, clannish bodies. It is a stupid lie that Aborigines could or would have a Voice, as if they were like North Korea or Cuba.
No. They are hundreds of tribes and clans, most of them with additional cultural, racial, tribal admixtures.

The constitution is too important to sacrifice it to some corrupt, racist body. So never mind the "afraid" bollocks, Arsie, tell us what is the good of it.

It is good that we provide recognition to those people we totally dispossessed, violently.

Tell me how it will change the taste of your breakfast in the morning.

They are FAR MORE recognised than ANY other group. The list is practically endless.

Structures and organisations
Australian Government - National Indigenous representative bodies - National Congress - Land Councils - Other
organisations

http://www.workingwithindigenousaustralians.info/content/Present_2_Structures.ht...

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Reply #138 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 8:57am

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 8:41am:

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 3:07am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:29pm:

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Yiss yiss, yiss, Effendi....you have said "It is racist, pointless, and dangerous."

I don't give a flying fuq if it is racist, or pointless.

Yes you do Aussie. It's the pointlessness that makes you want to support it. It's what you stand for.

Tell me about the dangerous bit, Effendi...or I'll claim victory again.

That would be making pointless changes to the constitution.

Racist - check
Pointless - check
Dangerous - check
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John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:32pm:

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White people don't get special treatment based on their race just because they can point to other white people from generations back

Who are you kidding? The only difference is that white man doesn't usually have to wait for generations for their 'compensation '.

How much compensation did the Irish get?

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:33pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 9:28pm:

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It wasn't their law fd. It was forced upon them without even their consultation

It is everyone's law John, and everyone has an equal vote on it. Historical injustice is a feeble excuse for your racism.

It is now. And you cry every time they use it to their advantage. Not that you're racist ehh fd.

It has always been a feeble excuse for your racism John. The law should not be used for one particular racial group's advantage. Because it is racist.

You are still to tell us in great detail (or any in fact) how it is dangerous.

You won't have details until afterwards Aussie. That's the nature of risk.

I couldn't quite figure out from your previous posts. Were you promoting the pointlessness of the referendum as an excuse for supporting it, or do you actually see it as an advantage?

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Reply #139 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 9:05am

Aussie! I’ve just finished reading back! Dear God WTF is wrong with you? Give it a rest with your meaningless mutterings masquerading as sincerity!

You’ve spent the better part of the freaking weekend ONLINE asking the same questions WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED ffs!

IF I continue to detect the same strain of next level dementia in you which Dumbarse Drunk incessantly exemplifies in ALL his online mutterings OR any symptom mimicking the drug fried syndrome Five Foot Five Frodo is afflicted with .... I SWEAR BY ALMIGHTY GOD you will dread the day YOU PMed me to invite me to join up/post over at PA.

This SERIOUS discussion is off limits to your pitiful agenda of attempting to import old tit for tat sessions with both Freediver and Setanta and don’t you dare sit there pretending that this isn’t just that!

And one other thing ... you’re sitting there trying to outsmart Freediver and/or Setanta and right now it’s your incessant brutal obstinate pride which prevents you from admitting that both Freediver AND Setanta individually AND collectively run rings around you!

Now .... the issues wrt to voting YES have been outlined. Several times. Now your sore arse WAS pwned. LET IT GO! You have lost this round! You won’t though. Instead you’re fast becoming the annoying Donald Trump of OzPol who just can’t let it go and just accept losing!

Edit : Apologies to all others but it’s like I’ve walked into some bizarre online Romper Room type topic ☹️😐

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Reply #140 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 11:07am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 9:05am:

Aussie! I’ve just finished reading back! Dear God WTF is wrong with you? Give it a rest with your meaningless mutterings masquerading as sincerity!

You’ve spent the better part of the freaking weekend ONLINE asking the same questions WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED ffs!

IF I continue to detect the same strain of next level dementia in you which Dumbarse Drunk incessantly exemplifies in ALL his online mutterings OR any symptom mimicking the drug fried syndrome Five Foot Five Frodo is afflicted with .... I SWEAR BY ALMIGHTY GOD you will dread the day YOU PMed me to invite me to join up/post over at PA.

This SERIOUS discussion is off limits to your pitiful agenda of attempting to import old tit for tat sessions with both Freediver and Setanta and don’t you dare sit there pretending that this isn’t just that!

And one other thing ... you’re sitting there trying to outsmart Freediver and/or Setanta and right now it’s your incessant brutal obstinate pride which prevents you from admitting that both Freediver AND Setanta individually AND collectively run rings around you!

Now .... the issues wrt to voting YES have been outlined. Several times. Now your sore arse WAS pwned. LET IT GO! You have lost this round! You won’t though. Instead you’re fast becoming the annoying Donald Trump of OzPol who just can’t let it go and just accept losing!

Edit : Apologies to all others but it’s like I’ve walked into some bizarre online Romper Room type topic ☹️😐

Really?

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Reply #141 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 11:10am

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You won't have details until afterwards Aussie. That's the nature of risk.

You have been told the full story. The Voice is merely advisory and has no power whatsoever.

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I couldn't quite figure out from your previous posts. Were you promoting the pointlessness of the referendum as an excuse for supporting it, or do you actually see it as an advantage?

Its point is that it provides a token recognition etc.

Still, no details on this bullshit about danger. Problem explaining your crap, Effendi?

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Reply #143 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 12:18pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 6:28pm:

We oppose it because it is racist, pointless, and dangerous.

Yet your survival of the fittest classical Liberal "natural individual "rights" " delusion is infinitely more destructive in human affairs. Only law can define 'Rights".

You of course bang on about what Mao did in China 60 years ago, in a desperate attempt to avoid looking at what is happening in our own communities today, eg with a disgraceful increase in homelessness, in favour of the interests of private landlords.

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Reply #144 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 12:19pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 12:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 6:28pm:

We oppose it because it is racist, pointless, and dangerous.

Yet your survival of the fittest classical Liberal "natural individual "rights" " delusion is infinitely more destructive in human affairs. Only law can define 'Rights".

You of course bang on about what Mao did in China 60 years ago, in a desperate attempt to avoid looking at what is happening in our own communities today, eg with a disgraceful increase in homelessness, in favour of the interests of private landlords.

The CCP starved to death roughly double Australia's current population. By then the folly of communism was already well understood, so they can't really blame ignorance.

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Reply #145 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 12:41pm

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

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Its point is that it provides a token recognition etc.

So is the fact that it is merely a "token" an excuse for why you support it, or do you actually see that as a positive?

Yes Effendi, I see that as a positive. So do the boongs who proposed it.

Will you ever tell us about the danger?

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Reply #146 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 1:34pm

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 12:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 12:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 6:28pm:

We oppose it because it is racist, pointless, and dangerous.

Yet your survival of the fittest classical Liberal "natural individual "rights" " delusion is infinitely more destructive in human affairs. Only law can define 'Rights".

You of course bang on about what Mao did in China 60 years ago, in a desperate attempt to avoid looking at what is happening in our own communities today, eg with a disgraceful increase in homelessness, in favour of the interests of private landlords.

The CCP starved to death roughly double Australia's current population. By then the folly of communism was already well understood, so they can't really blame ignorance.

...proving the blind "individual rights" ideologue cannot debate logically.

Today we are NOT talking about Stalinist communism which Mao might have been following; in today's free market China Xi is the only leader in the world who has reaffirmed the necessity to achieve "common prosperity".

While the wealthiest "free market" economy in the world is disgracing itself with the tents of the homeless in city streets.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ve...

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Reply #147 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 1:39pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

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Its point is that it provides a token recognition etc.

So is the fact that it is merely a "token" an excuse for why you support it, or do you actually see that as a positive?

Yes Effendi, I see that as a positive. So do the boongs who proposed it.

Will you ever tell us about the danger?

I already did Aussie. Not sure why you couldn't see it.

Do you think it is silly to promote the pointlessness of a constitutional amendment as an advantage?

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Today we are NOT talking about Stalinist communism

We talk about it regularly. I find your efforts to defend the CCP's killing of 50 million people with their lies and incompetence rather alarming.

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Reply #148 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 1:50pm

You call this one line exact details of this alleged non-existent danger?

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You won't have details until afterwards Aussie. That's the nature of risk.

I am not promoting pointlessness. I am debunking the bullshit you and your mates like Jones, Boris and Frank are trying to scare people with.

It is tokenism, a nod, a gesture, a hand shake well over due.

But, you go cower under the bed and tremble with fear of the big bad black boogieman, Effendi. You seem most comfortable there.

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Reply #149 - Jun 25^th, 2023 at 2:53pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 1:50pm:

You call this one line exact details of this alleged non-existent danger?

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You won't have details until afterwards Aussie. That's the nature of risk.

I am not promoting pointlessness. I am debunking the bullshit you and your mates like Jones, Boris and Frank are trying to scare people with.

It is tokenism, a nod, a gesture, a hand shake well over due.

But, you go cower under the bed and tremble with fear of the big bad black boogieman, Effendi. You seem most comfortable there.

The Constitution is NOT a place for tokens, nods and gestures.

The arguments for Yes are like the argument for wheelchairs for fat, lazy-yet-arrogant blobs:
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1671491811196702721

Aboriginal lives blighted by Aboriginal drunkenness, Aboriginal violence, Aboriginal child neglect, Aboriginal delinquency, Aboriginal obesity and I'll hug health due to bad Aborigibal diet and life choices will improve only when Abirigines change and improve their own lives. Nobody else can make them. A Voice certainly couldn't.

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